Stamina (not fatigue) is pointless given this particular combat system

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i'm not saying we should encourage dodge spamming because that is just straight up bad design, so you are right in that we need some form of guard against that

but for any game that relies on a stamina system for restricting what actions a player may or may not do at any given time, any action the player makes requires stamina.

Not here. Here stamina is only used to prevent u from dodge spamming, and it feels like an afterthought. it's like they discovered it after everything else has already been implemented and thought "oh we need something to prevent players from dodge spamming so lets just quickly whip up something"

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Okay, well, what do you suggest they use to control dodge spam instead of stamina? Or are you saying you want every action to cost stamina?

You're saying it doesn't belong but I don't see your alternative.

With a certain two Akashas stamina becomes an afterthought and the game truly becomes fun and fast paced.

I play a diff game Dragon Nest, they have a CD on the dodge but most classes also had a few skills with iframes built in. For example the acrobat class is a squishy melee dps but if played correctly is invincible most of the time and can escape easily because they have more animation cancels and chain iframes together, while a slow class like a barbarian has SA buffs and damage reduction to facetank hits but fewer iframes. It's basically like a 3d Smash Bros, even has aerial recoveries. Technically running out of mana would make you not able to dodge until they changed to not cost mana.

But idk in Soulworker the boss animations are more awkward and harder to read than in Dragon Nest. You're expected to dash out of stuff with barely any time to react and even then a lot of stuff hits you anyway. Since the skills with iframes have really long CDs, you don't have the option to combo without touching shift. And you can't really chain skills in the same way as DN, where pressing another skill hotkey before the animation finishes can cancel the lag of the prior skill (depends on design/class, not every skill can be canceled). In SW the full animation will still cast before the next skill fires, so the dodge is the only way to animation cancel.

honestly most people find the stamina akasha cards a necessity to enjoy the combat is a bit sad, i do wish the recovery was higher or the cost reduced. It's definitely a lot easier to spam dodge with a stam card, but i guess it's also part of building your character and picking the right gear and investing in your passives. Also gives the "feeling of progression", from barely dodging novice to a capable fighter. i saw a KR player video and he spammed dodge not to survive, but to refine gameplay and chain skills faster

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Those two cards absolutely dumpster your worries about stamina.

Yeah, when you have them at level 3 hidden.... nobody other than heavy whales who've spent hundreds on akashas could reasonably afford even just one of those cards at this point in the game, even less 2 or more.

Not sure about raids but from what I have seen it only matters if you play solo. In a group other people will also take aggro so you won't be running out by any chance.

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For an alternative system. Look at the division. It doesnt have stamina. It does have a dodge roll. It has a cool down on the roll.

Just imagine it as a sprint bar for rolling, you get too low and you run out and can no longer sprint, its basically the same mechanic but they decided to add it to the dodge rolls instead.

I agree only in the case of Lily because she doesn't seem to have invulnerability frames on her basic dodge skill. I can spam it all day during all points of an attack and still get hit repeatedly. Basically, it's useless.

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Brb standing in front of a boss chaining skills and building energy as I eat attacks to the face.

LOL I laughed so hard at your comment XD

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Ok, maybe stamina isnt “pointless” - i used the wrong word here. I apologize for using a click bait-y title to generate discussion.

None the less, for those disagreeing with me - i would like you to point me examples in games where there is resource management solely for an evasion mechanic.

I cant think of any.

I mean look at monster hunter. It has stamina. Dodge uses stamina. But so does every action you do.

Look at dark souls. It has stamina. Dodge uses stamina. But so does every action you do. Also, for the hardcore pvpers complaining about exploiting dodge spamming. Roll catching is a thing - actually, lemme rephrase that, roll catching is a skill. Get familiar with it, get proficient with it, master it, and you will be punishing dirty roll spammers all day.

For an alternative system. Look at the division. It doesnt have stamina. It does have a dodge roll. It has a cool down on the roll.

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Vindictus is one example. And to be honest having stamina is 100% needed in games like this. Your dodge is so good as it literally makes you invincible for a set amount of time. If you remove stamina then you can spam that and be invincible forever. You might as well be hacking cause that's the same as having God Mode. And where is the fun in that? You just want to be permanently invincible and face tank things til they die? There is literally no difficulty in anything if your invincible like that. I think the stamina system is completely needed and needs to stay.

I feel like OP just baited everyone