Why did we not get a rollback?

No, I don't know, because nobody objectively explained it to me. For me, Keita's example is lacking because it doesn't mention the 3rd party that profited billions from this whole situation. And it seems like the store actually did all that on their own, here it's more like they were ordered to put the prices like that. And your "example for breaking rules in general"? After you said "So your are saying" to me? You contradict yourself. But arguing about this is absurd and just strays off the topic. Real-life examples are best avoided.

People were discussing about the ToS and they can't confirm it 100%. And this is one of those "experts in the comment section" situations. The hell do we know about it? Don't talk like it's a fact when it's not.

But after all this, the real kick in the balls? The person at the core of this doesn't read any of this, doesn't hear about any of this, and couldn't care less about it. Instead of offering an official apology as is the superior's responsibility, he just sits at the table, drinks his coffee, looks at the decreasing numbers and just tells someone to do something about it. The Silver Round happens, and it's a happy ending for him.

They still get their stuff without the market. It would only make it harder, to see where the money went.

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Shit cheaters must be banished

agree... but hopefully not perma. ban! toxic people are worse they should be banned lol

I don't understand how this can fix the market problem, I don't find the meaning.

why not delete the whole Game!? would fix it 2

Is funny how hey keep ignoring everything and posting new things ingame

The players you have right now are only leveling Chii, most of them will leave after reach 60 due to no people for help them on AOV.

Good job, each day you prove us more and more your incompetence.

Fix the bugs and do a rollback or your game will DIE.

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Is funny how hey keep ignoring everything and posting new things ingame

The players you have right now are only leveling Chii, most of them will leave after reach 60 due to no people for help them on AOV.

Good job, each day you prove us more and more your incompetence.

Fix the bugs and do a rollback or your game will DIE.

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finally someone who does not write eternal quotes and just writes the right things xD

i like u

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I just want to follow up in this thread and point out that after the recent wave of support tickets Majima was nice enough to inform some players of what part of the ToS was broken. I was correct, it was not the part about manipulation (in section 4). What he highlighted was the following:

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8.2 Each party has the right to terminate the agreement for cause without notice, if a material reason exists. A material reason is specifically established if

b) there are actual circumstances that indicate that his conduct is significantly and negatively impacting on the gaming experience of other users,

So there it is. Basically if you do something that can make other players upset that's enough grounds for a ban. Since the explanation came from Majima it's safe to assume this is the official stance from Gameforge on the issue.

So for them, sending money to other accounts, buying cheap and selling x10 overpriced KNOWING the bug, and inflating market is not making upset anyone.

I think we should stop complaining, nothing to do xd

says the guy with the 8th grader syndrome

"...significantly and negatively impacting on the gaming experience of other users" man it sure is a good thing that nothing else comes to mind with these words, both from the community's behaviour and theirs, huh. Not a single thing. If anyone read that rant about the kick in the balls and that gameforge guy drinking coffee, the image in my head is now that of the "This is fine" meme.

So they accepted it wasnt a bug exploit but "bad conduct" towards their mistake in code. Well sure how else it can be in laws territory. But still didnt heard proper apology which saying "we screwed up" from GF, no news on other bugs fixing also, still dust in the eyes.

At least they giving small compensation for first time in history of gfsw, my congratulations guys.

But they still hiding it like "hey its just free stuff, a gift!" cuz dont have the courage to accept their multiple mistakes.

"we celebrate!" - they say, what exactly? Is it anniversary fail?

Alright boys, the damage is done. It's too late to rollback now.

Now for the people who are 7d+ banned go and do some human activities outside or play a different game. 4HEad

Just because some of you were sleeping or werent aware of it doesnt give you the right to bash on the ones who just simply had the bad luck to be up to date with the issue. Buncha hypocrites.

Yeah its too late to rollback now since the exploited dzenai is in circulations. But who cares. Clown server.

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P.S. Rollback would have been far better than ban imo

The way I see it, this whole banning thing is just a diversionary tactic to push the blame to someone else (the players) whereas the real culprit is themselves (Gameforge) for releasing this buggy update to begin with and not removing the problem they caused by not doing a rollback.

The problem is the huge influx of money due to this update. Players already made billions selling things at inflated prices on the market. Those players and their billions will not be touched by this banning. Money already circulated throughout the game world. Only a rollback can fix this.

They say 20 hours is too long to do a rollback. But what they SHOULD be saying is that 20 hours of this bug causes too much damage to NOT do a rollback.

This problem is as damaging as any gold dupe bug.

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Just because some of you were sleeping or werent aware of it doesnt give you the right to bash on the ones who just simply had the bad luck to be up to date with the issue. Buncha hypocrites.

Yeah its too late to rollback now since the exploited dzenai is in circulations. But who cares. Clown server.

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Is funny how hey keep ignoring everything and posting new things ingame

The players you have right now are only leveling Chii, most of them will leave after reach 60 due to no people for help them on AOV.

Good job, each day you prove us more and more your incompetence.

Fix the bugs and do a rollback or your game will DIE.

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I would just like to mention that you will not change anything by writing. Being one of many you won't change anything either. Do something that will cause some progress in your and not only your life. Best regards.

Thats probably the dumbest post i’ve seen so far, good job.

So, because you decided to sell Knight Armor in cashshop, the following day after the infamous gold exploit, it's clearly you didn't grasp the gravity of the situation. So here are few things to help you understand what you've done:

Chii was scheduled to released by August. That was the roadmap you posted yourself, but it didn't happen. We waited months, stucking with an event that didn't even get refreshed. The only compensation we had was the 'energy converter' that you give out at the final week before Chii, because, once again, it was further delayed into late September.

We sucked it up. Then September 17th happened.

Setting aside the fact that your first course of action is to issue a mass ban, the very day of Chii release. Or even the fact that with so much delays and playtest, there are still bugs (jin erwin can't run, and this exploits,..). We get it, it happens, and now you're doing damage control. So what are your possible options? Fix exploit, delete invalid dzenai, then leave it be? Sure that can works, although you may have to deal with abusers hiding their stuffs by other means. Rolling back? That sounds perfect, reversing everything back by 20 hours and start with a clean slate. It's simple enough, and you've done it before, even just for an exploit that was much smaller than this. 20 hours of progress, so that the problem won't come back to bite you in the future. Seems reasonable.

And what did you decided? Banning everyone involved. Ignoring that the damage was already done, and that the illegal dzenai has already been laundered through the market. Ignoring even the fact that items that were sold on the market at the time of exploit, will forever be lost in the account of the banned. And so, with that decision, you'd choose spend the next few weeks working on responding to everyone who had been involved, while minimizing the perceived impact of the event. You'd rather to delay the problem, so that one day you have to meticulously devise a plan to amend the economy, because you would realized it will have became too broken even for soulcash buyers.

Your Oversight isn't your Responsibility, right? After all, it was our faults for 'falling for it'. Our greed. Not yours.

And then, there's the other aspect.

This game has been out for 1 and a half year. During that time, people had bonds. They had friends, they formed communities. Those friends became family, living under the same roof of the house that was their community. And through it all, they stayed. They stayed, when the market was in chaos, because of your egg and sock events shorting out the dzenai. They stayed, even when there are versions of soulworker out there, with no region block, and newer contents. They stayed, because this has became their home. They enjoyed creating fan contents, streaming, guiding new players on these servers. They enjoyed the company of endeared friends that they've connected with all they way since beta. And so, for their community, they thought they can endure it all, all your problems and your issues, because in the end, they believed, if they endure together, they can get through all these nuisance. These people, they don't leave you, only you would have the authority to leave them.

So they sucked it up. Then September 17th happened.

Statistically, the number would say the amount of banned players are relatively small. But look deeper.. Look at their creation dates. These are are your core players. These are the people you're not supposed to lose. You know why the news blow up so fast? They helped it. Instead of keeping it under the hood, they used their communal connections to spread the words. They shouted out, thinking the sooner you get notified of this exploit, the sooner the problem will be resolved. But, there was no response. You think, they would sit idly, when market is being emptied out by the minute, and there's no statement from you even after the news literally reached your official discord server? Even when the daily reset hit, there were still no sight of maintenance action until an hour later. They had to act. We all had to. How can we even be sure this wasn't your intention after all, when the exploit was so obvious, any Chii player could have stumbled upon it by accident, just by leveling?

So now, people are banned. People, who gave the words out, are now locked away. People, who lose those people, are in misery. They were banned, without warning, without notification, without due process. Some were permanent, without even the chance to talk about it. All their soulcash, their playtime, their collection, their recognition accumulated over the years. All of it, gone, because they did something everyone else was trying to do at that moment, to prompt the rollback we all too believed would come, but never came.

So, I wonder what you believe is heavier: 20 hours, or years of damage of past and future?

Side-note: If you think I'm ranting simply because I have a banned account, I would beg to differ. My name is DyXie, on EN server. I have the collection of every single items since beta, from every event happened, including the reward boxes of all said items. My ingame listed achievements is 98% every catalog, if not 100%. I spent 4558 hours on record, playing this game, since April of 2018, logging in virtually every single day since. My soulcash is zero, because I chose to play on leveled playing field, which means i had to spend more time grinding my way through to farm what I needed to get. But despite that, I managed to have at least 90% of every single Lilly's premium costumes, by trading with soulcash sellers. My ingame titles, many of which are very hard to get, are abundant enough to create a complete rainbow. My akasha list collection is fully-decked from 1-star to 3-star. My house decoration is comprised of 6 different sets, that I've invested to build until it reached the final form today. My lilly is a virtual embodiment of everything I can be proud of.

And you know what? I would give all that up, for me to remained permaban, if it means everyone else on server gets unban and rollback on request. Because all these extraordinary loses would be NOTHING, if I can see every one of these people be together again, playing and enjoying the Chii release like it supposed to.

That, is the real gravity of this situation.

Whatever you were trying to do, I hope it's worth it in the end. You monster.