Dear Gameforge,
May I ask, why did you have to put a title with stats on a lootbox? I don't want to be rude or anything, but don't you think that's a bit unfair for the free players? If it was just cosmetic, sure, it would be fine, but having stats in it? I always debated people on how your version wasn't pay 2 win, but this just seems a kick in the pants for all those people that actually believed it.
The new Lootbox Title
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I mean this version is literally being milked to the fullest by Gameforge, if people are too blind to see that then I genuinely pity you. I wish I could say more but sadly I'll be banned for 'illegal content'
I dunno I play games to have fun, not to be blatantly milked by a greedy company that has no intention of listening to community feedback on Microtransactions.
You people probably won't do it but I suggest you either boycott microtransactions or Gameforge titles in general, either way you won't, so enjoy being sheep -
Stats on title?
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other than the orange colour, the stats are not that impressive
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You can get higher stats with free titles. I wouldn't say it reached a Pay2win threshold tbh.
I will still say this game is far from pay2win. And not that it matters since its a PVE game, although it could be annoying to see.
On the other side of the spectrum, a game doesn't need to be p2w to annoy the playerbase.
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You can get higher stats with free titles. I wouldn't say it reached a Pay2win threshold tbh.
I will still say this game is far from pay2win. And not that it matters since its a PVE game, although it could be annoying to see.
On the other side of the spectrum, a game doesn't need to be p2w to annoy the playerbase.
Far from p2w? xd
You can litterely buy anything in the game for real money, exept primal gear, but it's not hard to just get full set with random stats, then you can roll it with EC(which you can buy for real money)
Also VIPs, that allows you to play more than other people.
Game is PVE, but it's still an mmo, people are always comparing the gear and trying to be the best (not all of them ofc) -
Well pay TO win would imply that you need to.. well pay to win. But as far as I can tell, you can get the best stuff without paying a dime. SO I disagree.
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Well pay TO win would imply that you need to.. well pay to win. But as far as I can tell, you can get the best stuff without paying a dime. SO I disagree.
You can get the best stuff without paying, if you grind for hundreds of hours, or you can just pay money and get it easy, this is what called pay2win.
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Well pay TO win would imply that you need to.. well pay to win. But as far as I can tell, you can get the best stuff without paying a dime. SO I disagree.
You can get the best stuff without paying, if you grind for hundreds of hours, or you can just pay money and get it easy, this is what called pay2win.
I'll admit it is grindy, but pay2win, for me would mean there is an advantage to the players paying. At the ultimate end, everyone can get the same stuff, so there is no ultimate advantage.
That's the whole point of the win part. That you NEED TO PAY TO WIN. But if you can win WITHOUT paying, then it really isn't pay2win.
If getting something quicker is pay2win, then every game with subscription for faster EXP and money gain would be pay2win. Earn more money=buy better gears. That makes EVERYTHING BUT COSMETIC pay2win. So no, I disagree.
The grind for good stat roll is frustrating. That should be made easier, but farming gears being too grindy=/=pay2win.
If you want to discuss what is considered a reasonable amount of time, then sure.
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Well pay TO win would imply that you need to.. well pay to win. But as far as I can tell, you can get the best stuff without paying a dime. SO I disagree.
You can get the best stuff without paying, if you grind for hundreds of hours, or you can just pay money and get it easy, this is what called pay2win.
I'll admit it is grindy, but pay2win, for me would mean there is an advantage to the players paying. At the ultimate end, everyone can get the same stuff, so there is no ultimate advantage.
That's the whole point of the win part. That you NEED TO PAY TO WIN. But if you can win WITHOUT paying, then it really isn't pay2win.
If getting something quicker is pay2win, then every game with subscription for faster EXP and money gain would be pay2win. Earn more money=buy better gears. That makes EVERYTHING BUT COSMETIC pay2win. So no, I disagree.
The grind for good stat roll is frustrating. That should be made easier, but farming gears being too grindy=/=pay2win.
If you want to discuss what is considered a reasonable amount of time, then sure.
Yes, one day(probably) i will get hidden Rita and enough 4 star cards to level it up, when someone can just buy 4star akasha transmiters and get it easy.
I opened more than 400 akasha transmiters, i have only two 4 srats cards... 542h played...
Think now, how much do i have to play, to get Rita and lvl it up to the max (or hidden big plastica XD)
I'm not even gonna say anything about brooches.
You seriously saying, that there is not adventege for them who is paying? like...rly?
At the ultimate end
This ultimate end is gonna be at 1500-2000h, for player who didnd pay, and to get everything you need, you have to farm rucco hundreds of times. (which is just a little bit boring..kappa)
everyone can get the same stuff
Not even sure, if you can get +9 primal weapon without playing... maybe if you will farm everyday for like 150-200 days..maybe..
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when someone can just buy 4star akasha transmiters and get it easy. Where exactly would they buy it ? Cause there is no way you can directly buy them. RNG from the grutin wheel, but you can roll it 1.000 times and never get those too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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everyone can get the same stuff => 100% agree
Not even sure, if you can get +9 primal weapon without playing... maybe if you will farm everyday for like 150-200 days..maybe.. => If you're lucky enough, you can. A guild mate got +8 and +9 in about 10 tries. And another french player OS +8 and +9.
you have to consider that there is a difference between Pay 2 Win and Pay 2 Fast.
Some one that pays might get everything faster, but he will eventually get bored of the game (that's another topic).
Everything in SoulWorker is farmable, even brooches. Ok it is a true pain in the *ss, but you can fully farm them for free. -
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when someone can just buy 4star akasha transmiters and get it easy. Where exactly would they buy it ? Cause there is no way you can directly buy them. RNG from the grutin wheel, but you can roll it 1.000 times and never get those too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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everyone can get the same stuff => 100% agree
Not even sure, if you can get +9 primal weapon without playing... maybe if you will farm everyday for like 150-200 days..maybe.. => If you're lucky enough, you can. A guild mate got +8 and +9 in about 10 tries. And another french player OS +8 and +9.
you have to consider that there is a difference between Pay 2 Win and Pay 2 Fast.
Some one that pays might get everything faster, but he will eventually get bored of the game (that's another topic).
Everything in SoulWorker is farmable, even brooches. Ok it is a true pain in the *ss, but you can fully farm them for free.FoT brooches too? Yeah, you probably can buy them for someone if you get lucky, but how much fortress crit brooch worth? 50b? 100b?
You guys dont understand what pay2win means... just look at some real free 2 play games, like Path of Exile or dota 2, you will see the difference.
I am not saying that SW is completely p2w(i wouldn't play it then), but it is pay2win clearly, if you can buy game currency for real money, then there is nothing to talk about. -
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when someone can just buy 4star akasha transmiters and get it easy. Where exactly would they buy it ? Cause there is no way you can directly buy them. RNG from the grutin wheel, but you can roll it 1.000 times and never get those too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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everyone can get the same stuff => 100% agree
Not even sure, if you can get +9 primal weapon without playing... maybe if you will farm everyday for like 150-200 days..maybe.. => If you're lucky enough, you can. A guild mate got +8 and +9 in about 10 tries. And another french player OS +8 and +9.
you have to consider that there is a difference between Pay 2 Win and Pay 2 Fast.
Some one that pays might get everything faster, but he will eventually get bored of the game (that's another topic).
Everything in SoulWorker is farmable, even brooches. Ok it is a true pain in the *ss, but you can fully farm them for free.FoT brooches too? Yeah, you probably can buy them for someone if you get lucky, but how much fortress crit brooch worth? 50b? 100b?
You guys dont understand what pay2win means... just look at some real free 2 play games, like Path of Exile or dota 2, you will see the difference.
I am not saying that SW is completely p2w(i wouldn't play it then), but it is pay2win clearly, if you can buy game currency for real money, there is nothing to talk about.So then is premium membership considered pay to win for you?
I understand what p2w means. I never seen it used for speeding up the grind until the past few years. p2w had always been something unachievable giving paying players an advantage and that is what i will go by.
Regardless, p2w is semantics, we each perceive it differently. But we can all agree that grinding the gears is tedious and should be made easier.
One may argue that the absolute best gear SHOULD be hard. But I think the problem is there isn't sufficient alternatives or intermediate gears that people can settle with. Shion and Aurith is completely outclassed against Primal, but the grind to jump from one level to the next is massive.
A gear in between that is still competitive with Primal, but still not as good would be ideal. Maybe this can drop in Primal too but at a higher rate. This will give some satisfaction to those that are grinding. Kind of like a intermediate reward while they grind for their main goal.
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when someone can just buy 4star akasha transmiters and get it easy. Where exactly would they buy it ? Cause there is no way you can directly buy them. RNG from the grutin wheel, but you can roll it 1.000 times and never get those too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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everyone can get the same stuff => 100% agree
Not even sure, if you can get +9 primal weapon without playing... maybe if you will farm everyday for like 150-200 days..maybe.. => If you're lucky enough, you can. A guild mate got +8 and +9 in about 10 tries. And another french player OS +8 and +9.
you have to consider that there is a difference between Pay 2 Win and Pay 2 Fast.
Some one that pays might get everything faster, but he will eventually get bored of the game (that's another topic).
Everything in SoulWorker is farmable, even brooches. Ok it is a true pain in the *ss, but you can fully farm them for free.FoT brooches too? Yeah, you probably can buy them for someone if you get lucky, but how much fortress crit brooch worth? 50b? 100b?
You guys dont understand what pay2win means... just look at some real free 2 play games, like Path of Exile or dota 2, you will see the difference.
I am not saying that SW is completely p2w(i wouldn't play it then), but it is pay2win clearly, if you can buy game currency for real money, there is nothing to talk about.So then is premium membership considered pay to win for you?
I understand what p2w means. I never seen it used for speeding up the grind until the past few years. p2w had always been something unachievable giving paying players an advantage and that is what i will go by.
Regardless, p2w is semantics, we each perceive it differently. But we can all agree that grinding the gears is tedious and should be made easier.
One may argue that the absolute best gear SHOULD be hard. But I think the problem is there isn't sufficient alternatives or intermediate gears that people can settle with. Shion and Aurith is completely outclassed against Primal, but the grind to jump from one level to the next is massive.
A gear in between that is still competitive with Primal, but still not as good would be ideal. Maybe this can drop in Primal too but at a higher rate. This will give some satisfaction to those that are grinding. Kind of like a intermediate reward while they grind for their main goal.
Vip membership is pay2play in soulWorker xD
You not just speeding up your progress if you pay, you can get everything in 1 click... I saw a dude, who was buying DZ for SC just for fun, he wanted to get 100b... do i need to say, how this affect already very poor economy?
I dont think its only about that we missing some gear between aurith and primal, this game needs more content and items overall, also craft is very boring. -
Went you need to spend 10 years to reach the gear of a men who spend 100$ is a P2F ?
You are realy funny
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lol~ i wish can just pay2win my weapon to +8 or +9. I used 150 attempt on my primal weapon, and it's still +7. While my friend that just started the game, i bring him through primal and he finally got his weapon. less than 25 attempt, he got to +8.
This game is like pay2convenience, if you pay u dont have to alt farm and you save time. But at the end doesn't matter if u pay or not, it's still up to RNG. Yes, if u put it in competitive, pay user is consider as p2w, bcoz if u guys compete on fastest clear time, team with full stacked gears, brooch, and akasha will definitely win. If CONTENT even release that fast.
This game content release so slow that when primal out, i know a few of my friends that is completely free2play, got their hidden Rita, Hidden BP to level 2 almost 3, and brooch all Giga. and can cleared all dungeon fast.
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lol~ i wish can just pay2win my weapon to +8 or +9.
I mean... you can, just go and buy hundreds(maybe thousands) of anti-destructions and strength expansion tickets, also sell SC to buy wucs, and go on.
This game is like pay2convenience
Yeah, it's not really convenient to farm rucco town every day for half a year, if you want to get +9 XD
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lol~ i wish can just pay2win my weapon to +8 or +9.
I mean... you can, just go and buy hundreds(maybe thousands) of anti-destructions and strength expansion tickets, also sell SC to buy wucs, and go on.
This game is like pay2convenience
Yeah, it's not really convenient to farm rucco town every day for half a year, if you want to get +9 XD
Well but buying with real life money, that sometimes is so not worth it. Like at the end i guess it's up to player really, they wanna grind in real life or grind in game. lol, they both consumed time, just have to compare between two and see which one is more efficient.
But not everyone willing to grind in real life, then some grind in game for what they want and they enjoy the process. But some dont wanna grind in real life or in game, idk they will just complain i guess? or just has an excuse for their own laziness.
At the end of the day, all i can say is most MMORPG is gonna be P2W, whether it's p2progress, p2convenience, p2w. Because that's the way MMORPG makes money, Cosmetic stuff just a one time thing, company not gonna able to paid every employee every month by just having cosmetic. So player that can't deal with p2progress, p2convenience, or p2w, i think there is other option like MOBA, FPS, etc. game that completely no p2w aspect at all.
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Cosmetic stuff just a one time thing, company not gonna able to paid every employee every month by just having cosmetic.
There is company that can do that, if game actually good, not p2w, have good cosmetics, ppl will support it.
At the end of the day, all i can say is most MMORPG is gonna be P2W
Yes, and this is sad.
i think there is other option like MOBA, FPS, etc. game that completely no p2w aspect at all.
What's so different about mmo, so it has to be p2w?
Games are games, real life is real life, i can support the game, if it's actually good, but i dont want to buy progress, and i dont want to see, that people around me can just get everything in one click, when i'm spending hundreds of hours grinding for this.
Also funny thing, that games with this donation system will never be popular/succseseful(most of them), but i guess developers is ok with this, as far as the game makes a profit.
sorry for my bad english :C
