Why did we not get a rollback?

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dont miss one thing - bug was reported pretty quick and both GF and players could evade that fiesta with quick rollback or closing servers in for day to fix and just do a compensation if we had professional publisher. But did you see any excuse for it in their official reply? nope they talk about 20 hours of progress and throwing dust in our eyes.

Not even counting that was NEW item related to NEW char in update which was postponed to check ALL NEW THINGS

And we never get compensation for their mistake, we never get a proper apology, we never get reply in time. All we get is players paying again and again for publisher/dev mistake.

GF just making fun of playerbase and some of us actually buying it

You should add "BUT HEY THERE IS THE KNIGHT OUTFIT BRUH, until i can get my knight is all fine. "
And infact people even after this for Knight they pop up even after what happened yesterday , yeah guys we are pride of you

4.2 The user is prohibited from manipulating the online game in any way. The user is not entitled, in particular, to employ any measures, mechanisms or software that could interfere with the functionality or the course of the game. The user is prohibited from any actions which could result in an unreasonable or excessive load on the technical capacities. The user is not permitted to block, overwrite or modify the content generated by ‪Gameforge‬ or to otherwise interfere with the online game.

Keita manipulating in any any way.

Players that buy the Bp knowing that it’s not part of the game mechanic that it sell higher than the buying price. That’s pretty much interfere with functionality of the game. It’s not intended to make profit out of it. Every players knew that’s not how it works, and decide to risk taking the chance not getting the ban.

Even i just testing it, per support check on my log, that I bought 31 BP, which 46.5mils gained when I have 8-9b in my bank, that’s less than 1% gained. They don’t care, still ban. I tested it then don’t care went back to leveling my chii. It doesn’t matter, eventho I don’t touch the dz.

Gameforge don’t really care much, if they truly care they will rollback. They can’t fixed this, even if they take the dz back, the person that bought out whole ECs is ban permanently from what I heard. That amount of ECs supply is gone. But demand for ECs stay the same, so ECs price will be high now no matter what. And exploited dz still cycling around the server, they can’t take back those dz from players that sold items for like 999mils when exploit happen. So pretty much the players that benefit most is the players that sold item “legally” but get “illegal” dz from those exploiter. Since I know friends that has 300B didn’t get ban since he sold his items for 999millions and earned tons of dz off those exploiter.

Considering they've banned people for helping (one of my guildmates has been banned for 7 days for using the bug for taking screenshots and filing a ticket report), i'm not surprised they didn't even been clear about what part of the TOS has been broken to those who were banned.

Pls don’t exploit bugs in game

Report them and ask to be fixed

Don’t let ur ‘greed’ overtake ur action

Seriously, either play the game ‘fair’ or just stop complaining

It is not even a perm ban

The whining is getting annoying

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Pls don’t exploit bugs in game

Report them and ask to be fixed

Don’t let ur ‘greed’ overtake ur action

Seriously, either play the game ‘fair’ or just stop complaining

It is not even a perm ban

The whining is getting annoying

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How about you stop calling it a bug. Many people here should stop using the term bug and actually learn what the synonym means.

Yo when its getting annoying for you gtfo of here, because your whole argument about why the people should be qiet is shit and was already mentioned. Readinh your old comments makes me think you arent even playing the game properly.

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4.2 The user is prohibited from manipulating the online game in any way. The user is not entitled, in particular, to employ any measures, mechanisms or software that could interfere with the functionality or the course of the game. The user is prohibited from any actions which could result in an unreasonable or excessive load on the technical capacities. The user is not permitted to block, overwrite or modify the content generated by ‪Gameforge‬ or to otherwise interfere with the online game.

Keita manipulating in any any way.

The game allowed it. No 'manipulation' was used. Just buying and selling the same way you would buy and sell any other item. That's the argument I'm sticking with here, though I guess 'manipulation' is a really lose term. Is it manipulation to position reset after killing Primal's core??? Obviously you're intended to leave using the portal instead. What about dying in Last Carnival so that you only use half your EP to farm a higher # of drops? We going to hand out bans for that now too? AND HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW HOW MUCH DZ WAS BEING PUMPED THROUGH THE MARKET AND LISTED ITEMS AT 10X THEIR VALUE TO PROFIT HUGE??? See what I'm getting at here?

If the the game allows it it's fair use. That's why the entire rest of that paragraph specifies 3rd party tools, scripts, and modifying game files. Because THAT is actual manipulation of the game.

One last thing and nothing personal but you are not threea. I think it is important when a large portion of the player base gets banned that we have an official statement as to specifically what part of the terms was broken. I have spoken with people who have already filed tickets and they said support refuses to specify what rule was broken and just says "tos was broken". I think we have a right to know what specific part of the tos was infringed on.

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"The user is prohibited from manipulating the online game in any way(period) "

This is one part of it, then second sentence is another part of it that doesn't really mean manipulating the mechanisms. More like The user is not entitled, in particular (so any way (measures) or any method or even just buying and selling that is part of the in game mechanisms).

"The user is not entitled, in particular, to employ any measures, mechanisms or software that could interfere with the functionality or the course of the game."

Every players including me (buying legit 31 Blueprint then feel like this is not right), know that buying at 1 mils and selling at 2.5 mils is definitely not part of the game mechanisms, and by doing so, it can definitely interfere with the course of the game. I am not saying gameforge is right, the mistake is definitely gameforge negligent for not able to catch the additional 0 on the sale price before releasing the patch. But everyone that saw gameforge mistake and abusing is fully aware that by doing so, they are risking themselves to get ban or maybe gameforge might just rollback and doesn't punish the abuser (which what most abuser wishing for as the worst case). And if you are saying that you aren't aware that it's gameforge negligent or mistake for putting an additional 0 is not part of the game mechanic, that's just consider as ignorant. And ignorant doesn't justify wrongdoing. We have control over whether to abuse their mistake or report it or don't abuse it, and every decision has its own consequences. The decision for abusing it = ban, the decision for not abusing it is fine. (But if you truly think you didn't do any wrong doing, by the contract/ToC, you are able to legally sue gameforge for unjust/wrongful termination, bcoz per the ToC, they only allow to terminate/banned/ delete your account/contract only if you violated the ToC Per section 6 and 8 on the ToC).

The thing that i am more tilting is more toward how Gameforge handle the situation, instead of rollback they choose to trying to fix it and banning players. There is no way to fix it, all the supply for ECs is bought out and those players might be ban permanently, and the demand is still remaining the same. Gameforge can't really take the Dz back that players got it from selling stuff in market, eventho those Dz is coming from a exploiter or abuser. How is gameforge going to fix this economy, i have no idea. I rather them rollback then ban players than this kind of fix.And remember those exploit's DZ is still cycling around the market right now.

It just happened that way. Look at your mistake. Did you think it will go unpunished or what? ..It's just that and now do not complain lol xD
in my opinion is a 14 days ban fair and then the dzenai pulled back. but perma ban?

the "did you think you'd go unpunished" argument looks ridiculous to me.

1. It's their mistake, and while people did have the choice not to abuse it, that's irrelevant because, again, just one person is enough to trash the market of the whole server.

2. GAMEFORGE WENT UNPUNISHED. Again, and again, and again, so much time between the last update and this one, especially their statement that it's to ensure quality updates, and this farce happens. In a new item. It probably didn't take 10 minutes for the first person to notice it, they just didn't talk about it.

3. After the market blew up and it was visible for everyone, how many people went "well the right thing to do here is ban everyone who exploited obviously"? I'd be surprised to see even one sheep who thought that would've solved the problem. So naturally everyone just assumed instant rollback and that there's no point in doing anything productive at the moment, so they just went and had fun with the infinite money.

Anyone remember MU with that game's jewel buying and selling "exploit"? A lot of servers just kept it as intended behaviour and it was even specified in the server's info whether the "exploit" was there. What I'm getting at is the ToS is too vague to call this behaviour against it. Of course they wrote it not knowing what can happen, but this time is not that different from the past events we had. We just sold what we got to the market not an npc back then. Is that a clear borderline in their ToS? And when they just avoid clarifying it in their own replies, it's even more suspicious. Basically "we now think it's against the ToS, we didn't consider it back then, but what matters is not what we write, but what we think". Top of the line logic.

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the "did you think you'd go unpunished" argument looks ridiculous to me.

1. It's their mistake, and while people did have the choice not to abuse it, that's irrelevant because, again, just one person is enough to trash the market of the whole server.

So your are saying, you have the permission to steal, if nobody is watching, because it's the fault of the one who didn't watch his stuff and they should get arrested instead of the thief?

Don't know how law is, where you are. But in Germany the owner of the store could technically take his stuff back,

because if there are mistakes, the contract is invalid. Therefore the store doesn't get his money and the customer not his product.

Also we talk about generated money. It's, as if you would print money yourself.

But we can also take this into consideration, if you want.

We have a saying in Germany which translates to "stupidity does not protect against punishment".

If someone can't control himself, not to break the rules, he has to take responsibility.

Of course you could take this to court, but you would lose.

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We still should get a rollback and then ban players who abused the bug.

I mean, you know that this can not turn out well. I already know about their incompetence at Gamforge. but that one is not banned now is absolute normal, that is your fault. that I mean come with the unpunished.

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the "did you think you'd go unpunished" argument looks ridiculous to me.

1. It's their mistake, and while people did have the choice not to abuse it, that's irrelevant because, again, just one person is enough to trash the market of the whole server.

So your are saying, you have the permission to steal, if nobody is watching, because it's the fault of the one who didn't watch his stuff and they should get arrested instead of the thief?

If a store in real life buys an item for more than they sell it for and I walked in and kept buying and selling the item to them and they allowed it that would be THEIR FAULT. If that situation went to court the store owner would be laughed at for allowing such a dumb store policy.

It would not be stealing. Period.

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Yes, cause there is law.
And talking about law, there is rules even in a mmorpg.

One of those rules say that if you notice something that it's supposed to not be there you need to report and not abuse of it.

Stop to cry only because you got a ban, because it's what you deserve.

The market in candus is ok atm, after 2 day it's almost fixed, just wait a little longer.

Next time you will think 2 times before abuse some bug.

Neither of the two of us got banned at all. And the people who did follow that rule of yours? They got banned. So is the moral of the story to follow or not to follow, according to you?
BuT If THeY goT BanNEd tHat MeAnS tHEy abUseD iT! You need to buy and sell it at least once to confirm whether it's an actual exploit or just a visual bug. And that need gets you banned. Still gonna argue for banning people who exploited the crap out of it, sure. But not once.

Suzaku hi there Cathy Newman. Scratching your whole dubious logic of comparing it to stealing in real life, you seem to be completely ignoring what I said overall. It's more like somebody went to a shop that literally prints infinite money for anyone, then going to other shops and buying all their stuff. One. Person. Get it through your thick skull. On top of that, what gets that person screwed in the end is not the shops they bought stuff from (they keep all their money), not the government, but the shop that printed the money in the first place even though it said nothing in any contract or whatever about any consequences. And law? I'm not gonna discuss that until it's indisputably confirmed which exact part of the ToS was broken.

And were it my decision, after rolling back I wouldn't have banned anyone, but if instead people who clearly abused it got banned temporarily, I could've lived with it.

You know even Keita's example was more accurate than yours.

Mine was a example for breaking rules in general.

If someone would be rich enough to buy everything und make his own prices, it would destroy our real economy as well.

That's why, at least our law, is trying to prevent people from playing monopoly.

I mean, trying to prevent monopolies in general.

And people already mentioned the parts of the ToS, which were broken.

So I'm not repeating that part.

GF, banned people can wait , but the market can't wait. The inflation is tooo much its depressing fix please

Hey

Im here to talk about Market. We all know what it supposes. After this patch, we found a bug a so much people was banned for use this bug, me too.

So, there is people who can have a lot Dz in others accounts secundaries because they transfered the Dz to their accounts.

So, the market and the economy is broken, i know and you know it too. What's the solution?

My solution is deleting the Market option.

Deleting the Market option, people who have 300b Dz cant do nothing with Dz. Only repair weapon, or improve equiipment.

You can think at this people. If you want something on Premum Shop and you dont have SC, you can talk with your friend or someone who sell SC and just trade her/him on private trade to get this item.

This is better solution than people buying all items in Market cause they have 300b Dz.

Of this form, economy would be fixed and all people included me can enjoy better on this game.

Thank you so much and good luck, we will overcome!