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Can someone explain me how to get over 300 energy?

Because pills and mats have an upper limit of 200 energy and do not go beyond that.

Because of "half of current energy goes to next day" i do understand how to get 300 (200 current day + 100 from previous day if u had 200). Well maybe 200 + (300/2) = 350; then 200 + (350/2) = 375; etc...

That would mean that you do not really play and don't really give a **** or you yourself are doing smth suspicious.

Or I just don't know something, thus would like to ask you, how do you get over 300 energy?

I have 600 on one of my characters I use for tests and not for dungeons, you just get you 200 main energy refill everyday along with 50% of your previous day's main energy amount, so 100 energy everyday by logging in. I end up with 600 energy since I dont really play dungeons with this test character. (The test character is just the character I use to open the premium shop, since my main character is in a server that can't.) But with my main character I've been up to 380 just fine. Also since the premium shop exists, I've been stocking up on those bags with 100 instant energy. I have a few in my inventory and I'm building them up incase I ever do run out of energy, I say I'm set. When it comes to energy mats, I always have over 200 energy, so I just drop 30 and 60 minute mats down for random people while I do my dungeons. Here's why I have no problem with this current energy system. They give you so much, I never even go below 100. And when I do, I'll just use one of the many many 100-instant-energy bags.

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so the game is out like what a week? How are you able to have "many many 100-instant-energy bags"? Itl take me like 2~3h max to clear my 2XX energy and if i miraculously get to open the shop il chug the the potion right away and its also gone in like 1h cause i have to run manic to level for the next main quest.

Can someone tell me why my Stella has 266 Energy yesterday and I log on now, its back at 200? I don't get how this works. I didn't even play during that time. I sat on a mat, afk'd then logged off.

I've been waiting for two days to replenish my energy but it seen like it didn't reset as expected, It stays the same. I'm from ASIA

Since this client was SW KR-based, most, if not all, of the other mechanics coming from KR has been inherited.

One of them is a forced down-to-200-Energy reset on every Monday's Energy reset.

...Of course, there's probably the option for SWNA to change to something like JP has, which has nothing like the forced down-to-200-Energy reset every Monday, should Gameforge choose to. I hope they do get rid of that forced reset.

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As it has been said a thousand times in countless games with the same system, it's understandable they want to limit addiction, which I can agree with, but later content eats through energy way too fast. They need to balance this so that a player can at least enjoy 6 hours of play a day before running out of energy.

Stamina systems like this in these games have NOTHING to do with Korean laws, nor are they there as a means to deal with addiction, it is instead 100% an in-game balancing system. If you play these games in the way they are meant to be played, by playing multiple characters, and by squeezing as much value out of your available content, stamina tends to be a non-issue.

With games that use pure grind, they're limiting your rate of gains, so with them it's not that you can play as much as you want, but that you need to invest large amounts of time to make any meaningful progress once you get to the higher levels, and are after the best gear. The problem with that system is it's not good for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters in games that split things across different playable characters. With these games the rate of gains is decidedly higher, but they instead limit the amount of content you can consume in a given period. This makes them better for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters, since stamina is much more often than not a per character resource. They further demonstrate how they're aimed at the more altaholic players as they tend to have bonus systems, or various types of grind that are best, or only advanced by using multiple characters.

The problem is people come to these games trying to play them like they do those grind heavy games, where they try to go in with a full team of overpowered characters for the content, then skip as much as they can along the way in a focused effort to get to the end as fast as possible, since with other games that use just grind, how quickly you get to the end lets you grind that content more often in a space of time, plus the end reward can make up almost 100% of the total gains from the content. With these games though, since gains are higher, and available content per character is the main limiter, doing things as they do in other games is not the most efficient way to play, squeezing as much value as you can out of the available content is. These games also always seem to have a scoring system associated with dungeon runs, part of what it can look at is if you killed everything, so as some of these games only require you to kill certain marked mobs in an area, and those in a rush skip as many of the other mobs as they can, that means a lower score, which also means your end rewards will be less, as they are connected, then as some 50%+ of your XP from a dungeon can come from mob kills, you're crippling your gains by not killing everything, and some good loot can drop along the way as well, which those people skip in a rush to get to the end.

Restricting your rate of gains, or how much content you can do are just game balancing issues. Grind focused games also can have content like daily dungeons, or daily quests that you may only be able to do once a day, and you may only be able to do so many of them per day, but people want to do them as much as they can, as it tends to be decidedly more rewarding than regular content. With these games the more rewarding restricted content is the norm, rather than the exception. Kritika is another game in this genre, in the NA/EU release they fiddled with stamina so the more you use, the lower your gains, and once you run out of stamina, your gains are 10% of what they started out as. Other games like the initial NA release of Dark Blood have done the same sort of balancing act when fiddling with available stamina values.

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You said a whole lot of nothing. The energy is to limit so they can dig in your pocket when you are tired of farming their coins.

If it was for addiction they would make energy account based and not allowed you to purchase energy.

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I've played games like this with a stamina system for many years, and since I do play them in the manner that was intended, even when the game does sell stamina potions, I've never bought any, and have been able to do long binge play sessions when I want to. Then anything in a game can be used to turn a profit, just look at the growing number online games that sells equipment, and/or the materials to make/upgrade it, or even levels/XP, when they can in turn decrease drop rates, and/or increase the volume of materials/XP required, I've seen it happen. Defenders will always find ways to make anything in the cash shop supposedly acceptable, while those looking to bash things will always find ways to twist things to make anything in a game out to be terrible.

I didn't say stamina systems are meant to deal with addiction, I said they weren't there for that purpose, but other people always try to claim the system is there for such reasons, such as the person in this thread whom I quoted. You claim I said a whole lot of nothing, but based on that response, you didn't read what I said, so as a result you made an irrelevant response.

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I was just shortening what you already said man...calm down. I dont agree that there is an "intended" method of playing however. Stamina is there to strong arm a majority of the players to the cash shop. Game companies know that some people wont ever use their cash-shop but these guys are trying all different kinda ways to make you uncomfortable enough to pay. Instead of making the game enjoyable enough that people want to pay. This game feel super outdated with its monitization practices.

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There is always an intended way to play a game, and it's made obvious by what provides the lowest form of resistance, while the ways you have difficulty with would not be the intended way. Take shooters, most allow for melee attacks, but trying to play one as a brawler/hack n' slash game won't work nearly as well, and isn't nearly as supported as playing using ranged weapons, which is why they are classed as shooters. As I said, by playing multiple characters, and not always trying blast through content as quickly as possible, I've always had more available play time, than I needed, or even more than 24 hours of potential play time in a day. Furthermore there tends to be bonus systems, and/or shared grinds that are best, or only done using multiple characters, which again points to that be the intended way of playing. Finally, at least in the past when people complained about these systems, publishers/developers would always tell people to play more than one character.

You're trying to push your "it's only there to make money" argument through the various posts here. But as I said, anything in online games can be used to make money if a company wanted to. Then you completely ignore what others say as you don't want to agree with it, since you don't want to play how these games were made to be played.

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Stamina systems like this in these games have NOTHING to do with Korean laws, nor are they there as a means to deal with addiction, it is instead 100% an in-game balancing system. If you play these games in the way they are meant to be played, by playing multiple characters, and by squeezing as much value out of your available content, stamina tends to be a non-issue.

With games that use pure grind, they're limiting your rate of gains, so with them it's not that you can play as much as you want, but that you need to invest large amounts of time to make any meaningful progress once you get to the higher levels, and are after the best gear. The problem with that system is it's not good for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters in games that split things across different playable characters. With these games the rate of gains is decidedly higher, but they instead limit the amount of content you can consume in a given period. This makes them better for more casual players, and those that want to play multiple characters, since stamina is much more often than not a per character resource. They further demonstrate how they're aimed at the more altaholic players as they tend to have bonus systems, or various types of grind that are best, or only advanced by using multiple characters.

The problem is people come to these games trying to play them like they do those grind heavy games, where they try to go in with a full team of overpowered characters for the content, then skip as much as they can along the way in a focused effort to get to the end as fast as possible, since with other games that use just grind, how quickly you get to the end lets you grind that content more often in a space of time, plus the end reward can make up almost 100% of the total gains from the content. With these games though, since gains are higher, and available content per character is the main limiter, doing things as they do in other games is not the most efficient way to play, squeezing as much value as you can out of the available content is. These games also always seem to have a scoring system associated with dungeon runs, part of what it can look at is if you killed everything, so as some of these games only require you to kill certain marked mobs in an area, and those in a rush skip as many of the other mobs as they can, that means a lower score, which also means your end rewards will be less, as they are connected, then as some 50%+ of your XP from a dungeon can come from mob kills, you're crippling your gains by not killing everything, and some good loot can drop along the way as well, which those people skip in a rush to get to the end.

Restricting your rate of gains, or how much content you can do are just game balancing issues. Grind focused games also can have content like daily dungeons, or daily quests that you may only be able to do once a day, and you may only be able to do so many of them per day, but people want to do them as much as they can, as it tends to be decidedly more rewarding than regular content. With these games the more rewarding restricted content is the norm, rather than the exception. Kritika is another game in this genre, in the NA/EU release they fiddled with stamina so the more you use, the lower your gains, and once you run out of stamina, your gains are 10% of what they started out as. Other games like the initial NA release of Dark Blood have done the same sort of balancing act when fiddling with available stamina values.

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You said a whole lot of nothing. The energy is to limit so they can dig in your pocket when you are tired of farming their coins.

If it was for addiction they would make energy account based and not allowed you to purchase energy.

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I've played games like this with a stamina system for many years, and since I do play them in the manner that was intended, even when the game does sell stamina potions, I've never bought any, and have been able to do long binge play sessions when I want to. Then anything in a game can be used to turn a profit, just look at the growing number online games that sells equipment, and/or the materials to make/upgrade it, or even levels/XP, when they can in turn decrease drop rates, and/or increase the volume of materials/XP required, I've seen it happen. Defenders will always find ways to make anything in the cash shop supposedly acceptable, while those looking to bash things will always find ways to twist things to make anything in a game out to be terrible.

I didn't say stamina systems are meant to deal with addiction, I said they weren't there for that purpose, but other people always try to claim the system is there for such reasons, such as the person in this thread whom I quoted. You claim I said a whole lot of nothing, but based on that response, you didn't read what I said, so as a result you made an irrelevant response.

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I was just shortening what you already said man...calm down. I dont agree that there is an "intended" method of playing however. Stamina is there to strong arm a majority of the players to the cash shop. Game companies know that some people wont ever use their cash-shop but these guys are trying all different kinda ways to make you uncomfortable enough to pay. Instead of making the game enjoyable enough that people want to pay. This game feel super outdated with its monitization practices.

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There is always an intended way to play a game, and it's made obvious by what provides the lowest form of resistance, while the ways you have difficulty with would not be the intended way. Take shooters, most allow for melee attacks, but trying to play one as a brawler/hack n' slash game won't work nearly as well, and isn't nearly as supported as playing using ranged weapons, which is why they are classed as shooters. As I said, by playing multiple characters, and not always trying blast through content as quickly as possible, I've always had more available play time, than I needed, or even more than 24 hours of potential play time in a day. Furthermore there tends to be bonus systems, and/or shared grinds that are best, or only done using multiple characters, which again points to that be the intended way of playing. Finally, at least in the past when people complained about these systems, publishers/developers would always tell people to play more than one character.

You're trying to push your "it's only there to make money" argument through the various posts here. But as I said, anything in online games can be used to make money if a company wanted to. Then you completely ignore what others say as you don't want to agree with it, since you don't want to play how these games were made t

It's pretty clear from the cash shop how they want the game to be played. There is no real reason to make people play a certain way unless you want them to spend money.

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You said a whole lot of nothing. The energy is to limit so they can dig in your pocket when you are tired of farming their coins.

If it was for addiction they would make energy account based and not allowed you to purchase energy.

I've played games like this with a stamina system for many years, and since I do play them in the manner that was intended, even when the game does sell stamina potions, I've never bought any, and have been able to do long binge play sessions when I want to. Then anything in a game can be used to turn a profit, just look at the growing number online games that sells equipment, and/or the materials to make/upgrade it, or even levels/XP, when they can in turn decrease drop rates, and/or increase the volume of materials/XP required, I've seen it happen. Defenders will always find ways to make anything in the cash shop supposedly acceptable, while those looking to bash things will always find ways to twist things to make anything in a game out to be terrible.

I didn't say stamina systems are meant to deal with addiction, I said they weren't there for that purpose, but other people always try to claim the system is there for such reasons, such as the person in this thread whom I quoted. You claim I said a whole lot of nothing, but based on that response, you didn't read what I said, so as a result you made an irrelevant response.

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I was just shortening what you already said man...calm down. I dont agree that there is an "intended" method of playing however. Stamina is there to strong arm a majority of the players to the cash shop. Game companies know that some people wont ever use their cash-shop but these guys are trying all different kinda ways to make you uncomfortable enough to pay. Instead of making the game enjoyable enough that people want to pay. This game feel super outdated with its monitization practices.

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There is always an intended way to play a game, and it's made obvious by what provides the lowest form of resistance, while the ways you have difficulty with would not be the intended way. Take shooters, most allow for melee attacks, but trying to play one as a brawler/hack n' slash game won't work nearly as well, and isn't nearly as supported as playing using ranged weapons, which is why they are classed as shooters. As I said, by playing multiple characters, and not always trying blast through content as quickly as possible, I've always had more available play time, than I needed, or even more than 24 hours of potential play time in a day. Furthermore there tends to be bonus systems, and/or shared grinds that are best, or only done using multiple characters, which again points to that be the intended way of playing. Finally, at least in the past when people complained about these systems, publishers/developers would always tell people to play more than one character.

You're trying to push your "it's only there to make money" argument through the various posts here. But as I said, anything in online games can be used to make money if a company wanted to. Then you completely ignore what others say as you don't want to agree with it, since you don't want to play how these games were made t

It's pretty clear from the cash shop how they want the game to be played. There is no real reason to make people play a certain way unless you want them to spend money.

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Learn how to quote properly. The current cash shop isn't selling ANYTHING for money, everything in it is 100% free, making it basically just an event, so you can't draw any such conclusions from it, yet you just keep railing against the price of things, and what they're selling, when they're not even charging for anything. There's various games in this genre which don't sell stamina potions, those would only be obtained from in-game content, and/or events, from what I understand, SoulWorker in other regions is one of those games. Also yet once again, I've never had to even once buy stamina/energy/whatever for one of these games, as I do play alts, so can have more hours of play available, than there are hours in the day.

Then your prior claim that you were just shortening what I said was just as much utter nonsense. You started that post off by insulting my post, followed that by responding with your claims that "it's all about making money," and followed that with what you claimed was just shortening what I said, when you instead commented about how if it was there to limit addiction, it'd be an account bound system, when I didn't even say that, which means you can't claim it was an abbreviation. It makes no sense at all to claim you were shortening my post, it instead was clear that like so many others, you just didn't read a post, yet still insist on responding to what you think it said.

If you hate stamina systems so much, don't play game with them, stick to those grindathon games that can also sell you the stuff you're suppose to be grinding for, and can try to manipulate things to get people to do so. You just seem completely incapable of admitting you could be wrong about anything, and have absolute tunnel vision regarding this insistence that the system is all about forcing people to spend money. If you respond with more of the same, I just won't waste my time in responding.

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I've played games like this with a stamina system for many years, and since I do play them in the manner that was intended, even when the game does sell stamina potions, I've never bought any, and have been able to do long binge play sessions when I want to. Then anything in a game can be used to turn a profit, just look at the growing number online games that sells equipment, and/or the materials to make/upgrade it, or even levels/XP, when they can in turn decrease drop rates, and/or increase the volume of materials/XP required, I've seen it happen. Defenders will always find ways to make anything in the cash shop supposedly acceptable, while those looking to bash things will always find ways to twist things to make anything in a game out to be terrible.

I didn't say stamina systems are meant to deal with addiction, I said they weren't there for that purpose, but other people always try to claim the system is there for such reasons, such as the person in this thread whom I quoted. You claim I said a whole lot of nothing, but based on that response, you didn't read what I said, so as a result you made an irrelevant response.

I was just shortening what you already said man...calm down. I dont agree that there is an "intended" method of playing however. Stamina is there to strong arm a majority of the players to the cash shop. Game companies know that some people wont ever use their cash-shop but these guys are trying all different kinda ways to make you uncomfortable enough to pay. Instead of making the game enjoyable enough that people want to pay. This game feel super outdated with its monitization practices.

There is always an intended way to play a game, and it's made obvious by what provides the lowest form of resistance, while the ways you have difficulty with would not be the intended way. Take shooters, most allow for melee attacks, but trying to play one as a brawler/hack n' slash game won't work nearly as well, and isn't nearly as supported as playing using ranged weapons, which is why they are classed as shooters. As I said, by playing multiple characters, and not always trying blast through content as quickly as possible, I've always had more available play time, than I needed, or even more than 24 hours of potential play time in a day. Furthermore there tends to be bonus systems, and/or shared grinds that are best, or only done using multiple characters, which again points to that be the intended way of playing. Finally, at least in the past when people complained about these systems, publishers/developers would always tell people to play more than one character.

You're trying to push your "it's only there to make money" argument through the various posts here. But as I said, anything in online games can be used to make money if a company wanted to. Then you completely ignore what others say as you don't want to agree with it, since you don't want to play how these games were made t

It's pretty clear from the cash shop how they want the game to be played. There is no real reason to make people play a certain way unless you want them to spend money.

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Learn how to quote properly. The current cash shop isn't selling ANYTHING for money, everything in it is 100% free, making it basically just an event, so you can't draw any such conclusions from it, yet you just keep railing against the price of things, and what they're selling, when they're not even charging for anything. There's various games in this genre which don't sell stamina potions, those would only be obtained from in-game content, and/or events, from what I understand, SoulWorker in other regions is one of those games. Also yet once again, I've never had to even once buy stamina/energy/whatever for one of these games, as I do play alts, so can have more hours of play available, than there are hours in the day.

Then your prior claim that you were just shortening what I said was just as much utter nonsense. You started that post off by insulting my post, followed that by responding with your claims that "it's all about making money," and followed that with what you claimed was just shortening what I said, when you instead commented about how if it was there to limit addiction, it'd be an account bound system, when I didn't even say that, which means you can't claim it was an abbreviation. It makes no sense at all to claim you were shortening my post, it instead was clear that like so many others, you just didn't read a post, yet still insist on responding to what you think it said.

If you hate stamina systems so much, don't play game with them, stick to those grindathon games that can also sell you the stuff you're suppose to be grinding for, and can try to manipulate things to get people to do so. You just seem completely incapable of admitting you could be wrong about anything, and have absolute tunnel vision regarding this insistence that the system is all about forcing people to spend money. If you respond with more of the same, I just won't waste my time in responding

Listen man I wanna say is this. Its not about be right or wrong its about facts. I like the combat and anime feel of the game but the way they choose to monetize is kinda sad. I wouldnt have a problem supporting a f2p that doesnt make it painful to play. Like for instance why did they take out the gear appearance? could it be that is why there is no appearance preview? They did that so you would want to buy a costume for 20+ dollars. There are alot of f2p that offer armors that have appearances but still offer cash shop outfits.

Also the EP system may not be a problem for you but its definitely an issue. I would be fine with it if it didnt reset. I mean what is the point of buying energy when they can take it away from you. I wasnt looking to fight with you and I see your side the argument but hope that you can see they dont need to make the game painful to make a profit.

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The only people worried about this are no-lifers anyway.....

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What makes you say that?

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The only people worried about this are no-lifers anyway.....

What makes you say that?

Because i played all day on Saturday and never came close to running out of energy. If you're running out you're not doing anything else with your life.

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The only people worried about this are no-lifers anyway.....

What makes you say that?

Because i played all day on Saturday and never came close to running out of energy. If you're running out you're not doing anything else with your life.

If you are doing high level content it takes alot more energy. Plus the rng for items makes it very energy intensive. So they charge you for energy..then place in ridiculous rng to make you use it all...then they take it away from on a reset. It's bull man...doesn't have anything to do with no life.