Okay so we've all been thinking this is beyond impossible and dismissed it without even mentioning, but with them insisting so hard a rollback is impossible
What if they actually, on the astronomical chance that it can happen, made the nth-dimensional chess move of not backing up the database? Gameforge instantly voted joke of the year
Why did we not get a rollback?
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We are aware of your worries for the situation at the moment, but we are trying our best to limit the impact as much as possible. As announced earlier, a rollback was not a possible option for this case.
The problem is the huge influx of money due to YOUR bug. Trying your best to limit the impact means nothing when it is clear that you CANNOT solve this problem without a rollback. Players already made billions selling things at inflated prices on the market. Those players and their billions will not be touched by this banning, Money already circulated throughout the game world. Only a rollback can fix this.
If you were really trying your best, then you would've done the rollback already.
Rolling back 20 hours is nothing in the context of an MMO where people play for YEARS. Nothing you said earlier indicates that a rollback is not a possible option, you simply chose not to do it.
PS. By "you", I'm referring to Gameforge, I know you're just the CM.
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All who got banned deserve this sooo hard! It's funny how you all try to find excuses xD You think other games/publisher would catch up a "serious management" and fix market? It's fkin easy as it is. You bugusing? You get banned. I wished & asked for fair punishment after that fkin socks event and NOW at last it happening<3
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About the Silver Round box, imagine I have been told by one of their partenered streamers on their official discord that its a "thank you for not abusing the bug box". Which was very offensive. Sure I'll just jump in and give you more money as if someone is willing to invest anymore after this tragicomedy event(and after you banned the exact people that fed you the most money). Thats the kind of people that represent gameforge. Puppies in leashes.
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All who got banned deserve this sooo hard! It's funny how you all try to find excuses xD You think other games/publisher would catch up a "serious management" and fix market? It's fkin easy as it is. You bugusing? You get banned. I wished & asked for fair punishment after that fkin socks event and NOW at last it happening<3
well u're funny too cuz thread creator isnt banned, and many ppl who didnt even profited on it or used it are voting for rollback, but well u just wanna be a topper without thinking further than "punishment for abusing" so enjoy your pleasure.
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My point of view (snippet of ticket, case: permabanned)
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Furthermore would recommend to reconsider the actual banwave with an open letter to the community.
The impact of a bug like this is not solved by banning people. In the first place, it is the fault of the quality assurance. Do you guys realize the irony of postponing updates with the reason of releasing/publishing bug-free content?
Why did people use it?
In the past of this game there were often moments where people had to abuse events/mechanics like this, otherwise the discrepancy in items would be to huge (Easter-Weekend, Winter-Event).
The point noted above is the reason, that a lot of veteran player did use it (fear of missing out...again).
Publication and anticipation.
By making the information accesible to a lot of/every player, we/me anticipated it would result into a rollback of the server. Unfortunately this was not the case.
A lot of player spend a lot of time and money into this free-to-play game. Banning them, in some cases permanent, for a mistake on your side is kinda harsh. It may result into player reconsider playing/spending money into this game.
For clarification, the text above just reflect my opinion and opinions can be different.
Greetings Kruxa
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All who got banned deserve this sooo hard! It's funny how you all try to find excuses xD You think other games/publisher would catch up a "serious management" and fix market? It's fkin easy as it is. You bugusing? You get banned. I wished & asked for fair punishment after that fkin socks event and NOW at last it happening<3
yes my friend yes
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Display MoreMy point of view (snippet of ticket, case: permabanned)
[...]
Furthermore would recommend to reconsider the actual banwave with an open letter to the community.
The impact of a bug like this is not solved by banning people. In the first place, it is the fault of the quality assurance. Do you guys realize the irony of postponing updates with the reason of releasing/publishing bug-free content?
Why did people use it?
In the past of this game there were often moments where people had to abuse events/mechanics like this, otherwise the discrepancy in items would be to huge (Easter-Weekend, Winter-Event).
The point noted above is the reason, that a lot of veteran player did use it (fear of missing out...again).
Publication and anticipation.
By making the information accesible to a lot of/every player, we/me anticipated it would result into a rollback of the server. Unfortunately this was not the case.
A lot of player spend a lot of time and money into this free-to-play game. Banning them, in some cases permanent, for a mistake on your side is kinda harsh. It may result into player reconsider playing/spending money into this game.
For clarification, the text above just reflect my opinion and opinions can be different.
Greetings Kruxa
And yet you should not take advantage of bugs but report
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[...] The point noted above is the reason, that a lot of veteran player did use it (fear of missing out...again).
Publication and anticipation.
By making the information accesible to a lot of/every player, we/me anticipated it would result into a rollback of the server. Unfortunately this was not the case.
A lot of player spend a lot of time and money into this free-to-play game. Banning them, in some cases permanent, for a mistake on your side is kinda harsh. It may result into player reconsider playing/spending money into this game.
LOL, it's just excuses that ...
Veterans who were afraid of missing an opportunity?
Garbage that wanted to put the game to work for their personal profiles, yes. (The game was much rotted by the early GoldSeller ...)
Disseminate information, okay.
Use the bug to excess? What is the point of being honest?
There may be some people who have done by curiosity or "challenge" to try to see the maximum amount of money with the idea that there would be a rollback but do not lie, it should not be much people ...
A punishment of one or two weeks is not excessive. And if there are permaban who have put a fortune in the game, well it's big morons for having messed up. (and GF does not steal them by banishing them, since our accounts are at GF so he does what he wants.)
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You know, a decent project, not even a game, literally could not have something like this happen. A decent developer puts rules on what can be added to the database, they would've specified that an item's sale price must be lower than (or equal to) its buy price. With a bug so massive that ONE person can get more dzenai than there is currently in the whole server? AND let that money flow freely, not bound to account nor nothing? Who in their right mind would not rollback that? After a month's delay?
I almost got myself screwed over, too. Figuring rollback is definitely on its way, I thought I'd use the opportunity to get a nice sample for upgrade rates. Was saved by my own laziness. And surprisingly, not a single person in our guild got banned, yet we agree rollback's the solution here.
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Display MoreMy point of view (snippet of ticket, case: permabanned)
[...]
Furthermore would recommend to reconsider the actual banwave with an open letter to the community.
The impact of a bug like this is not solved by banning people. In the first place, it is the fault of the quality assurance. Do you guys realize the irony of postponing updates with the reason of releasing/publishing bug-free content?
Why did people use it?
In the past of this game there were often moments where people had to abuse events/mechanics like this, otherwise the discrepancy in items would be to huge (Easter-Weekend, Winter-Event).
The point noted above is the reason, that a lot of veteran player did use it (fear of missing out...again).
Publication and anticipation.
By making the information accesible to a lot of/every player, we/me anticipated it would result into a rollback of the server. Unfortunately this was not the case.
A lot of player spend a lot of time and money into this free-to-play game. Banning them, in some cases permanent, for a mistake on your side is kinda harsh. It may result into player reconsider playing/spending money into this game.
For clarification, the text above just reflect my opinion and opinions can be different.
Greetings Kruxa
And yet you should not take advantage of bugs but report
And yet people should start thinking. Maybe you would know, if you would actually play the game.
The publication of the bug were about 11 PM. Eight hours into the patch with a gold duplicating bug did force player(me included) to stop leveling chii and choose between two options:
1. dont abuse it and probably play with the discrepancy in DZ (i would quit in this case) or
2. abuse it, force a rollback or play without the discrepancy in DZ (did not consider a banwave of that much player)
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All who got banned deserve this sooo hard! It's funny how you all try to find excuses xD You think other games/publisher would catch up a "serious management" and fix market? It's fkin easy as it is. You bugusing? You get banned. I wished & asked for fair punishment after that fkin socks event and NOW at last it happening<3
On Dofus they rollback a entire week and developers ban nobody because it there own mistake.
I can understand the 1-2week ban because GF want to prof to other player what will hapened if you bypass rules ( but in this case is still there fault )
But on other side i cant understand why they not rollback.
Socks event is not fault of players too is again GF like april event so the publicher make mistake but you want players ban lel.
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And yeah, where is their punishment for this farce? What, is that massive banwave some kind of self-sacrifice? Or is it milking more money from players with that 1-week (coincidentally lowest ban period (and yes that actually does motivate more people to buy the thing)) wheel costume sale? Biggest screw up after the tf2 unusual bug, yeah I'd love to give you my money, motivating you to screw up more often.
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And yeah, where is their punishment for this farce? What is that massive banwave some kind of self-sacrifice? Or is it milking more money from players with that 1-week (coincidentally lowest ban period (and yes that actually does motivate more people to buy the thing)) wheel costume sale? Biggest screw up after the tf2 unusual bug, yeah I'd love to give you my money, motivating you to screw up more often.
They just want to close the game or just make a game for noobies
Old players got already stuff so they dont spend much money like new players to get akasha and some broches.
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I tried to start a thread yesterday but mods are not approving it so here:
Is Gameforge really going to pretend that BILLIONS of exploited dz didn't buy out the market last night?
As many already know, last night there was an exploit (which was such an obvious buy/sell loop I'd blame more on Gameforge than the people abusing it) that caused hundreds of billions, likely >trillion dz to be generated.
The money was used to buy out nearly the entire market. Much of it was also sent to 'clean' accounts who never exploited the trade loop.
So what does Gameforge do? Ban half the server for using a trick that was put right in front of everyone's faces via a new item with a price imbalance. On top of that the 'clean' accounts who received exploited dz GOT TO KEEP IT.
But this doesn't solve the fact that THE MARKET HAD BILLIONS OF DOLLARS PUMPED THROUGH IT TO BUY OUT EVERYTHING. People were selling ECs for over 300 million a piece and GOT TO KEEP THE EXPLOITED DZ USED TO BUY IT WITH. Also only the exploited dz was reset, so if someone dumped all their dz into assets off the market, they will have all this free stuff when they return.
The only proper response should have been a rollback. We cannot pretend this didn't happen. There are screenshots floating around now of people who made away with 100s of billions from this while people who used the trick for about 30 minutes got TWO WEEK SUSPENSIONS. All because of Gameforge's mistake.
Here's an example of what we're dealing with due to no rollback:
Bans do not solve this. Only a rollback will.
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I'm not banned either although I was there when this happened and didnt complicate my existence because I was expecting a rollback 100%. Like others my laziness just made me alt-F4. Simply logged out just to login the day after to a broken economy, an incredible amount of veterans banned and no one to play with. Having copyright for NA it is incredible that you, gameforge dont have people working in those hours which is crucial btw. If you had competent persons working in North America time this catastrophe could have been prevented somehow. But you suck.
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Posting for a friend because he's saying the forum is blocking his posts since yesterday:
Is Gameforge really going to pretend that BILLIONS of exploited dz didn't buy out the market last night?
As many already know, last night there was an exploit (which was such an obvious buy/sell loop I'd blame more on Gameforge than the people abusing it) that caused hundreds of billions, likely >trillion dz to be generated.
The money was used to buy out nearly the entire market. Much of it was also sent to 'clean' accounts who never exploited the trade loop.
So what does Gameforge do? Ban half the server for using a trick that was put right in front of everyone's faces via a new item with a price imbalance. On top of that the 'clean' accounts who received exploited dz GOT TO KEEP IT.
But this doesn't solve the fact that THE MARKET HAD BILLIONS OF DOLLARS PUMPED THROUGH IT TO BUY OUT EVERYTHING. People were selling ECs for over 300 million a piece and GOT TO KEEP THE EXPLOITED DZ USED TO BUY IT WITH. Also only the exploited dz was reset, so if someone dumped all their dz into assets off the market, they will have all this free stuff when they return.
The only proper response should have been a rollback. We cannot pretend this didn't happen. There are screenshots floating around now of people who made away with 100s of billions from this while people who used the trick for about 30 minutes got TWO WEEK SUSPENSIONS. All because of Gameforge's mistake.
Here's an example of what we're dealing with due to no rollback:
Bans do not solve this. Only a rollback will.
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Well it does not bring anything the same time to talk about the same thing.
It is your own fault if you use the bug or not. And a rollback is just not possible. The time has come, the game is dead.but that does not surprise me. is just gameforge!
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All who got banned deserve this sooo hard! It's funny how you all try to find excuses xD You think other games/publisher would catch up a "serious management" and fix market? It's fkin easy as it is. You bugusing? You get banned. I wished & asked for fair punishment after that fkin socks event and NOW at last it happening<3
On Dofus they rollback a entire week and developers ban nobody because it there own mistake.
I can understand the 1-2week ban because GF want to prof to other player what will hapened if you bypass rules ( but in this case is still there fault )
But on other side i cant understand why they not rollback.
Socks event is not fault of players too is again GF like april event so the publicher make mistake but you want players ban lel.
the difference with easter is that since it was an event, even if it was more advantageous than Christmas, we could say that it was normal (in the end, it had become less advantageous than that of Christmas after).
Rollback in this case (especially since it lasted several days), would have been abbérant, I think (the fact of not having left and having reduced so much was not a good solution for me)
on the other side, given the short time and the impact, it's true that it deserves the rollback quickly, without delay.
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dont miss one thing - bug was reported pretty quick and both GF and players could evade that fiesta with quick rollback or closing servers in for day to fix and just do a compensation if we had professional publisher. But did you see any excuse for it in their official reply? nope they talk about 20 hours of progress and throwing dust in our eyes.
Not even counting that was NEW item related to NEW char in update which was postponed to check ALL NEW THINGSAnd we never get compensation for their mistake, we never get a proper apology, we never get reply in time. All we get is players paying again and again for publisher/dev mistake.
GF just making fun of playerbase and some of us actually buying it
