I fail to see how this is pay2win. It doesn't make your stronger in any way. I swear people have over used "pay2win" so it has lost all meaning.
convenience isn't pay to win. If the VIP was something like 'Gain 15% ATK and 15% HP then that would be pay2win.
Don't give them any ideas 
I fail to see how this is pay2win. It doesn't make your stronger in any way. I swear people have over used "pay2win" so it has lost all meaning.
convenience isn't pay to win. If the VIP was something like 'Gain 15% ATK and 15% HP then that would be pay2win.Don't give them any ideas
One sec, need to add "Win the Game" to the package benefits.
You can also buy it with dzenai I don’t see the problem with the package, maybe a bit overpriced but could be worth it
the fact that gold doesnt remove the fatigue cap entirely is laughable.
"yeah you can literally pay for our game...”
Where am I putting words in your mouth?
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Display MoreThe argument is thaf if im paying a $20 subscription on a game i should be able to play it freely, you know, like you can in literally every other MMO. If youre okay with big daddy game forge dictating your free time then good for you, but dont go throwing around words you heard from mommy and daddy without understanding what you are defending.
Are you okay? This isn’t a subscription based game, this is optional.... you know that right?
and that point proves what exactly?
Your entire logic that your opinion is based off of is you thinking paying for an optional subscription is the same as “paying for the game”. It’s not. You aren’t buying a game, it is still a free to play game.
If anything your notion of “we should have no EP cap if I’m paying 20$”is outrageous, which is probably why nobody agrees with you.
But anyways this is pointless either way, you’re off to enjoy whatever new MMO you haven’t been disappointed by yet.
Again, no counter arguments, just "sorry, youre wrong" and putting words in my mouth.. and there are plenty of people who agree with me actually, just look how dead every other fatigue based mmo is and the fact that i cant convince a single person i know to play this game SIMPLY because of the fatigue system lmfao. Of course this game will have a niche community and guess where you'll find a lot of them? the forums. If you think discussing the longevity of a game you care for is pointless then idk what to tell you.
Compared to their launch numbers every MMO is “dead” so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say but okay.
And you’re not discussing the “longevity” of this game. This all started because you wanted more for your money. Lmao. I don’t see a single post in this thread from you that implies you give a shit about the future of this game and not what you think you deserve for 20 dollars a month.
Yeah it gives you extra EP and somehow you're supposed to have the time to grind for it? I don't see casual players getting this if they barely benefit from it. So really its for people who love the game and want to be VIP/support it, thats all. If people have money let them spend it
Well coming from Black Desert Online, this is a ridiculous price to pay for even "convenience" on a game that is of a much smaller scale. Short term I agree not p2w, long term it is def p2w on a player controlled market. We can only hope that some of this is offset with weekend events and such which I would welcome.
And to be honest with everyone here regardless of the p2w or not. It is ridiculously greedy to introduce such a mechanic during open beta, and less than 3 weeks into the game. Barley got the server fixes less than a week ago. I mean GOLD VIP= HAIRSTYLE? That haru hair better gimmie some of those extra rates then xD
If the VIP was something like 'Gain 15% ATK and 15% HP then that would be pay2win.
Too bad it'd be base stats so it'll be a perfect scam
That haru hair better gimmie some of those extra rates then xD
We grant you the hair for that price,but we don't grant you other things-Lions Gate Councilor to the Player Skywalker
I kind of expected a respawner each day or something too.
I kind of expected a respawner each day or something too.
HAHAHAHAH,jokes on you.No.We Bear Grills right now xd
Display Morethe fact that gold doesnt remove the fatigue cap entirely is laughable.
"yeah you can literally pay for our game...”
Where am I putting words in your mouth?
Display MoreDisplay MoreAre you okay? This isn’t a subscription based game, this is optional.... you know that right?
and that point proves what exactly?
Your entire logic that your opinion is based off of is you thinking paying for an optional subscription is the same as “paying for the game”. It’s not. You aren’t buying a game, it is still a free to play game.
If anything your notion of “we should have no EP cap if I’m paying 20$”is outrageous, which is probably why nobody agrees with you.
But anyways this is pointless either way, you’re off to enjoy whatever new MMO you haven’t been disappointed by yet.
Again, no counter arguments, just "sorry, youre wrong" and putting words in my mouth.. and there are plenty of people who agree with me actually, just look how dead every other fatigue based mmo is and the fact that i cant convince a single person i know to play this game SIMPLY because of the fatigue system lmfao. Of course this game will have a niche community and guess where you'll find a lot of them? the forums. If you think discussing the longevity of a game you care for is pointless then idk what to tell you.
Compared to their launch numbers every MMO is “dead” so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say but okay.
And you’re not discussing the “longevity” of this game. This all started because you wanted more for your money. Lmao. I don’t see a single post in this thread from you that implies you give a shit about the future of this game and not what you think you deserve for 20 dollars a month.
You dont see it because you only see what you want to see, that is how you are putting words in my mouth. If i didnt give a sht why would i be here on the forums fighting against it, id just fk off like everyone else did and play something else. There are countless free to play MMOs that set up restrictions and boundaries but later remove those restrictions marketed as a membership or VIP status. Once you purchase those statuses the game no longer becomes free to play as you are PAYING for your status in game. How you find it acceptable to have someone tell you to stop playing entirely after supporting them is beyond me, that model makes a certain desert related game even look good and thats beyond fked lmao.
It would seem that the silver membership, gold membership, and the "combined silver gold" are each their own package? Well, I'm not spending my money to check if you can get all 3.
I kind of expected a respawner each day or something too.
HAHAHAHAH,jokes on you.No.We Bear Grills right now xd
Oh just checked the shop myself. You get respawners when you buy it, not as a benefit.
The only real thing I'd like from this is the hidden transmitter, but I'm not paying around 20usd+ for 1 transmitter and a bunch of piddling use benefits.
Display MoreDisplay Morethe fact that gold doesnt remove the fatigue cap entirely is laughable.
"yeah you can literally pay for our game...”
Where am I putting words in your mouth?
Display MoreDisplay Moreand that point proves what exactly?
Your entire logic that your opinion is based off of is you thinking paying for an optional subscription is the same as “paying for the game”. It’s not. You aren’t buying a game, it is still a free to play game.
If anything your notion of “we should have no EP cap if I’m paying 20$”is outrageous, which is probably why nobody agrees with you.
But anyways this is pointless either way, you’re off to enjoy whatever new MMO you haven’t been disappointed by yet.
Again, no counter arguments, just "sorry, youre wrong" and putting words in my mouth.. and there are plenty of people who agree with me actually, just look how dead every other fatigue based mmo is and the fact that i cant convince a single person i know to play this game SIMPLY because of the fatigue system lmfao. Of course this game will have a niche community and guess where you'll find a lot of them? the forums. If you think discussing the longevity of a game you care for is pointless then idk what to tell you.
Compared to their launch numbers every MMO is “dead” so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say but okay.
And you’re not discussing the “longevity” of this game. This all started because you wanted more for your money. Lmao. I don’t see a single post in this thread from you that implies you give a shit about the future of this game and not what you think you deserve for 20 dollars a month.
You dont see it because you only see what you want to see, that is how you are putting words in my mouth. If i didnt give a sht why would i be here on the forums fighting against it, id just fk off like everyone else did and play something else. There are countless free to play MMOs that set up restrictions and boundaries but later remove those restrictions marketed as a membership or VIP status. Once you purchase those statuses the game no longer becomes free to play as you are PAYING for your status in game. How you find it acceptable to have someone tell you to stop playing entirely after supporting them is beyond me, that model makes a certain desert related game even look good and thats beyond fked lmao.
Mmmmmm yes certain Desert related game, back to afk fishing I go
The only real thing I'd like from this is the hidden transmitter, but I'm not paying around 20usd+ for 1 transmitter and a bunch of piddling use benefits.
Some ppl are paying 20$ for a hairstyle,so,yeah,you are making a wise decision
Well coming from Black Desert Online, this is a ridiculous price to pay for even "convenience" on a game that is of a much smaller scale. Short term I agree not p2w, long term it is def p2w on a player controlled market. We can only hope that some of this is offset with weekend events and such which I would welcome.
Aren't Value Packs like $30 for 30 days? I mean, it is a good deal for what it offers, at least. I'm still on my returner surplus of value packs atm
Well coming from Black Desert Online, this is a ridiculous price to pay for even "convenience" on a game that is of a much smaller scale. Short term I agree not p2w, long term it is def p2w on a player controlled market. We can only hope that some of this is offset with weekend events and such which I would welcome.
Aren't Value Packs like $30 for 30 days? I mean, it is a good deal for what it offers, at least. I'm still on my returner surplus of value packs atm
$15 for 30 days
Display MoreDisplay Morethe fact that gold doesnt remove the fatigue cap entirely is laughable.
"yeah you can literally pay for our game...”
Where am I putting words in your mouth?
Display MoreDisplay Moreand that point proves what exactly?
Your entire logic that your opinion is based off of is you thinking paying for an optional subscription is the same as “paying for the game”. It’s not. You aren’t buying a game, it is still a free to play game.
If anything your notion of “we should have no EP cap if I’m paying 20$”is outrageous, which is probably why nobody agrees with you.
But anyways this is pointless either way, you’re off to enjoy whatever new MMO you haven’t been disappointed by yet.
Again, no counter arguments, just "sorry, youre wrong" and putting words in my mouth.. and there are plenty of people who agree with me actually, just look how dead every other fatigue based mmo is and the fact that i cant convince a single person i know to play this game SIMPLY because of the fatigue system lmfao. Of course this game will have a niche community and guess where you'll find a lot of them? the forums. If you think discussing the longevity of a game you care for is pointless then idk what to tell you.
Compared to their launch numbers every MMO is “dead” so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say but okay.
And you’re not discussing the “longevity” of this game. This all started because you wanted more for your money. Lmao. I don’t see a single post in this thread from you that implies you give a shit about the future of this game and not what you think you deserve for 20 dollars a month.
You dont see it because you only see what you want to see, that is how you are putting words in my mouth. If i didnt give a sht why would i be here on the forums fighting against it, id just fk off like everyone else did and play something else. There are countless free to play MMOs that set up restrictions and boundaries but later remove those restrictions marketed as a membership or VIP status. Once you purchase those statuses the game no longer becomes free to play as you are PAYING for your status in game. How you find it acceptable to have someone tell you to stop playing entirely after supporting them is beyond me, that model makes a certain desert related game even look good and thats beyond fked lmao.
I literally quoted what YOU said and you still think I’m putting words in your mouth. My god, you have issues with being wrong don’t you?
Again, the only thing you have “given a shit” about is how much you think you deserve for your money.
Talking to you is actually giving me a headache. So I’m going to stop replying now. Enjoy your new mmo.
I'm waiting for the moment when GameForge just sells you Dzenai at a better rate than the gold seller bots.
Display MoreDisplay MoreDisplay Morethe fact that gold doesnt remove the fatigue cap entirely is laughable.
"yeah you can literally pay for our game...”
Where am I putting words in your mouth?
Display MoreYour entire logic that your opinion is based off of is you thinking paying for an optional subscription is the same as “paying for the game”. It’s not. You aren’t buying a game, it is still a free to play game.
If anything your notion of “we should have no EP cap if I’m paying 20$”is outrageous, which is probably why nobody agrees with you.
But anyways this is pointless either way, you’re off to enjoy whatever new MMO you haven’t been disappointed by yet.
Again, no counter arguments, just "sorry, youre wrong" and putting words in my mouth.. and there are plenty of people who agree with me actually, just look how dead every other fatigue based mmo is and the fact that i cant convince a single person i know to play this game SIMPLY because of the fatigue system lmfao. Of course this game will have a niche community and guess where you'll find a lot of them? the forums. If you think discussing the longevity of a game you care for is pointless then idk what to tell you.
Compared to their launch numbers every MMO is “dead” so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say but okay.
And you’re not discussing the “longevity” of this game. This all started because you wanted more for your money. Lmao. I don’t see a single post in this thread from you that implies you give a shit about the future of this game and not what you think you deserve for 20 dollars a month.
You dont see it because you only see what you want to see, that is how you are putting words in my mouth. If i didnt give a sht why would i be here on the forums fighting against it, id just fk off like everyone else did and play something else. There are countless free to play MMOs that set up restrictions and boundaries but later remove those restrictions marketed as a membership or VIP status. Once you purchase those statuses the game no longer becomes free to play as you are PAYING for your status in game. How you find it acceptable to have someone tell you to stop playing entirely after supporting them is beyond me, that model makes a certain desert related game even look good and thats beyond fked lmao.
I literally quoted what YOU said and you still think I’m putting words in your mouth. My god, you have issues with being wrong don’t you?
Again, the only thing you have “given a shit” about is how much you think you deserve for your money.
Talking to you is actually giving me a headache. So I’m going to stop replying now. Enjoy your new mmo.
jesus, in one ear out the other. wtf lmao.
LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU
you are MISINTERPRETING what i am telling you and PROJECTING what you feel onto MY words. I literally explained that to you and you continue to do it.
pack sucks not worth but good attempt 4/10 would rather set my money on fire xdxd
