I find it funny, that all the points listed here seem totally in favor of Gameforge. No idea, how do you reach the opposite conclusion with the the stuff just listed. That would be a game for like 2days, considering how casual and very easy it is even at Gameforge...
Gameforge vs JP server [UPDATED 2018.3.11]
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Btw, this comparison was created to let players know about different approaches here and there. It's all my intentions. Players must understand that GF can change a lot of things, that publisher is not only doing a translation and that JP publisher is doing everything in a much better way.
QuotePlese, consider this topic as created for INFO purposes and all of the conclusions are IMHO.
Buddy, your original post and what you're saying now is pretty different.
If you liked the game, I recommend you to move to JP server.
Even that "recommended" is different from what the post was saying yesterday, lol.
You say the comparison is just to inform, but providing a recommendation automatically removes neutrality.
And that stuff like XP books? Way more priced shop? Nothing at all?
Exp books being sold don't matter, they are a shortcut. People hit 55 before cash shop even opened. Its possible without a single exp book if you really want it.
The cash shop is priced pretty on par with other f2p cash shop prices, except for hairstyles. There have been worse publishers like Nexon and Trion that cashgrab way harder.
You are "recommending" me to move to JP server because of more freebies and getting shit easier with less effort, which isn't gamebreaking nor does it ruin my core game experience. But you just casually disregard the actual major issue of ping, which DOES screw my experience more thoroughly than the nonsense you listed, because I can't even survive Bunker Bot's ass slam in JP since I dodged but the server didn't believe me.
While I think only a small number of your listed points even begin to have merit, you are definitely right to list it, if the purpose is to inform and to get Gameforge to do something about it. But telling us that we should abandon the western version and play the JP version makes your list seem less about information and more like you complaining about how Gameforge isn't coddling you the way Hangame does.
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Btw, this comparison was created to let players know about different approaches here and there. It's all my intentions. Players must understand that GF can change a lot of things, that publisher is not only doing a translation and that JP publisher is doing everything in a much better way.
QuotePlese, consider this topic as created for INFO purposes and all of the conclusions are IMHO.
Buddy, your original post and what you're saying now is pretty different.
If you liked the game, I recommend you to move to JP server.
Even that "recommended" is different from what the post was saying yesterday, lol.
You say the comparison is just to inform, but providing a recommendation automatically removes neutrality.
And that stuff like XP books? Way more priced shop? Nothing at all?
Exp books being sold don't matter, they are a shortcut. People hit 55 before cash shop even opened. Its possible without a single exp book if you really want it.
The cash shop is priced pretty on par with other f2p cash shop prices, except for hairstyles. There have been worse publishers like Nexon and Trion that cashgrab way harder.
You are "recommending" me to move to JP server because of more freebies and getting shit easier with less effort, which isn't gamebreaking nor does it ruin my core game experience. But you just casually disregard the actual major issue of ping, which DOES screw my experience more thoroughly than the nonsense you listed, because I can't even survive Bunker Bot's ass slam in JP since I dodged but the server didn't believe me.
While I think only a small number of your listed points even begin to have merit, you are definitely right to list it, if the purpose is to inform and to get Gameforge to do something about it. But telling us that we should abandon the western version and play the JP version makes your list seem less about information and more like you complaining about how Gameforge isn't coddling you the way Hangame does.
QuoteBut telling us that we should abandon the western version and play the JP version
"recommend" isn't "you should".
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Even that "recommended" is different from what the post was saying yesterday, lol.Oh, very interesting. I can paste a screenshot of every previous version of the post to prove that you're wrong.
Quotebut providing a recommendation automatically removes neutrality.
As I said in the post: all of the conclusions are IMHO.
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Exp books being sold don't matter, they are a shortcut. People hit 55 before cash shop even opened. Its possible without a single exp book if you really want it.We're talking not about the possibility there, but about their existence at all. And there is the book for drop chance which is more 'p2w' that EXP book.
QuoteThe cash shop is priced pretty on par with other f2p cash shop prices
But this is not proving that prices are all good. If everything everywhere is overpriced, it doesn't become "all is good". It only shows that other games have problems with prices too.
QuoteYou are "recommending" me to move to JP server because of more freebies and getting shit easier with less effort
I 'recommending' to do it because of JP publisher is more player oriented, and GF is more money grab oriented.
QuoteBut you just casually disregard the actual major issue of ping,
I said about ping, and not everyone has this issue.
Honestly, I don't want to speak with someone who tries to disregard me & my opinion by lying that post is changed much from yesterday.
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1. "recommend" isn't "you should".
2. Oh, very interesting. I can paste a screenshot of every previous version of the post to prove that you're wrong.
3. As I said in the post: all of the conclusions are IMHO.
4. We're talking not about the possibility there, but about their existence at all. And there is the book for drop chance which is more 'p2w' that EXP book.
5. But this is not proving that prices are all good. If everything everywhere is overpriced, it doesn't become "all is good". It only shows that other games have problems with prices too.
6. I 'recommending' to do it because of JP publisher is more player oriented, and GF is more money grab oriented.
7. I said about ping, and not everyone has this issue.
8. Honestly, I don't want to speak with someone who tries to disregard me & my opinion by lying that post is changed much from yesterday.
1. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/recommend
Lets not mince words here, recommend is endorsing a particular choice or course of action. You are saying that playing the JP server is a course of action endorsed by you. If this is not what you meant, then your post is wrong.
2. No need, I don't really remember; whether you were recommending yesterday or you did or did not change the wording in the 6 times you edited the post doesn't change the fact you're suggesting we should give up on Gameforge and play hangame's Soulworker instead.
3. You said "Btw, this comparison was created to let players know about different approaches here and there. It's all my intentions." There were similar threads to this existing on the forum long before you posted; your intentions are unnecessary.
4. Exp books and drop chance are not p2w. They are pay to save time. A free player can hit the same level cap and get the same drops as a paying player; there is no unfairness there if someone pays real money out their pocket to make things easier, it just shows how much the game is worth to them.
5. Why should Gameforge sell stuff for less money than other games when they see them succeeding? Your point might be a good topic if addressing the future of f2p in mmos, but its completely irrelevant here. The real problem is how much less Soulcash NA gets for its money compared to EU, not the actual item Soulcash prices.
6. You are recommending players not in the JP region to find means outside the policies, to access a foreign server to play in a region that they technically are not allowed to be. The only reason IP blocks have been removed from JP is because they needed a player influx, or hangame wants to make money off foreigners.
7. You gave a one line comment about ping. You are making it seem like a pretty small point against all the other points you made supporting JP, but I am saying that its a pretty big deal period. For the people who do experience sizeable desync, its enough to make it a bigger issue than all your problems with Gameforge combined.
8. Yes, I disregard you completely. There's a saying that goes "the grass is always greener on the other side" that you represent perfectly. I really couldn't care less what you posted yesterday, the fact remains its my opinion that your opinion is full of shit. To each their own I suppose.
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1. "recommend" isn't "you should".
2. Oh, very interesting. I can paste a screenshot of every previous version of the post to prove that you're wrong.
3. As I said in the post: all of the conclusions are IMHO.
4. We're talking not about the possibility there, but about their existence at all. And there is the book for drop chance which is more 'p2w' that EXP book.
5. But this is not proving that prices are all good. If everything everywhere is overpriced, it doesn't become "all is good". It only shows that other games have problems with prices too.
6. I 'recommending' to do it because of JP publisher is more player oriented, and GF is more money grab oriented.
7. I said about ping, and not everyone has this issue.
8. Honestly, I don't want to speak with someone who tries to disregard me & my opinion by lying that post is changed much from yesterday.
1. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/recommend
Lets not mince words here, recommend is endorsing a particular choice or course of action. You are saying that playing the JP server is a course of action endorsed by you. If this is not what you meant, then your post is wrong.
2. No need, I don't really remember; whether you were recommending yesterday or you did or did not change the wording in the 6 times you edited the post doesn't change the fact you're suggesting we should give up on Gameforge and play hangame's Soulworker instead.
3. You said "Btw, this comparison was created to let players know about different approaches here and there. It's all my intentions." There were similar threads to this existing on the forum long before you posted; your intentions are unnecessary.
4. Exp books and drop chance are not p2w. They are pay to save time. A free player can hit the same level cap and get the same drops as a paying player; there is no unfairness there if someone pays real money out their pocket to make things easier, it just shows how much the game is worth to them.
5. Why should Gameforge sell stuff for less money than other games when they see them succeeding? Your point might be a good topic if addressing the future of f2p in mmos, but its completely irrelevant here. The real problem is how much less Soulcash NA gets for its money compared to EU, not the actual item Soulcash prices.
6. You are recommending players not in the JP region to find means outside the policies, to access a foreign server to play in a region that they technically are not allowed to be. The only reason IP blocks have been removed from JP is because they needed a player influx, or hangame wants to make money off foreigners.
7. You gave a one line comment about ping. You are making it seem like a pretty small point against all the other points you made supporting JP, but I am saying that its a pretty big deal period. For the people who do experience sizeable desync, its enough to make it a bigger issue than all your problems with Gameforge combined.
8. Yes, I disregard you completely. There's a saying that goes "the grass is always greener on the other side" that you represent perfectly. I really couldn't care less what you posted yesterday, the fact remains its my opinion that your opinion is full of shit. To each their own I suppose.
I agree that I should've written something like "Will be good if GF change some things like HG did" instead of just recommendation to play on JP server.
But mate, let's cut our vague before it's out of control.
Somewhere I'm wrong, somewhere you're wrong, somewhere we're both wrong. We have our own opinions, don't you think that we shouldn't try to change them just because we cant agreed?
Btw, maybe I've chosen the wrong way to practice English (my native languages are Ukrainian and Russian), and it's the reason why I wrote not wholly neutral topic & started a vague with you.
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I agree that I should've written something like "Will be good if GF change some things like HG did" instead of just recommendation to play on JP server.
But mate, let's cut our vague before it's out of control.
Somewhere I'm wrong, somewhere you're wrong, somewhere we're both wrong. We have our own opinions, don't you think that we shouldn't try to change them just because we cant agreed?
Btw, maybe I've chosen the wrong way to practice English (my native languages are Ukrainian and Russian), and it's the reason why I wrote not wholly neutral topic & started a vague with you.
Nah you're right bro, it got outta hand. I agree if Gameforge goes and implenents things like JP did, it would be a good thing. I just wouldn't count on it unless Liongames forced them to do it.
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If it wasn't for ping related issues on a fast paced action game, I would be in JP. No question or contest there.
Main reasons being the near criminal conduct being done on cash shop currency prices.
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"just don't die" yeah when bosses can 1 hit you
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"just don't die" yeah when bosses can 1 hit you
Y-you just gotta watch 'em closely. Stare 'em down real' good! They'll never be able 'ta surprise you.
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Ill never understand why gamers are so quick to argue against their own interests as consumers...
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Ill never understand why gamers are so quick to argue against their own interests as consumers...
Sunk cost fallacy? Many people were soooooo hyped and emotionally invested in this game.
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1. You're really complaining about having hard time to level up? I swear players nowaday won't be satisfied until they can hit level cap in a single day.
2.From playing both I'm pretty sure drop rate are the same?
3.Don't care enough to verify
4.JP used to have a shitty daily login schedule like we do right now.
5.3 daily respawn wasn't a thing on japan until recently.
6. You can store up to 600 energy here as well?
7.Dont't you think you're exagerating with your 8x less? Apart of costumes which are about 2x the price, the rest is pretty much at 1.5x
8. Who give @edit? nobody buys them anyway? and even if people did buy them, 50%(or whatever it is) more exp for 1-2 hours, P2W AF? lel? pretty much the same for gold books, the money you drop from dungeon is irrelevant, if you actually played before shitposting you'd know.
9. I thought you weren't satisfied with the daily logins reward?
10. This isn't the jp version but the kr version?
Anyway, just a dose of salt from a player who played both versions for an extended period, don't mind me
Edit by 25arp26, Obscene language
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1. You're really complaining about having hard time to level up? I swear players nowaday won't be satisfied until they can hit level cap in a single day.
I personally feel leveling could do with a lot better pacing currently i don't find it hard (contrary to what people think) i find it to be really boring and wish it was paced better story wise.
7.Dont't you think you're exagerating with your 8x less? Apart of costumes which are about 2x the price, the rest is pretty much at 1.5x.
Out of curiosity are you using EU or NA pricing cause while the item itself could be the same the amount you have to spend to get the amount of soul cash need in each country is different. Obviously 8x is an exaggeration but is it still about 2x the price when you take soul cash conversion into account?
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I'm pretty sure the OP has jumped off the ship like a month ago.
But yeah he pretty much want this game to be served on a plate.
I would pretty much jump off ship if anything he mentioned gets implemented just due to sheer boredom
I personally feel leveling could do with a lot better pacing currently i don't find it hard (contrary to what people think) i find it to be really boring and wish it was paced better story wise.
The pacing is fine when it comes to grinding your way to cap. The problem here is doing sidequests give just as much as grinding on manic mode of that district. They ought to bump up those exp rewards by 3x or 5x. Soo not worth deviating from story quest.
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10. This isn't the jp version but the kr version?
Yes, we have the Kr version (Well a little changed). For developers Koreans, and they decide what kind of server should be on the EU.
And do not compare the JP server with the EU. The first couple of months, the Japanese server was also without content.
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The pacing is fine when it comes to grinding your way to cap. The problem here is doing sidequests give just as much as grinding on manic mode of that district. They ought to bump up those exp rewards by 3x or 5x. Soo not worth deviating from story quest.
You already have to deviate from the story quests to reach level restrictions within each district (basically a story arc). For example Area 9 has 3 level restriction one to start the area, another for episodes 2 - 3 and another for episode 4, you are pretty much forced out of the district to achieve each level goal to continue the districts story. That is what i consider terrible pacing.
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JP Servers always felt sooo much satisfying for those who have a busy life (or like they say « isogashii seikatsu » (忙しい生活)), however there is personally no way I can remain on JP server for one good reason, the response time... Unless I can actually move there for work, I will remain on EU, for better and for worse, unfortunately the worse seems to happen too often...
Nevertheless, this version of SW feels frustrating, it is like they think of us as imbeciles who have no other ambitions in life than playing, and that the time spent will compensate the gap between our and asian version approach.
By the way, Lion Games used to have many Japanese developpers, apparently, is that true ?
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Hello Nekavrad!
Please avoid using any kind of obscene words.
thanks in advance
Regards,
Arp
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A fair amount of the changes people are seeing between the two were after a company change.
I will admit that the GF minor cosmetic items seem grossly overpriced in comparison, but costumes are close enough. I don't know what hair/eyes were like when the game was released, which is the only relevant comparison that can be made for price of them.
I purchased ・突き進む覚悟の鎖セット（リリー専用）：2250, white underwear, black hair, and some cheap promo item with $30us. The minor items were 100~400ish.
EP probably goes up to 600, mine went up to 525 during the half-cost period. I will note I don't ever recall the Jp resetting it to 200 at the end of the week.
Other than minor game related tweaks and it being an older version, it's the same thing. My only complaint would be give me my supporters so i can complain about them constantly running into me and standing in front of me so I can't move. So annoying, but I still miss them running to their "deaths". -
The rewards on the JP servers are indeed better, but their game has been released there for a good amount of time. I believe we are following the Korean path, however, I would greatly welcome the JP path of handling things.
