Gameforge vs JP server [UPDATED 2018.3.11]

    Well no need to debate this anymore, one thing that shut me off from JP server right away is no share bank inventory. That means u cant share ur gears and akasha throughout ur all other char.


    U can get Rita and Big Plastica on one char, and that akasha still stuck on that char only, since there is no Share inventory. And you are limited to only few transmitters obtain through daily login, like 2-3 transmitters on the 7th days of login. Instead in our server, we have alt farm that of course have limited me to only can delete char after 7 days, but just simply doing one alt = 7 akasha on first map 100% completion comparison to JP on the 7th day login reward = 2-3 akasha.


    Same goes in the future, where Aurith gears and Primal gears can be use by All Class - so all u need is craft weapon for each of those class, gears and accessory (just need one set) will be shared through share bank. (which JP doesn't have, every char has its own personal bank in JP server.)


    No share bank in JP server itself, more than enough to stop me from playing JP server. I am not going to go through other point in detail, such as language barrier, cash shop VPN needed, Ping issue, other cash shop items cant be sell in JP server (GF make mostly or almost all cash shop items can be sold in Market now), ETC.

    if i can add my opinion, to me the only things i would like improved would be the daily logins (that jp one seems very cool) and premium shop prices Q_Q, 5€ for just 500 points is to low, a good profitable premium shop needs to be affordable and have quantity, making it so people can easily consider buying 1 costume every month, or other stuff too, my opinion ofc but that's how i see it.

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    well yeah, GF can do what JP do, will probably profit them more. By having no share bank = u need to buy costume for even your alt if you are doin alt farming, even if ur alt is same class as ur main. And yeah, then give good daily logins with no share bank, so every char has its own daily login and more reward on daily login. right now, our benefit is that we can use akasha throughout all our character, and JP server can't. Since they bank is not share, so if u have Rita or big plastica on one char, it stuck there and ur other character don't have it. Good luck with that, if GF follow JP patch, i am so done with this game. lol


    Oohh and premium price, try live in JP and see their standard of living, then you will know why it's so cheap. =D

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    Oohh and premium price, try live in JP and see their standard of living, then you will know why it's so cheap. =D

    Standard of living is very high in Japan.


    This link shows average wages :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…countries_by_average_wage


    Japan is ranked 19th on this list, just slightly below France, UK, Sweden and Finland (ranked 14, 15, 16 and 17) and slightly ahead of Spain and Italy (20 and 21). It is well ahead of poorer EU countries like Poland, Greece, Portugal and Hungary.

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    Different business model, different culture, different player-base, etc. etc.


    JP players tend to spend on games they play from what I see, regardless of how many freebies they get. Or you could say; Give some free stuffs, to let them buy even more kind of thing?


    To be honest, I don't know how that model will work on NA/EN players.

    isn't that is exactly my point? bcoz their standard of living is higher, their cash shop is lower so people can buy stuff since they dont have that much extra money to afford gaming. Just like what Gamforge do, but GF do it differently. The poorer or the harder the standard of living, the more Soulcash they will get per top up. That's why even after they changes, US 100 dollars only get 17k Soulcash while Europe got 20k soulcash. Same concept.

    That makes no sense. The numbers listed is adjusted to their purchasing power (PPP), They have a high standard of living comparable to the west. Standard of living generally refers to the level of wealth and comfort in a region. Having a high standard of living means they live at a high level of wealth and comfort.


    Saying that a country that is wealthy "dont have that much extra money to afford gaming" makes no sense. Japan is somewhat smack in the middle of the wealth curve compared to countries in the west (NA/EU). They have a high standard of living that is comparable to the west.

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    well you were right, high standard of living generally refers to the level of wealth and comfort in a region. Having a high standard of living means they live at a high level of wealth and comfort. But in average overall their job got pay is a lot lower than US or EU. EU i can't be sure, but coming from asia country and hanging out with variety of asian i met. The standard of living there is not as good as the number or website said it is. Well i can't say much about the real society there unless i work there, all i heard is from ppl that immigrant from JP and so on.

    There are poor countries in Asia, but Japan is not one of them. Japan is somewhat smack in the middle of the wealth curve compared to countries in the west (NA/EU). They have a high standard of living that is comparable to the west.


    Refer to the link I posted before showing average wages :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…countries_by_average_wage


    They are ranked 19th on this list, just slightly below France, UK, Sweden and Finland (ranked 14, 15, 16 and 17) and slightly ahead of Spain and Italy (20 and 21). They are well ahead of poorer EU countries like Poland, Greece, Portugal and Hungary.

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    Yes they have good standard of living, but their cost of living is pretty damn high.


    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of…g/rankings_by_country.jsp


    Because their cost of living is so high that they barely have any left over amount of money to spend on hobby and entertainment. Yes Japan is is wealthy and good place to live thats why their standard of living is pretty high up there too.


    So is some of the Europe country has such a high cost of living, that's why GF give EU so much more SC compare to NA, which has lower cost of living and have a lot more money to spend overall.

    The numbers listed are PPP adjusted (Purchasing Power Parity) so costs are already taken into account.


    NA originally paid more due to an error which they have since corrected. They originally stated that differences in prices should only be due to conversion rates (which was not the case) and then later posted new rates for NA to be more consistent with EU :

    Premium Currency Adjustment in the USA and Canada


    Also, your own link shows Japan has a similar cost of living index to France and Sweden, and is also cheaper than Luxembourg. So what's the point?


    Trying to use a wealth and purchasing power argument to justify the difference in pricing is pointless since by that argument, Poland and Greece should have much lower prices than JP. The only real reason for the differences between JP and NA/EU prices is that they are run by 2 different publishers and GF wants to charge more while JP is satisfied with charging less.

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    Oohh and premium price, try live in JP and see their standard of living, then you will know why it's so cheap. =D


    They have much better standard of living nad much higher wages than you think.

    I don't know where you are living but tbh you are pretty ignorant.

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    Oohh and premium price, try live in JP and see their standard of living, then you will know why it's so cheap. =D


    They have much better standard of living nad much higher wages than you think.

    I don't know where you are living but tbh you are pretty ignorant.

    Well i am saying only people in JP will know, i used to lived in Malaysia, Taiwan, and then got friends that came from Korean. JP I only met a few, so like i said only ppl that live there will know. And from Japanese's family that came live in my homestay told me about the life in JP but how was it i have no idea since i never had any real time experience living there and working there.

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    Oohh and premium price, try live in JP and see their standard of living, then you will know why it's so cheap. =D


    They have much better standard of living nad much higher wages than you think.

    I don't know where you are living but tbh you are pretty ignorant.

    Well i am saying only people in JP will know, i used to lived in Malaysia, Taiwan, and then got friends that came from Korean. JP I only met a few, so like i said only ppl that live there will know. And from Japanese's family that came live in my homestay told me about the life in JP but how was it i have no idea since i never had any real time experience living there and working there.

    That's like saying you knew someone from the US who lived below the proverty line tell you how poor he was and therefore the US is a poor country with a low standard of living. Bottomline, you were wrong about Japan.

    that's why i said try live in JP and you will know, didn't I said that? whether it's cheap or not, will know once u live there. So if that is consider as ignorant, then I can't say much. And if people can come to US to study, most of them is not going to be in poverty in my opinion. Just like i said, i don't claim what i said it's 100% fact, i just state my opinion on how i look at it from my perspective and from the experience and knowledge i have living in other country before. It may not apply the same as JP but no body will truly know until they actually live and experience at JP. So you are telling me that you actually live in JP and know the life there?

    You don't need to live in a country to know that it's not poor. In much the same way you don't need to live in the US to know that it's not poor. There may be poor people in the country and even neighborhoods that are poor, but it doesn't mean the country itself is poor.


    I've given you plenty of sources to show you how wrong you are about Japan. Telling me you know someone who tells you otherwise is not a good counter-argument. That person can be as clueless as you.

    As more as I see more responses to this the more I ask myself. "Why does this matter again?" Like everyone is going at each others necks about which place is more broke than the other. Dont like something? Form a petition to change it. or complain about something till it gets changed, like the hair and SC prices. If it doesnt work or its not an idea with common sense. either you play the game as is, or leave. Battling each other over something that doesnt really effect a majority of us players way of living is pointless. Zzz.

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    As more as I see more responses to this the more I ask myself. "Why does this matter again?" Like everyone is going at each others necks about which place is more broke than the other. Dont like something? Form a petition to change it. or complain about something till it gets changed, like the hair and SC prices. If it doesnt work or its not an idea with common sense. either you play the game as is, or leave. Battling each other over something that doesnt really effect a majority of us players way of living is pointless. Zzz.

    It mattered because someone tried to imply that the reason for the price difference between JP and EU/NA is because Japan is a poor country and hence the lower prices, which is not true. Since this is a thread about JP vs GameForge and someone tries to justify one of those differences based on wrong info, I think it's appropriate to correct that info.

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    As more as I see more responses to this the more I ask myself. "Why does this matter again?" Like everyone is going at each others necks about which place is more broke than the other. Dont like something? Form a petition to change it. or complain about something till it gets changed, like the hair and SC prices. If it doesnt work or its not an idea with common sense. either you play the game as is, or leave. Battling each other over something that doesnt really effect a majority of us players way of living is pointless. Zzz.

    It mattered because someone tried to imply that the reason for the price difference between JP and EU/NA is because Japan is a poor country and hence the lower prices, which is not true. Since this is a thread about JP vs GameForge and someone tries to justify one of those differences based on wrong info, I think it's appropriate to correct that info.

    I wasnt talking about the point to begin with. Im talking about the post after the first 10 that got to the point and instead of being constructive and getting to the point, its becoming quite, questionable in the direction of this post. Unless the dyslexia is screwing me over (Which it probably is) Im pretty sure this got debunked already so I dont see why everything is getting more violent and everyone is "Wrong" because they used to live there/ or dont know but they google up digits or had a friend that lived there. I could be wrong but thats what I see. Like you saw me asking what is the point of this post, when I actual meant whats the point of the negativity and brutal responses from the more "later posts" than the beginning.

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    As more as I see more responses to this the more I ask myself. "Why does this matter again?" Like everyone is going at each others necks about which place is more broke than the other. Dont like something? Form a petition to change it. or complain about something till it gets changed, like the hair and SC prices. If it doesnt work or its not an idea with common sense. either you play the game as is, or leave. Battling each other over something that doesnt really effect a majority of us players way of living is pointless. Zzz.

    It mattered because someone tried to imply that the reason for the price difference between JP and EU/NA is because Japan is a poor country and hence the lower prices, which is not true. Since this is a thread about JP vs GameForge and someone tries to justify one of those differences based on wrong info, I think it's appropriate to correct that info.

    I wasnt talking about the point to begin with. Im talking about the post after the first 10 that got to the point and instead of being constructive and getting to the point, its becoming quite, questionable in the direction of this post. Unless the dyslexia is screwing me over (Which it probably is) Im pretty sure this got debunked already so I dont see why everything is getting more violent and everyone is "Wrong" because they used to live there/ or dont know but they google up digits or had a friend that lived there. I could be wrong but thats what I see. Like you saw me asking what is the point of this post, when I actual meant whats the point of the negativity and brutal responses from the more "later posts" than the beginning.

    Well not much to say anymore, all i am saying at the end is there is overhead cost for company hiring people and so on and a lot other factor that may changes the SC cost. But if they wanna say JP server is better go ahead, i already stated my point that simply no shared bank in JP server itself already a turn off for me. But again like all my post, those are my opinion, everyone has their own opinion and what they like. They like cheap SC, then go ahead and go to JP server. If they want GF to change the price of SC, then just ask GF to change it, which i doubt they will change it. Due to overhead cost and other cost they need for their company to make profit, a reasonable price is needed for our server.