Was this changes necessary to Stella?

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    Why this update destroy all Stella's support skills?

    With this now will be even more harder to find a party...


    And sorry, but now with that face she looks horrible, not cute...

    What are you writing here?

    "Why this update destroy all Stella's support skills" ? explain this pls.


    Stella got a buff and nothing got destroyed.. holy shit.. you still heal more then enough to keep your Party alive.

    btw is Stella not a pure Support class..

    70% ->50% hp heal

    20%->15% sf regen

    This is a buff? NICE!


    N.3 skill: Give no more +% def. Soulplus changed in +mov. speed (Was alredy hard follow people runnig like mad for their life and heal them, now if one shot will hit the ally [And usually never happen because poeple run away even by healing] all other shot will miss because that man will run even more faster).

    N.6 skill: Suolplus changed in to a substitution that REDUCE the damage: +50% attack>>+15% crit because +50% attack= 100% crit for a 150% damage of you're attack and is STACKABLE with you're crit dmg when crit. So this soulplus is a waste of skills point even more the previus version.


    And what we get? Vortex dance hitbox now is even more bugged thanks the movement speed "buff", unecessary "Mobile sonic impulse" (how this can help? Where i have to go while my enemy is paralise? And if is a boss, he just reach me, so i still have to cancel-dodge like ealrier, and this thing is even worst, because now i can go on enemy skill hitbox easier for mistake), useless bass wave new mechanic (everyone use soulcry first to use bass wave, so, where my opponent can go if he can't move?)

    Showtime base issue still here, even with this "healing buff": You run/dodge/attack? Well, you and you teammate get NOTHING! Not buff, not heal (that it is 6k heal, wow an amazing number where everyone will have around 80k hp...).


    Maybe i exagereted about bass wave, but i'm sure that i'm not mistaken about all other skills.


    Last thing: There are alredy 5 dmg dealer classes on 6, and another will be added, is that necessary to change that last one in to a dmg dealer too removing her suppor utility?

    This update didn't technically destroy "all" of Stella's "support" skills, for the support side...

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    But if you are referring to "S1-12.pngRhythm Keeper = 'all' " as a figure of speech, then maybe I could see your point, Stella is unique for being the only support class that could heal party members after all.


    For those that aren't that familiar with Stella's S1-12.pngRhythm Keeper,

    Rhythm Keeper


    In this balancing, that very skill in "Support mode" had its healing nurfed from 70% to 50% in compensation for a move speed buff.

    Again, "20% of Max HP heal has been sacrificed for a move speed buff :DDDDDD" ...is probably what you are trying to point out.


    Well...it may look bad but it's not THAT bad, I mean, aside from a buff that is useless in some cases, that skill does not heal by a fixed amount, but by a % depending on you and your allies's Max HP. Therefore, the amount of HP that you and you allies receive all depends on you and their Max HP.


    Meaning, in an answer to your 2nd question, why would anyone banish a Stella that does a proper job just because a class balancing nurfed one of her unique healing skills by 20% while the real reason for their death/inefficiency is only that they don't have/neglect having good Max HP or they are just too dependent on a Stella that they totally've forgotten that they could "dodge" in this game...or both... o.o


    And I know that you are referring to "support mode" skills, but, Also, it is really worth mentioning that some other skills in general got some really good changes/QoL improvements (like how you could change directions while casting Icon_Howling_Skill_BassAttack.pngBass Wave now, in which I doubt that you got any qualms about that). So , were these changes necessary to Stella? Definitely.


    All in all, who knows what the future balances would bring to Stella, but for now...all I'm going to tell you is to...


    "The Perfect Solution"

    An interesting thought is how Stella could potentially crit buff like Lilly and move speed buff like Erwin...kinda :S

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    So, why all stella's support skill

    Ok, if you say so...

    70% ->50% hp heal but added a buff, useless for pve but strong for pvp.

    20%->15% sf regen but added 15% attack speed, have you tried to use bass wave after gain that buff?

    Ok, %dif? There was a +250 defense before, now it's a 10% move speed, it's not a big deal if you lost 250 defense on 26k+

    +50% attack?When? There was a +450 attack before and the charge time is now lower.

    For sonic pulse, you know that if you use soulcry during sonic pulse you can heal yourself? If a boss is far away from you you can reach him and heal yourself.

    Sorry for my bad english.

    Ohhh... NICE, even more mov. speed... nice sh... thing...


    For you're information people die for mov. speed cause sync bug, because they get hitted by multiple things at the same time in different places... think why people still dieing from primal breath behind rock, and this is just an example. For not speak (again) about how many hard is to heal people faster than you're healing skills.


    If the skill didn't give +% def, the soulplus wasn't a +X def, so previusly there was a +% def, and i remember that.


    The actual soulplus make the red ball worst, than better, so atually the +X atk was better and this is a waste of skill point.


    If during sonic impuse, you heal casting soulcry, or you hack the game, or is a bug, because i never get healed by that "Combo", even after this "patch".

    And about reach boss, is the last of my problem, i'm alwais tanking the boss.


    For complete the thing, the sf buff nerf: i never had problem to regen sf (a lot of times i even over regen it), i never get out of sf, but all the people that i played with, yes, even after soulcry sf regen+erwin sf regen buff. So is not for me, but for my allies, that actually noone take care to support teammates.

    The best "buff" that GF has done.


    At last, I can dedicate myself to hitting and giving "buff" as God intended, not only to heal and give SF, so that no one spends potions.


    I'm sorry, for my translator's English. :'v

    "Esbirros, sirvientes, soldados de la fria oscuridad , ¡obedeced la llamada de Kel'Thuzad!"


    AltairLoliew (Stella lv65)

    Hestiaewe (Chii lv65)

    Alicetariaew (Haru lv65)

    Maganeewe (Lily lv65)

    Yonaewe (Iris lv65)


    YouTube: AltairLoliew


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    If you have problem to do both, start to build cooldown: you will see how many more usefull you can be.

    With that i do both at the same time (and i can tank too): 20 sec bass wave, 20 sec rithm, 7,5 sec howling, 12 sec red balls, "1" sec vortex dance (if full casted), 20 sec cynetic, 15 sec soulcry... i have to continue?


    On more, how you think to heal better, if all stella heals get nerfed and/or harder to "land"?

    Quote from Strike Energy

    If you have problem to do both, start to build cooldown: you will see how many more usefull you can be.

    With that i do both at the same time (and i can tank too): 20 sec bass wave, 20 sec rithm, 7,5 sec howling, 12 sec red balls, "1" sec vortex dance (if full casted), 20 sec cynetic, 15 sec soulcry... i have to continue?


    On more, how you think to heal better, if all stella heals get nerfed and/or harder to "land"?

    Still enough heal to keep your Group alive.

    I can't tell why you are so angry.. i play Stella since the first Day of the Beta and i love the changes, the Players i play with don't want a "Support" Stella they want Dmg so you can run faster Raids and Dungeons.


    "With that i do both at the same time (and i can tank too)"

    well, can you do dmg too?

    It feels like you just want to heal and do nothing else?

    For you 20 sec bass wave is no dmg?


    I don't need 50% crit chance, when I DO 20 crit in a row with 1%... (And i can still crit Yoraska enough times for a barely 9%)


    And there are a reason if (previusly) my guild call me for tank on primal and go core, even without aurith/primal wepon (and I have aurith, i got 3 primal weapon, 2 with tags and 1 with 4 lines and "hard" aov weapon, but i still keeping my "traveller" weapon +7, and still clean dungeons in 5 min).

    Now, even with 20 sec rithm, people die during core and final phase primal (if trying to rush, and now we can't do it anymore, now we need the buff).


    Overkill and mov. speed don't make dungeons clean faster.


    I hope that i give you an idea why this chages is totally wrong.

    I can't agree with you, i think im done here.


    For me it's a good change, i do a lot more dmg with my Stella now and have still enough Heal to heal my self up to max. hp. also the solo manic aov runs are now way more easy with the Buff.


    I dont have the problem that my Guild needs a support Stella.. maybe it's because of that, that i can't agree with you.

    Oh, this is why it's harder to find a party for you, you are an all support stella.

    I use stella even before the open beta and i can tank primal even with 5k def, i had a devourer set before (29% crit and 21k dmg crit) and now with the viilor's set i can deal much more dps (56% crit and 17k crit dmg) but if you say that crit% is useless i trust you, so the viilor's set is useless and you know the game better than who create it.

    For sonic pulse and soulcry, it's a skill combo, you need to use soulcry DURING sonic pulse and before it's end in support mode.

    Oh, i forgot, i don't have a problem to find a party, if i apply i'll be added.

    If you have trouble finding a party ... improve your set, sry bro.

    "Esbirros, sirvientes, soldados de la fria oscuridad , ¡obedeced la llamada de Kel'Thuzad!"


    AltairLoliew (Stella lv65)

    Hestiaewe (Chii lv65)

    Alicetariaew (Haru lv65)

    Maganeewe (Lily lv65)

    Yonaewe (Iris lv65)


    YouTube: AltairLoliew


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    A veil of smoke on your eyes...


    I the real, I'M done here: explain is useless to people that have "protagonism" serius problems, and this will be my last post about this.

    One day you will regret this chenges.


    People like you (player that play by the start of the beta) still die on gc because they think that supp is not necessary or "50% heal is enough".

    Think what you want, but developers is just kind to give the game these easy boss mechanics.


    About sonic impulse+soulcry: i still no healing, even casting previusly/during/after skill (while under 50% max hp to be sure to see healing), so probably or you hack seriusly the game, or i'm bugged. Maybe the second, but this show that the changes is not same for all.

    I never said that viilor is useless, actually i'm trying to build it, i said that the damage that i have is enogh.


    I can't improve my equipment anymore now, your idea is totally maked on paper castles.


    Ah, this is not about gameplay, but still important: i can't see stella face anymore, she look like a baby with a stupidier face.


    Jesus, you sound so stupid right now.

    Oh no, i forget something: nothing bad.


    Can someone than explain me the meaning of support? Is someone that deal damage and have sustain? No. Is somoeno that deal damage and buff? No. Is someone that heal and buff. What is a support that can't heal decently? You want damage and sustain? Play LIly. You want to deal damage and be ranged? Play Erwin or Iris. You want to deal damage and buff team? Play Jin or Haru. You wan to heal and buff team? Alt! Here there are none!


    Stella now is a crossover of Erwin and lily, an "Ranged with sustain".


    In fact no one say that howling has been buffed or nerfed: that skill don't heal stella it's self, so no one take care about the nerf it recived. So anyone take care about to support other players.

    Your minds is clouded by sellfishness.


    For complete all, a little teach about games, but even life: Faster don't mean better or entraining, mean nothing. In fact a ton of people quit games (not only sw) every day...

    1)Nah

    2)Yes, i still die on... oh wait, i play on server Candus from 2 month (before i was on uriel) and i didn't die once in gc.

    3)Or you are not capable, someone else want to try to do it?

    4)You said you have 9% crit and you can't improve your equipment? This is why i don't want people like you in my team.

    Honestly, its best to learn to adapt to the changes whether you like them or not. There isn't really a dedicated trinity of tank, dps, and heals on Soulworker.


    All players who play these type of action rpgs should be expected to rely on their own skills to stay alive. I originally was a supportish type Stella, but ultimately moved to providing more dps while providing off-heal or SP support.


    In the end, the faster the boss dies the better. So your dps as a Stella is important. If you do not do damage, you are essentially unnecessary weight when you view it from other player perspectives, or being carried.


    If this isn't something that sits right with you, then I cannot say much more to it. If you prefer to heal/support more, there are other games that fit that role better than SoulWorker and would welcome that type of playstyle. I am not being rude or trying not to be in the most I can, but it's generally how the majority of all servers view the scenario (based on reading forums here, JPs, and others).


    Solo videos exist which kind of prove that support isn't needed at all as well.


    But, if we had to consider an example:

    Group of 4 -

    All players dpsing with a Stella providing occasional support

    v.s

    3 players dps and a Stella only supporting.


    The first group will have it easier than the second.

    Less mechanics to face, less damage done to party, and less mistakes a player could make. Sure, the second group could ensure mistakes could be recovered from, but its the idea that it could be avoided which is why the prior group is preferred.


    You are free to voice your opinion just as I do, but the changes are made. You either adapt, be tossed aside, or find a group that will accept a full support Stella. They still exist. It just takes effort to look for them.

    :stella1:

    Yeah Players like me die in Gc, that's why i just run AoV Manic alone. Im to bad for gc.

    Jokes on me then.
    I dont want to tell you how you have to play Stella but i just can't agree with you here, even if my build is full dmg i still can heal my Team because it's more then enough heal you have.


    My Sonic Impulse still heals me, can't tell why it is not working for you, maybe write the Support that you have a bug?


    I think that was my last post here then, have a great day!

    :stella1:

    We are talking about the skill combo Sonic pulse and soulcry that heal instantly hp.