The main point here is that this is not a bannable thing.
This has been possible on both Korean and Japanese servers ever since apparently, and we have it here as well.
Everyone just complains about EP system, then we have a way to waste less energy that is actually ALLOWED, and people start complaining about it as well?
Honestly, this is making close to zero sense.
Display MoreThe main point here is that this is not a bannable thing.
This has been possible on both Korean and Japanese servers ever since apparently, and we have it here as well.
Everyone just complains about EP system, then we have a way to waste less energy that is actually ALLOWED, and people start complaining about it as well?
Honestly, this is making close to zero sense.
Alright, lemme put this in a scenario for you from the other viewpoints side.
While doing exp conservation runs dying to the boss and leaving to get half your stamina back is infact an effective method.
Now picture you're going there for the other reason, you're trying to farm materials / gold gear from the boss and you're 55 so exp means nothing to you. You get three pugs from the autofinder all.. let's say 54 and are there for an exp run Two of them purposely die using the method the third seems to be in it for the drops.
Here's you're two outcomes.
You push through and complete the dungeon for a reduced chance at loot and drops, Right? You're out... say 20 stamina for the run.
You say "screw it this is a lost cause and a waste of time." Die to the boss with the other pug leave and try again. However you're now out 10 stamina (or energy) with no drops and all that time wasted.
EIther way the player in there looking for drops / materials for crafting gear is now screwed out of half the energy or the FULL energy cost and the price of potions for healing energy potions etc etc. And they get NOTHING of value from the run due to the deaths. They're taking a complete loss.
All I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for griefing. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.
All I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for griefing. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.
Summed up really well. Yes that's all there is to it.
In other words: Don't be a jerk, there is no excuse for that.
All I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for griefing. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.Summed up really well. Yes that's all there is to it.
In other words: Don't be a jerk, there is no excuse for that.
Basically, I don't want to see the players that are either A: too Naive Or B: Too selfish to realize that their actions will end up ruining that for EVERYONE Not just themselves lol.
How can using a game feature be a bannable offense? LMAO
Display MoreDisplay MoreThe main point here is that this is not a bannable thing.
This has been possible on both Korean and Japanese servers ever since apparently, and we have it here as well.
Everyone just complains about EP system, then we have a way to waste less energy that is actually ALLOWED, and people start complaining about it as well?
Honestly, this is making close to zero sense.
Alright, lemme put this in a scenario for you from the other viewpoints side.
While doing exp conservation runs dying to the boss and leaving to get half your stamina back is infact an effective method.
Now picture you're going there for the other reason, you're trying to farm materials / gold gear from the boss and you're 55 so exp means nothing to you. You get three pugs from the autofinder all.. let's say 54 and are there for an exp run Two of them purposely die using the method the third seems to be in it for the drops.
Here's you're two outcomes.
You push through and complete the dungeon for a reduced chance at loot and drops, Right? You're out... say 20 stamina for the run.
You say "screw it this is a lost cause and a waste of time." Die to the boss with the other pug leave and try again. However you're now out 10 stamina (or energy) with no drops and all that time wasted.
EIther way the player in there looking for drops / materials for crafting gear is now screwed out of half the energy or the FULL energy cost and the price of potions for healing energy potions etc etc. And they get NOTHING of value from the run due to the deaths. They're taking a complete loss.
All I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for griefing. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.
So～rry, but this is nonsensial.
You may consider them unspoken rules of respect, but let me ask you a thing first.
Where does it say, that the goal of every Auto-Team group is "Clearing the whole Episode"?
If the Group were in Agreement on clearing it, then there would be an unspeakable rule of respect, not doing this. But this is Auto-Team. It's completely legit for you to want to farm the BP's and thus wanna do the boss. YET it's also COMPLETELY legit for the other parts to don't and save EP by dying.
You people always sound so self-sufficient with your "Right way of playing MMO's". As if anyone would care for this. You, who want to farm BP's, can either do it alone, in a self build group which Goal it is to farm the BP's or use the Auto-Search function to get a fast group of 4 man together. And you gotta decide by yourself which method you choose. Ofc, every method has it's Pro and Contras. But you cannot cry over the contras of just 1 method and telling the other people to change their behaviour.
Is there a "User Experience is not Rated" clause somewhere? please, I'd love to see that.
I think it's ridiculous to try and bind people to x purpose when you're all randomly matched up with each person with varying intentions. If you want drops, then make a drops party, and if you want exp, make an exp party.
Auto-matching is a grab bag of who knows what's going to happen.
All I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for grieving. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.Summed up really well. Yes that's all there is to it.
In other words: Don't be a jerk, there is no excuse for that.
So the company has zero accountability? I think everyone understands and agrees with your point on people being jerks. The thing is you know why they are doing it and for the most part its not solely to be aholes. Apparently, the devs are too busy rolling in cashshop money to care.
People won't stop doing things like this as long as instances require energy to enter. The game itself encourages players to do everything possible to make the most out of their energy consumption. Because of that you can't really fault people for doing it.
Personally for me if I were to use Auto-Party, then I will see through it to the end. It does not matter if you get more %XP bonus in party or that you're running on %XP Manuals for efficient EP usage. You can run solo for that and it's even better to do so.
Some players play this like if it was a game to solo so they do it the most efficient way. They either ignore that there's a community and that it's an MMO, or they just don't give a damn about proper ettiquette.
However this shouldn't be a bannable offense even though this can cause grief for those looking for drops. To them, it's just their way of reaching to the next level faster.
if you want to farm than call for team in the chat
if you don't want to , and auto team as you need the blue prints ppl need exp with less energy , so you have to know that every one run to what he need , not what you need
i agree that the party buff should stay even if the party members did leave the instance , but i wont force ppl to kill the boss with me if they don't want to ...
i agree the auto team is broken system but not in this matter 
it's just when you do auto team that you have to know not everyone have the same goal !
All I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for grieving. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.Summed up really well. Yes that's all there is to it.
In other words: Don't be a jerk, there is no excuse for that.
So the company has zero accountability? I think everyone understands and agrees with your point on people being jerks. The thing is you know why they are doing it and for the most part its not solely to be aholes. Apparently, the devs are too busy rolling in cashshop money to care.
I'm not saying the company isn't accountable for this, I never once even remotely hinted at that. The rule is this. The bullshit GF is putting through us is there, we know this.
That however does NOT excuse us as a community, we're in this mess together and basic communication of what the party's intentions are before going through a dungeon. This is the problem, Gaming communities have gotten to a point where pugs are hardly able to communicate to one another. But that's a tyraid for a different time. Basic communication is needed between the players. Because it's exactly as you said players are trying to maximize their stamina consumption for exp AND drops. Don't forget that. That is all my point being made was. Even if you're using the party finder, Just say something. That's all most people are asking.
Do things need to change on the devs and publishers end? Dear god, yes it does. Please don't think I feel otherwise.
Also, I should probably mention this though it came off harsh, the point of my explanation was to show you how the people on the other side with the issue are thinking. That is all.
In the end they are still wasteing energy, since they will need to run these dungeons over and over for blueprints anyway.
In the end they re still wasteing energy, since they will need to run these dungeons over and over for blueprints anyway.
Display MoreAll I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for grieving. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.Summed up really well. Yes that's all there is to it.
In other words: Don't be a jerk, there is no excuse for that.
So the company has zero accountability? I think everyone understands and agrees with your point on people being jerks. The thing is you know why they are doing it and for the most part its not solely to be aholes. Apparently, the devs are too busy rolling in cashshop money to care.
I'm not saying the company isn't accountable for this, I never once even remotely hinted at that. The rule is this. The bullshit GF is putting through us is there, we know this.
That however does NOT excuse us as a community, we're in this mess together and basic communication of what the party's intentions are before going through a dungeon. This is the problem, Gaming communities have gotten to a point where pugs are hardly able to communicate to one another. But that's a tyraid for a different time. Basic communication is needed between the players. Because it's exactly as you said players are trying to maximize their stamina consumption for exp AND drops. Don't forget that. That is all my point being made was. Even if you're using the party finder, Just say something. That's all most people are asking.
Do things need to change on the devs and publishers end? Dear god, yes it does. Please don't think I feel otherwise.
Also, I should probably mention this though it came off harsh, the point of my explanation was to show you how the people on the other side with the issue are thinking. That is all.
Doesnt excuse player behavior but when the game is the root cause its hard to blame people.
Display MoreDisplay MoreAll I think the community wants at this point is this: If you're going for drops, go for drops. This will be the assumption of your other PUG mates unless stated otherwise.
IF THE PARTY IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU SUICIDE BOMBING THE BOSS: Don't do it. It's not a bannable offense and it's a reasonable exploit that is currently allowed ...for now However if it starts becoming a problem 99% of the time there will be something done about it. And considering it's a monetization opportunity by those who will not be mentioned? I would heavily consider the beneath warning
These unspoken rules of respect need to be upheld by the community otherwise it will end up either patched, or people will start getting banned for grieving. There are unspoken rules that are expected to be followed, failure to do so screws everyone in the end. It's called a "sanity" check for a reason, ask before you do.Summed up really well. Yes that's all there is to it.
In other words: Don't be a jerk, there is no excuse for that.
So the company has zero accountability? I think everyone understands and agrees with your point on people being jerks. The thing is you know why they are doing it and for the most part its not solely to be aholes. Apparently, the devs are too busy rolling in cashshop money to care.
I'm not saying the company isn't accountable for this, I never once even remotely hinted at that. The rule is this. The bullshit GF is putting through us is there, we know this.
That however does NOT excuse us as a community, we're in this mess together and basic communication of what the party's intentions are before going through a dungeon. This is the problem, Gaming communities have gotten to a point where pugs are hardly able to communicate to one another. But that's a tyraid for a different time. Basic communication is needed between the players. Because it's exactly as you said players are trying to maximize their stamina consumption for exp AND drops. Don't forget that. That is all my point being made was. Even if you're using the party finder, Just say something. That's all most people are asking.
Do things need to change on the devs and publishers end? Dear god, yes it does. Please don't think I feel otherwise.
Also, I should probably mention this though it came off harsh, the point of my explanation was to show you how the people on the other side with the issue are thinking. That is all.Doesnt excuse player behavior but when the game is the root cause its hard to blame people.
I agree wholeheartedly, I don't blame them either.
I did this too, tbh.
Since I'm only lvl 43, I haven't affected anyone on it, tho. It's pretty easy to solo the Bosses, so I don't think I have done anything bad.
Your problem is, that you are expecting smth from Randoms. If you get matched with people who wanna lvl, with utmost efficiency, because their EP is limited, then you cannot expect them to tag along this 1 person wanting to farm blueprints.
If you rly want to do smth against it, you may want to try doing a manual Team Recruitment, where u only farm with people who wanna farm the Blueprints, too. The People in Auto-Team are a random factor, you cannot control anyways.
diing on purpose in a dungeon while the others dont agree to it is actually a BANNABLE OFFENCE. Its considdered gamethrowing.
Ofc if you die by bad luck and you dont want to resurrect on the boss (outside of the boss its free afterall if you leave and reenter) its okay.
In the end they are still wasteing energy, since they will need to run these dungeons over and over for blueprints anyway.
They dont - 55 can be purchased easily and not all dungeons give prints
I think a good fix that would please everyone is making the dungeon clearance reward worth sticking around. Increase EXP/gold reward to be like 75% of what it is clearing the dungeon normally.
You still get less than what you'd do just running in and dying repeatedly, but it's close enough that you're willing to stay in to save time, and also collect drops/achievements you otherwise wouldn't. At the same time it makes leveling easier since you get more exp than you did before if you don't kill yourself at boss.
Win-win
I think a good fix that would please everyone is making the dungeon clearance reward worth sticking around. Increase EXP/gold reward to be like 75% of what it is clearing the dungeon normally.
You still get less than what you'd do just running in and dying repeatedly, but it's close enough that you're willing to stay in to save time, and also collect drops/achievements you otherwise wouldn't. At the same time it makes leveling easier since you get more exp than you did before if you don't kill yourself at boss.
Win-win
Finally a suggestion I can agree with instead of a lot of nonsensical "LET'S MAKE IT BANNABLE!!" posts.
^This^ is something I can see a lot of players settling for. Not to mention I myself love doing boss fights and it was a pity whenever I had to skip on doing them for a more favourable EXP outcome.
There's absolutely zero need to make something planned by the game itself a bannable offence, that would never happen in the first place.
But settling for something that makes players stick around instead of dying at the boss?
10/10.
As you all know, Each Episode cuts their expense in two times, one half at the begining. Other half when you kill boss, if you're looking for dzenai or experience with EP efficiency you can die/leave at Boss so you will be keeping %80 of the rewards with half energy consume since killing boss for exp farm is only useful when there's any Repeatable quest gives good amount of experience points.
