So, i want to know if the chance of uprgade acumulates with each level, or the max is 3% with VIP 4, just that ![]()
Also thanks a lot for finally implement this, we needed it.
So, i want to know if the chance of uprgade acumulates with each level, or the max is 3% with VIP 4, just that ![]()
Also thanks a lot for finally implement this, we needed it.
Well, in one of the sections I have already said that, crying on the forum will not lead to anything good. So they asked for it .... a new loyalty system is just a mockery of the players, and the sharpening was still there ... 200 attempts from +7 to +8 were not successful ... thank you to the players who were crying on the forum.
Nope, the % doesn't pile up. So the level 5 Loyalty from trisha only gives a reduction of cost.
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We'll have max chance on 7th day if I'm not a first-grader at math, right? Or does the xp reset after every rank-up?
You can gain 40vip points per day on each character. For a max VIP on Trisha you'll need 1000 points.
1000/40=25
If the amount u can get will stay 40 points per day then you'll have 3%chance and 20% discount after 24 days (If u are already 40/1000) 
There's a bunch of confusing comments in this thread so I will try to clarify a few things:
-Vip level 2 is when you first get an additional 2% enhancement rate.
-Vip level 4 is when you first get the additional 3% enhancement rate.
-These do not stack. The 2% gets replaced with 3% at level 4.
-The enhancement rate is added to the base rate. So with level 4 VIP (3% additional rate), an enhancement that originally had a .5% chance of success would become 3.5% chance.
-You can gain a max of 40 points per day per character and each VIP level costs 50 more points than the previous one:
100 from 0-1
150 from 1-2
200 from 2-3
250 from 3-4
300 from 4-5
-It takes 7 days to reach level 2 (250 points required).
-It takes 18 days to reach level 4 (700 points required).
-It takes 25 days to max out completely.
Also while the above is specific to Trisha, all relevant NPCs have 5 levels of VIP (not counting level 0) but slightly different points per level and max points you can get per day.
Display MoreThere's a bunch of confusing comments in this thread so I will try to clarify a few things:
-Vip level 2 is when you first get an additional 2% enhancement rate.
-Vip level 4 is when you first get the additional 3% enhancement rate.
-These do not stack. The 2% gets replaced with 3% at level 4.-The enhancement rate is added to the base rate. So with level 4 VIP (3% additional rate), an enhancement that originally had a .5% chance of success would become 3.5% chance.
-You can gain a max of 40 points per day per character and each VIP level costs 50 more points than the previous one:
100 from 0-1
150 from 1-2
200 from 2-3
250 from 3-4
300 from 4-5
-It takes 7 days to reach level 2 (250 points required).
-It takes 18 days to reach level 4 (700 points required).
-It takes 25 days to max out completely.
Also while the above is specific to Trisha, all relevant NPCs have 5 levels of VIP (not counting level 0) but slightly different points per level and max points you can get per day.
And now tell me, it was worth your tears and snot on the forum about the super loyalty system. For me there is no difference of 0.5 or 3.5 chance .... since I use the scroll + 50% to the chance of improvement. In my opinion, this system is just for a tick in the game and has no benefit for the players.
Display MoreDisplay MoreThere's a bunch of confusing comments in this thread so I will try to clarify a few things:
-Vip level 2 is when you first get an additional 2% enhancement rate.
-Vip level 4 is when you first get the additional 3% enhancement rate.
-These do not stack. The 2% gets replaced with 3% at level 4.-The enhancement rate is added to the base rate. So with level 4 VIP (3% additional rate), an enhancement that originally had a .5% chance of success would become 3.5% chance.
-You can gain a max of 40 points per day per character and each VIP level costs 50 more points than the previous one:
100 from 0-1
150 from 1-2
200 from 2-3
250 from 3-4
300 from 4-5
-It takes 7 days to reach level 2 (250 points required).
-It takes 18 days to reach level 4 (700 points required).
-It takes 25 days to max out completely.
Also while the above is specific to Trisha, all relevant NPCs have 5 levels of VIP (not counting level 0) but slightly different points per level and max points you can get per day.
And now tell me, it was worth your tears and snot on the forum about the super loyalty system. For me there is no difference of 0.5 or 3.5 chance .... since I use the scroll + 50% to the chance of improvement. In my opinion, this system is just for a tick in the game and has no benefit for the players.
Yes because that scroll improve only the basic %
0.5% with 50% scroll will be 0.75%
0.5% with loyalty system vip 4 will be 3.5%
0.5% with loyalty system vip 4 and scroll will be 3.75 or 5.25 i don't know how work.
So there is a improvement.
Display MoreDisplay MoreDisplay MoreThere's a bunch of confusing comments in this thread so I will try to clarify a few things:
-Vip level 2 is when you first get an additional 2% enhancement rate.
-Vip level 4 is when you first get the additional 3% enhancement rate.
-These do not stack. The 2% gets replaced with 3% at level 4.-The enhancement rate is added to the base rate. So with level 4 VIP (3% additional rate), an enhancement that originally had a .5% chance of success would become 3.5% chance.
-You can gain a max of 40 points per day per character and each VIP level costs 50 more points than the previous one:
100 from 0-1
150 from 1-2
200 from 2-3
250 from 3-4
300 from 4-5
-It takes 7 days to reach level 2 (250 points required).
-It takes 18 days to reach level 4 (700 points required).
-It takes 25 days to max out completely.
Also while the above is specific to Trisha, all relevant NPCs have 5 levels of VIP (not counting level 0) but slightly different points per level and max points you can get per day.
And now tell me, it was worth your tears and snot on the forum about the super loyalty system. For me there is no difference of 0.5 or 3.5 chance .... since I use the scroll + 50% to the chance of improvement. In my opinion, this system is just for a tick in the game and has no benefit for the players.
Yes because that scroll improve only the basic %
0.5% with 50% scroll will be 0.75%0.5% with loyalty system vip 4 will be 3.5%
0.5% with loyalty system vip 4 and scroll will be 3.75 or 5.25 i don't know how work.
So there is a improvement.
I apologize ... but could you give me a link to the source where there are chances of improvement for our version. I have no idea why you decided that the scroll + 50% with the original chance is just 0.75%. How do you decide this. If you do not have a source of this information, specifically for our version, then apart from our experience we cannot discuss with you. No need to mislead the players.
Display MoreDisplay MoreDisplay MoreDisplay MoreThere's a bunch of confusing comments in this thread so I will try to clarify a few things:
-Vip level 2 is when you first get an additional 2% enhancement rate.
-Vip level 4 is when you first get the additional 3% enhancement rate.
-These do not stack. The 2% gets replaced with 3% at level 4.-The enhancement rate is added to the base rate. So with level 4 VIP (3% additional rate), an enhancement that originally had a .5% chance of success would become 3.5% chance.
-You can gain a max of 40 points per day per character and each VIP level costs 50 more points than the previous one:
100 from 0-1
150 from 1-2
200 from 2-3
250 from 3-4
300 from 4-5
-It takes 7 days to reach level 2 (250 points required).
-It takes 18 days to reach level 4 (700 points required).
-It takes 25 days to max out completely.
Also while the above is specific to Trisha, all relevant NPCs have 5 levels of VIP (not counting level 0) but slightly different points per level and max points you can get per day.
And now tell me, it was worth your tears and snot on the forum about the super loyalty system. For me there is no difference of 0.5 or 3.5 chance .... since I use the scroll + 50% to the chance of improvement. In my opinion, this system is just for a tick in the game and has no benefit for the players.
Yes because that scroll improve only the basic %
0.5% with 50% scroll will be 0.75%0.5% with loyalty system vip 4 will be 3.5%
0.5% with loyalty system vip 4 and scroll will be 3.75 or 5.25 i don't know how work.
So there is a improvement.
I apologize ... but could you give me a link to the source where there are chances of improvement for our version. I have no idea why you decided that the scroll + 50% with the original chance is just 0.75%. How do you decide this. If you do not have a source of this information, specifically for our version, then apart from our experience we cannot discuss with you. No need to mislead the players.
Cause with 50% you can't fail 40-50 times, it's math.
Just that comment makes me think you never actually tried to upgrade with it. Everyone would be rolling in +9s if it was 50.x% with the scrolls
Just that comment makes me think you never actually tried to upgrade with it. Everyone would be rolling in +9s if it was 50.x% with the scrolls
He said with a 50% scroll, it would be 0.75%, not 50.x%.
I think he's trying to say the loyalty system is a huge improvement.
Except i wasn't replying to Maxgts
As I suspected that, no one can give a clear answer .... as my mother said .... if a person is an idiot, then this is a long time.
As I suspected that, no one can give a clear answer .... as my mother said .... if a person is an idiot, then this is a long time.
Then i give you a clear answer.
Do you remember when before aov they did the event with 100% upgrade improvement? Do you think all the player did all the upgrade with 1 try?
I'll try to explain this.
50% is one success for 2 try, you can still fail more than 2 but is too high so you can success in 5-6-7 try
If you are unlucky then 10 try or just a bit more, this is MATH and all the software is based on math, even soulworker.
So then how work that 50%?
Is the 50% of the basic percentage so is:
0.5% x50 / 100 = 0.25 than you add the result to the basic percentage so is 0.5% + 0.25% =0.75
There is nothing more clear than math itself, if you didn't go to school and you can't understand math is not my problem.
Display MoreAs I suspected that, no one can give a clear answer .... as my mother said .... if a person is an idiot, then this is a long time.
Then i give you a clear answer.
Do you remember when before aov they did the event with 100% upgrade improvement? Do you think all the player did all the upgrade with 1 try?
I'll try to explain this.
50% is one success for 2 try, you can still fail more than 2 but is too high so you can success in 5-6-7 try
If you are unlucky then 10 try or just a bit more, this is MATH and all the software is based on math, even soulworker.
So then how work that 50%?
Is the 50% of the basic percentage so is:
0.5% x50 / 100 = 0.25 than you add the result to the basic percentage so is 0.5% + 0.25% =0.75
There is nothing more clear than math itself, if you didn't go to school and you can't understand math is not my problem.
I get the impression that they do not understand me correctly or the online translator does not translate well. Since you started talking about mathematics, here's an example that I myself noticed. Relatively recently, even before the upgrade, I improved level 60 weapons .... from +8 to +9. I used the scroll + 50% and got +9 on the seventh attempt .... if you are so interested in mathematics then it will be easy for you to calculate what it is with a chance of 0.75% SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. As I said, guesses about the real chances of success in improving the items, neither you, nor me, nor others on the forum have NO. All that, we are talking about the chances ...... ONLY OUR OPINION WHICH IS BASED ON WHAT WE SEE. I would be in your place, if you were so crying about the new system that already exists in Korea ... would pay attention to the TЕGS that have recently been introduced. Characteristics of the heroic tеgs that I have are REDUCED than the same tag in Korea. If you are so principled start a rebellion on this issue.
Display MoreDisplay MoreAs I suspected that, no one can give a clear answer .... as my mother said .... if a person is an idiot, then this is a long time.
Then i give you a clear answer.
Do you remember when before aov they did the event with 100% upgrade improvement? Do you think all the player did all the upgrade with 1 try?
I'll try to explain this.
50% is one success for 2 try, you can still fail more than 2 but is too high so you can success in 5-6-7 try
If you are unlucky then 10 try or just a bit more, this is MATH and all the software is based on math, even soulworker.
So then how work that 50%?
Is the 50% of the basic percentage so is:
0.5% x50 / 100 = 0.25 than you add the result to the basic percentage so is 0.5% + 0.25% =0.75
There is nothing more clear than math itself, if you didn't go to school and you can't understand math is not my problem.
I get the impression that they do not understand me correctly or the online translator does not translate well. Since you started talking about mathematics, here's an example that I myself noticed. Relatively recently, even before the upgrade, I improved level 60 weapons .... from +8 to +9. I used the scroll + 50% and got +9 on the seventh attempt .... if you are so interested in mathematics then it will be easy for you to calculate what it is with a chance of 0.75% SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. As I said, guesses about the real chances of success in improving the items, neither you, nor me, nor others on the forum have NO. All that, we are talking about the chances ...... ONLY OUR OPINION WHICH IS BASED ON WHAT WE SEE. I would be in your place, if you were so crying about the new system that already exists in Korea ... would pay attention to the TЕGS that have recently been introduced. Characteristics of the heroic tеgs that I have are REDUCED than the same tag in Korea. If you are so principled start a rebellion on this issue.
Yeah yeah, so impossible that my friend just did +9 in one try without any scroll.
This is the problem when you deal with very low percentage, you can do it with one try or with 600+ try.
Oh, another friend just failed 20 try to upgrade from +5 to +6 and with that scroll, so what do you think? 50% is TOO HIGH to add direct on the basic percentage.
This is not just opinion on what i see, but opinion based on what many player have saw, i know player with 500+ fail.
If that scroll work how you think why so few player have +9?
I get the impression that they do not understand me correctly or the online translator does not translate well. Since you started talking about mathematics, here's an example that I myself noticed. Relatively recently, even before the upgrade, I improved level 60 weapons .... from +8 to +9. I used the scroll + 50% and got +9 on the seventh attempt .... if you are so interested in mathematics then it will be easy for you to calculate what it is with a chance of 0.75% SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. As I said, guesses about the real chances of success in improving the items, neither you, nor me, nor others on the forum have NO. All that, we are talking about the chances ...... ONLY OUR OPINION WHICH IS BASED ON WHAT WE SEE. I would be in your place, if you were so crying about the new system that already exists in Korea ... would pay attention to the TЕGS that have recently been introduced. Characteristics of the heroic tеgs that I have are REDUCED than the same tag in Korea. If you are so principled start a rebellion on this issue.
I used 5x 50% scroll while upgrading from +0 to +9. Used around 150 attempts and I did get +8. Then I tried something around 50 attempts for +9 and nothing. And about 0,5% chance you can´ t say these are guesses coz it might be official.
By my experience of failing upgrading the item from +3 to +4 and failing 7 times in a row, I think i believe in so low chance for +9 upgrade.
i am more worried about Gameforge not giving us another upgrade boost event [50% or 100%] after finally adding NPC Loyalty system and waiting a long time
after all, +8 to +9 really depends on luck and i am terrible at luck ![]()
i cannot even remember when is the last time we received an upgrade boost event OR double drop event
plus, since i did not milk Easter Event from the start, i am sooo short on anti & strength
just when is non-tradable/non-vendable ec going to be in Cash Shop![]()
i seriously need to roll my aov gear first b4 i can 'reroll' it ![]()