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hm. I expected it to be a premium shop thing. I hope there will be more ways to get them aside from cash shop and that 1 from daily login, like possibly grutin gold, or even crafting them. They wouldn't be cheap, but it's still an option to earn them.

They get the mat from the premium shop yes, but atm it's free

If only I could actually open the premium shop x) Still waiting for them to fix it.

It's possible if you're on steam. Try to log into a less populated server like the PL server. Open the shop there, leave the shop open and re-select servers again to your own server. Open the shop there. That's what a guild member told me it also worked for me. Might work for you too don't know if it's the same for the people playing through their own launcher :s

Checked. Doesn't work) Of course on others servers shop is working but triyng to attempt on it on EN or NA servers leads to nothing. I'm playing via game client.

Yeah wasn't sure if it would work on the normal game client, it did work for me on the steam launcher but it seems like it doesn't work for everyone either

This game will die out sooner or later , its an old game from 2008 coming into 2018 with high p2w(wich i dont mind that much) and a energy system. It does not matter if the energy sistem will not affect you 90% of the time . New players will come in they will enjoy the game much(the dungeons are fun) then play 2-3 hours and their energy will be depleted then quit becouse a sour taste in their mouth . Even in wow you can play for 1 month for 15 $ and here you will prob get 3-6 hours for that much.

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This game will die out sooner or later , its an old game from 2008 coming into 2018 with high p2w(wich i dont mind that much) and a energy system. It does not matter if the energy sistem will not affect you 90% of the time . New players will come in they will enjoy the game much(the dungeons are fun) then play 2-3 hours and their energy will be depleted then quit becouse a sour taste in their mouth . Even in wow you can play for 1 month for 15 $ and here you will prob get 3-6 hours for that much.

in the other versions there are no energy potions in the cashshop

Its likely they wont be there aswell for us. (the ones right now are for the open beta event - 100energy pots are exclusive to events and the 50energypots in the goldcoin store)

Ow then if the limit is for all players including p2w players i retract what i say

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This game will die out sooner or later , its an old game from 2008 coming into 2018 with high p2w(wich i dont mind that much) and a energy system. It does not matter if the energy sistem will not affect you 90% of the time . New players will come in they will enjoy the game much(the dungeons are fun) then play 2-3 hours and their energy will be depleted then quit becouse a sour taste in their mouth . Even in wow you can play for 1 month for 15 $ and here you will prob get 3-6 hours for that much.

in the other versions there are no energy potions in the cashshop

Its likely they wont be there aswell for us. (the ones right now are for the open beta event - 100energy pots are exclusive to events and the 50energypots in the goldcoin store)

Never question the capability of western publishers to turn the games P2W.

i dont think this should turn into a p2w discussion, as None of us know how and in which way they will monetize the cashshop, heck they might even give free cashcurrency for Events and stuff, no one knows, no one should talk about that yet, we will see which items are in the cashshop, so Long we shouldnt derail into this Kind of discussion.

Back on Topic, when you have 200 Stamina, dont Play your character the next day he will have 300 (50% carried over form previous day), the day after ist 150 carried over adding up to 350 Stamina and so on. so if you decide to Play an alt, create it now so it can accumulate energy for you. hardcap is 600energy as it seems.

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As it has been said a thousand times in countless games with the same system, it's understandable they want to limit addiction, which I can agree with, but later content eats through energy way too fast. They need to balance this so that a player can at least enjoy 6 hours of play a day before running out of energy.

Stamina systems like this in these games have NOTHING to do with Korean laws, nor are they there as a means to deal with addiction, it is instead 100% an in-game balancing system. If you play these games in the way they are meant to be played, by playing multiple characters, and by squeezing as much value out of your available content, stamina tends to be a non-issue.

With games that use pure grind, they're limiting your rate of gains, so with them it's not that you can play as much as you want, but that you need to invest large amounts of time to make any meaningful progress once you get to the higher levels, and are after the best gear. The problem with that system is it's not good for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters in games that split things across different playable characters. With these games the rate of gains is decidedly higher, but they instead limit the amount of content you can consume in a given period. This makes them better for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters, since stamina is much more often than not a per character resource. They further demonstrate how they're aimed at the more altaholic players as they tend to have bonus systems, or various types of grind that are best, or only advanced by using multiple characters.

The problem is people come to these games trying to play them like they do those grind heavy games, where they try to go in with a full team of overpowered characters for the content, then skip as much as they can along the way in a focused effort to get to the end as fast as possible, since with other games that use just grind, how quickly you get to the end lets you grind that content more often in a space of time, plus the end reward can make up almost 100% of the total gains from the content. With these games though, since gains are higher, and available content per character is the main limiter, doing things as they do in other games is not the most efficient way to play, squeezing as much value as you can out of the available content is. These games also always seem to have a scoring system associated with dungeon runs, part of what it can look at is if you killed everything, so as some of these games only require you to kill certain marked mobs in an area, and those in a rush skip as many of the other mobs as they can, that means a lower score, which also means your end rewards will be less, as they are connected, then as some 50%+ of your XP from a dungeon can come from mob kills, you're crippling your gains by not killing everything, and some good loot can drop along the way as well, which those people skip in a rush to get to the end.

Restricting your rate of gains, or how much content you can do are just game balancing issues. Grind focused games also can have content like daily dungeons, or daily quests that you may only be able to do once a day, and you may only be able to do so many of them per day, but people want to do them as much as they can, as it tends to be decidedly more rewarding than regular content. With these games the more rewarding restricted content is the norm, rather than the exception. Kritika is another game in this genre, in the NA/EU release they fiddled with stamina so the more you use, the lower your gains, and once you run out of stamina, your gains are 10% of what they started out as. Other games like the initial NA release of Dark Blood have done the same sort of balancing act when fiddling with available stamina values.

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You said a whole lot of nothing. The energy is to limit so they can dig in your pocket when you are tired of farming their coins.

If it was for addiction they would make energy account based and not allowed you to purchase energy.

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As it has been said a thousand times in countless games with the same system, it's understandable they want to limit addiction, which I can agree with, but later content eats through energy way too fast. They need to balance this so that a player can at least enjoy 6 hours of play a day before running out of energy.

Stamina systems like this in these games have NOTHING to do with Korean laws, nor are they there as a means to deal with addiction, it is instead 100% an in-game balancing system. If you play these games in the way they are meant to be played, by playing multiple characters, and by squeezing as much value out of your available content, stamina tends to be a non-issue.

With games that use pure grind, they're limiting your rate of gains, so with them it's not that you can play as much as you want, but that you need to invest large amounts of time to make any meaningful progress once you get to the higher levels, and are after the best gear. The problem with that system is it's not good for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters in games that split things across different playable characters. With these games the rate of gains is decidedly higher, but they instead limit the amount of content you can consume in a given period. This makes them better for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters, since stamina is much more often than not a per character resource. They further demonstrate how they're aimed at the more altaholic players as they tend to have bonus systems, or various types of grind that are best, or only advanced by using multiple characters.

The problem is people come to these games trying to play them like they do those grind heavy games, where they try to go in with a full team of overpowered characters for the content, then skip as much as they can along the way in a focused effort to get to the end as fast as possible, since with other games that use just grind, how quickly you get to the end lets you grind that content more often in a space of time, plus the end reward can make up almost 100% of the total gains from the content. With these games though, since gains are higher, and available content per character is the main limiter, doing things as they do in other games is not the most efficient way to play, squeezing as much value as you can out of the available content is. These games also always seem to have a scoring system associated with dungeon runs, part of what it can look at is if you killed everything, so as some of these games only require you to kill certain marked mobs in an area, and those in a rush skip as many of the other mobs as they can, that means a lower score, which also means your end rewards will be less, as they are connected, then as some 50%+ of your XP from a dungeon can come from mob kills, you're crippling your gains by not killing everything, and some good loot can drop along the way as well, which those people skip in a rush to get to the end.

Restricting your rate of gains, or how much content you can do are just game balancing issues. Grind focused games also can have content like daily dungeons, or daily quests that you may only be able to do once a day, and you may only be able to do so many of them per day, but people want to do them as much as they can, as it tends to be decidedly more rewarding than regular content. With these games the more rewarding restricted content is the norm, rather than the exception. Kritika is another game in this genre, in the NA/EU release they fiddled with stamina so the more you use, the lower your gains, and once you run out of stamina, your gains are 10% of what they started out as. Other games like the initial NA release of Dark Blood have done the same sort of balancing act when fiddling with available stamina values.

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You said a whole lot of nothing. The energy is to limit so they can dig in your pocket when you are tired of farming their coins.

If it was for addiction they would make energy account based and not allowed you to purchase energy.

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I've played games like this with a stamina system for many years, and since I do play them in the manner that was intended, even when the game does sell stamina potions, I've never bought any, and have been able to do long binge play sessions when I want to. Then anything in a game can be used to turn a profit, just look at the growing number online games that sells equipment, and/or the materials to make/upgrade it, or even levels/XP, when they can in turn decrease drop rates, and/or increase the volume of materials/XP required, I've seen it happen. Defenders will always find ways to make anything in the cash shop supposedly acceptable, while those looking to bash things will always find ways to twist things to make anything in a game out to be terrible.

I didn't say stamina systems are meant to deal with addiction, I said they weren't there for that purpose, but other people always try to claim the system is there for such reasons, such as the person in this thread whom I quoted. You claim I said a whole lot of nothing, but based on that response, you didn't read what I said, so as a result you made an irrelevant response.

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As it has been said a thousand times in countless games with the same system, it's understandable they want to limit addiction, which I can agree with, but later content eats through energy way too fast. They need to balance this so that a player can at least enjoy 6 hours of play a day before running out of energy.

Stamina systems like this in these games have NOTHING to do with Korean laws, nor are they there as a means to deal with addiction, it is instead 100% an in-game balancing system. If you play these games in the way they are meant to be played, by playing multiple characters, and by squeezing as much value out of your available content, stamina tends to be a non-issue.

With games that use pure grind, they're limiting your rate of gains, so with them it's not that you can play as much as you want, but that you need to invest large amounts of time to make any meaningful progress once you get to the higher levels, and are after the best gear. The problem with that system is it's not good for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters in games that split things across different playable characters. With these games the rate of gains is decidedly higher, but they instead limit the amount of content you can consume in a given period. This makes them better for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters, since stamina is much more often than not a per character resource. They further demonstrate how they're aimed at the more altaholic players as they tend to have bonus systems, or various types of grind that are best, or only advanced by using multiple characters.

The problem is people come to these games trying to play them like they do those grind heavy games, where they try to go in with a full team of overpowered characters for the content, then skip as much as they can along the way in a focused effort to get to the end as fast as possible, since with other games that use just grind, how quickly you get to the end lets you grind that content more often in a space of time, plus the end reward can make up almost 100% of the total gains from the content. With these games though, since gains are higher, and available content per character is the main limiter, doing things as they do in other games is not the most efficient way to play, squeezing as much value as you can out of the available content is. These games also always seem to have a scoring system associated with dungeon runs, part of what it can look at is if you killed everything, so as some of these games only require you to kill certain marked mobs in an area, and those in a rush skip as many of the other mobs as they can, that means a lower score, which also means your end rewards will be less, as they are connected, then as some 50%+ of your XP from a dungeon can come from mob kills, you're crippling your gains by not killing everything, and some good loot can drop along the way as well, which those people skip in a rush to get to the end.

Restricting your rate of gains, or how much content you can do are just game balancing issues. Grind focused games also can have content like daily dungeons, or daily quests that you may only be able to do once a day, and you may only be able to do so many of them per day, but people want to do them as much as they can, as it tends to be decidedly more rewarding than regular content. With these games the more rewarding restricted content is the norm, rather than the exception. Kritika is another game in this genre, in the NA/EU release they fiddled with stamina so the more you use, the lower your gains, and once you run out of stamina, your gains are 10% of what they started out as. Other games like the initial NA release of Dark Blood have done the same sort of balancing act when fiddling with available stamina values.

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You said a whole lot of nothing. The energy is to limit so they can dig in your pocket when you are tired of farming their coins.

If it was for addiction they would make energy account based and not allowed you to purchase energy.

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I've played games like this with a stamina system for many years, and since I do play them in the manner that was intended, even when the game does sell stamina potions, I've never bought any, and have been able to do long binge play sessions when I want to. Then anything in a game can be used to turn a profit, just look at the growing number online games that sells equipment, and/or the materials to make/upgrade it, or even levels/XP, when they can in turn decrease drop rates, and/or increase the volume of materials/XP required, I've seen it happen. Defenders will always find ways to make anything in the cash shop supposedly acceptable, while those looking to bash things will always find ways to twist things to make anything in a game out to be terrible.

I didn't say stamina systems are meant to deal with addiction, I said they weren't there for that purpose, but other people always try to claim the system is there for such reasons, such as the person in this thread whom I quoted. You claim I said a whole lot of nothing, but based on that response, you didn't read what I said, so as a result you made an irrelevant response.

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I was just shortening what you already said man...calm down. I dont agree that there is an "intended" method of playing however. Stamina is there to strong arm a majority of the players to the cash shop. Game companies know that some people wont ever use their cash-shop but these guys are trying all different kinda ways to make you uncomfortable enough to pay. Instead of making the game enjoyable enough that people want to pay. This game feel super outdated with its monitization practices.

I was at 343 energy before the reset and then I logged out to reset my characters dailies. When I logged back in I was ad 200 flat energy. Help!

Is it true that every start of the week the energy goes back to 200 eventho you have saved around 400?? I have 388 energy earlier and as soon as the server refreshed i got dc then when i logged back i noticed my energy is only 188..

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I didn't even notice this until I saw this thread...

Yeah, this needs to not happen. There should not be a reset on energy at the end of the week. I want to keep my rollover.

happened to me as well.

Especially if they are going to have energy picnic blankets in the cashshop...This needs to be looked at asap

Same. I had over 380 energy and lost all of it. What the hell?

Can someone explain me how to get over 300 energy?

Because pills and mats have an upper limit of 200 energy and do not go beyond that.

Because of "half of current energy goes to next day" i do understand how to get 300 (200 current day + 100 from previous day if u had 200). Well maybe 200 + (300/2) = 350; then 200 + (350/2) = 375; etc...

That would mean that you do not really play and don't really give a **** or you yourself are doing smth suspicious.

Or I just don't know something, thus would like to ask you, how do you get over 300 energy?

I had close to 380 energy and suddenly got dropped to 200...

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Can someone explain me how to get over 300 energy?

Because pills and mats have an upper limit of 200 energy and do not go beyond that.

Because of "half of current energy goes to next day" i do understand how to get 300 (200 current day + 100 from previous day if u had 200). Well maybe 200 + (300/2) = 350; then 200 + (350/2) = 375; etc...

That would mean that you do not really play and don't really give a **** or you yourself are doing smth suspicious.

Or I just don't know something, thus would like to ask you, how do you get over 300 energy?

Personally I'm unable to play the game for long periods of time due to my PC trying to kill itself, so my energy gets pretty back logged.

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Can someone explain me how to get over 300 energy?

Because pills and mats have an upper limit of 200 energy and do not go beyond that.

Because of "half of current energy goes to next day" i do understand how to get 300 (200 current day + 100 from previous day if u had 200). Well maybe 200 + (300/2) = 350; then 200 + (350/2) = 375; etc...

That would mean that you do not really play and don't really give a **** or you yourself are doing smth suspicious.

Or I just don't know something, thus would like to ask you, how do you get over 300 energy?

I have 600 on one of my characters I use for tests and not for dungeons, you just get you 200 main energy refill everyday along with 50% of your previous day's main energy amount, so 100 energy everyday by logging in. I end up with 600 energy since I dont really play dungeons with this test character. (The test character is just the character I use to open the premium shop, since my main character is in a server that can't.) But with my main character I've been up to 380 just fine. Also since the premium shop exists, I've been stocking up on those bags with 100 instant energy. I have a few in my inventory and I'm building them up incase I ever do run out of energy, I say I'm set. When it comes to energy mats, I always have over 200 energy, so I just drop 30 and 60 minute mats down for random people while I do my dungeons. Here's why I have no problem with this current energy system. They give you so much, I never even go below 100. And when I do, I'll just use one of the many many 100-instant-energy bags.

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Can someone explain me how to get over 300 energy?

Because pills and mats have an upper limit of 200 energy and do not go beyond that.

Because of "half of current energy goes to next day" i do understand how to get 300 (200 current day + 100 from previous day if u had 200). Well maybe 200 + (300/2) = 350; then 200 + (350/2) = 375; etc...

That would mean that you do not really play and don't really give a **** or you yourself are doing smth suspicious.

Or I just don't know something, thus would like to ask you, how do you get over 300 energy?

I have 600 on one of my characters I use for tests and not for dungeons, you just get you 200 main energy refill everyday along with 50% of your previous day's main energy amount, so 100 energy everyday by logging in. I end up with 600 energy since I dont really play dungeons with this test character. (The test character is just the character I use to open the premium shop, since my main character is in a server that can't.) But with my main character I've been up to 380 just fine. Also since the premium shop exists, I've been stocking up on those bags with 100 instant energy. I have a few in my inventory and I'm building them up incase I ever do run out of energy, I say I'm set. When it comes to energy mats, I always have over 200 energy, so I just drop 30 and 60 minute mats down for random people while I do my dungeons. Here's why I have no problem with this current energy system. They give you so much, I never even go below 100. And when I do, I'll just use one of the many many 100-instant-energy bags.

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dont expect anyone can always access the god damn Premium Shop.. People who played on the launcher cant even make a workaround on the premium shop.. Gosh this game is retarded to go in Launch.. 1.) Cant even test the Premium Shop 2.) Energy resets to 200 every start of the week.. Whats the purpose of the saved energy during the week? Wew..