The Stamina Issue (merged topics)

    i mean theres nothing worse then saying to a player u wanna play ? F*** you u not everybody wants to make all the characters (i would eventually sure) i an many others want to focus on 1 character not all of them at once

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    could i play all day? like on one character.

    You know, if you had time to play all day on one character, then you'll certainly have time to level up multiple of the same class, then simply use the banksharing feature to swap all the gear to another alt before continuing playing. It's a very minor inconvenience and whenever I see people making the excuse that "I don't want alts", it sounds like a very bad excuse considering how easy it would be for them to spend some more time leveling alts for a week (that's all it takes to reach level cap), then use the bank sharing feature to bypass the FP limits, especially since they'd be willing to spend much time playing on 1 character anyway if they could, so spending that time instead on leveling alts for a week shouldn't be a problem for them, right?

    how do you know that you can swap gear around? i havnt seen any reason to assume thats the case.

    It's been known for weeks, and confirmed by GF CM.

    could ya maybe get me a link? id love to see honestly.

    You should have joined Nekavrad's unofficial NA/EU SW discord, lel. It was posted there a month ago.


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    "however if you have for example a costume bounded to your lily it cant be used by your haru,



    bruh thats the opposite of what your claiming. it says bound items cant be traded. not only did you say gear could be swapped but costumes as well, so we know your wrong about costumes, probably gear also.

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    Sir, this simply means that you cannot equip a Lily costume on Haru character. That's because costumes are class-specific. Most gear is not. That's why you can bank share your gear and equip it on alts. You can do that for weapons too, if you have multiple of the same class on your account. It's a no-brainer that you cannot equip a Haru costume on Lily or a Haru weapon on Lily. But you can do that with armors, weapons and costumes for the same character.


    I've been using this bank share function in KR servers and it works wonderfully.


    You can even bank share your AR Cards, Brooches and most other items. That's why I still believe it's not that big of an obstacle for people to level up multiple of the same class, then bank share all their gear through bank. If someone has enough dedication to play 8 hours on a single character (if there was no FP limit), then he certainly has the time to level up 4 characters a day (at launch you can make only 4 characters per account) for a week (that's how long it takes to reach level cap).


    People are being so inflexible, it's not even funny. It's not such a big obstacle to tough it up for one week and repeat the leveling process on 4 characters, then enjoy playing on 4 of the same character and being able to swap all important gear/items between them. It's a minor inconvenience that people should learn to cope with. The chances of FP system being drastically different from all other versions of the game is very slim. It's better to accept the minor inconvenience at start, rather than keep complaining about stuff you can't change.


    Having 4 of the same characters and swapping stuff through shared bank is almost the same as having 1 character with 800 FP per day. Sure, you'll waste 3 minutes each time you have to put your stuff in bank, then equip it on another character, but it's not such a big deal if you're going to be playing 6-8 hours per day anyway. Learn to cope with it. You can still enjoy the game to about 90% of what you would have enjoyed it if you had just 1 character with no FP limit. It's not such a big deal, stop crying about it.


    This post is targeted at the general populace, not at anyone specific.

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    hmm we'll see and how long did you play a day?

    around 8 hours a week day and weekends almost all day

    that a better amount then i thought. i can live with that lol. (would love all day every day too)

    yes and general populace wouldn't accept what you said to do. and it not the same at all. most people hate stamia systems for a reason. it stupid and useless.

    I think the CM has confused the gear with materials. There is hardly any game where you can swap around gear between characters. If that’s the case then it will lose a lot of players tbh. You can just constantly farm raids with no effort/cost at all. This would be clearly a really bad move on all parts. I believe gear is bound by character and not account, just dependable on certain things maybe in the character that can be transferred. If +9 gear can be transferred this game is GG

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    I love how some people actually ignore the intelligent statements and logical explanations that's been made in the thread by experienced members of the community and just say it's stupid cause they don't like it

    it is stupid and nobody how can u justify a company saying no you can only play for 2-3H a day making several characters or as ice suggested making the same character and swapping gear 24/7 is just dumb the point of MMO's is progression not doing the same thing over and over again


    hopefully the people running NA ver will be smart about it and change it or remove it all together unless they want a dead game like closers and kritika

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    I love how some people actually ignore the intelligent statements and logical explanations that's been made in the thread by experienced members of the community and just say it's stupid cause they don't like it

    that sums it really well.
    if bank sharing indeed comes in NA/EU, there's no reason for ppl really to complain about it honestly.. esp if there's no bank share fee coming with it

    also that argument of playing 30mins a day without using VITAMINS (hey remember when I mentioned about the item that gives you FP? owait nobody bothered reading that) only mostly concerns end game dungeons/primal that takes 2-6mins to run and gives minimal money. If you run through casual raids, trust me, you will spend more than 30mins clearing your FP, just like GC takes 8mins minimum with a really well geared party and lots of bpp (Big Puppet) A.R. key card in jp server which obviously won't be the same at the start of the new servers.

    really, I don't see what you guys are arguing for at this point. We aren't saying that it's fixes the FP issue, but trust me, you don't want the servers filled with millions of bots that can run the contents endlessly.
    and.. if you aren't willing to make alts, it's shows that you aren't dedicated at ALL to the game.

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    We'll be using the same bank share system as KR/TW servers use. I've tested it personally in both KR/TW and yes, you can bankshare even +9 equipment to another alt and wear it (as long as it's for the same class). Everything of importance to the gameplay can be bankshared. The probability of them adjusting this bank system in any way is very small. It would be too much effort for (literally) making the players' experience more difficult.


    The only reason JP system doesn't have bank sharing, is because JP server was the first server to launch and they didn't implement this bank share system from the start. They have promised later on to implement bank sharing in JP, but due to many difficulties they didn't (mostly the fact that people had stuff in their personal banks on each character, so the total number of items in their banks would exceed the maximum capacity of a shared bank; there are, of course, solutions to this problem, like they did in Tera with a temporary second bank, but Liongames probably decided it's not worth their time to spend work hours on doing that, so in the end they left off JP server without bank share system; to counterbalance the fact that JP system doesn't have bank share, they made JP server's rates for god-tier RNG items from cash shop higher than on other servers, as well as JP having slightly better enhance rates than other servers, based on a limited collection of personal experiences from players I know).

    especially that we're getting the limited version of the raids,which can be cleared thrice each but cost 10 fp If i remember well,so you basically have to run 12 raids and 4 times the last dungeon of the game on expert,only doing the 3 iron castle runs(30 fp total) should take about an hour without primals/golden citadel gears lol,and thats to clear the base 200 daily fp,not including the extra 150 fp you can get from juices daily and the 100 fp event juice you'll probably end up stacking,+ if you skip a day you'll have an extra 50% fp to spend the next day which will probably happen often for the casual players complaining here

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    Guild Leader: its raid time

    Guild memebers: were out of stamina

    Guild leader: oh guess no raid then stamina systems are the best

    guild leader: it's raid time
    guild members: we're out of FP but OH WAIT, WE CAN USE VITAMIN Z THAT GIVES 100 FP AND HAS NO LIMITS ON DAILY USE! and also use the 50 FP vitamin pack x3 if needed
    guild leader: yay let's raid


    kthxbai

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    It would be nice if people would actually try the game before making complaints about the systems involved,I mean.I don't see anyone who's actually experienced with the game making complaints about it in here,just assumptions from people who never or barely played.

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    It would be nice if people would actually try the game before making complaints about the systems involved,I mean.I don't see anyone who's actually experienced with the game making complaints about it in here,just assumptions from people who never or barely played.

    that makes no difference everyone knows what a stamina system is

    Guild Member: thought this was a MMO not a mobile game

    This bank share has me titled. Makes no sense, also makes it so that you make no effort in making alts (only leveling). Then again AR cards can’t be transferred, but still....

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    It would be nice if people would actually try the game before making complaints about the systems involved,I mean.I don't see anyone who's actually experienced with the game making complaints about it in here,just assumptions from people who never or barely played.

    that makes no difference everyone knows what a stamina system is

    thanks for proving us you're a troll account ;)

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    This bank share has me titled. Makes no sense, also makes it so that you make no effort in making alts (only leveling). Then again AR cards can’t be transferred, but still....

    AR Cards can be transferred to alts via bank, pretty sure I noted it before in this thread.

    You can assume everything of value or importance can be bank-shared. That's the way it has been in other servers and will most likely not change here.