Wow GameForge you have to be careful with the login bonus

    Hey, Nitros. I noticed you must be new around here, but here is my advice: you can't use "this is beta testing" as excuse for everything. I'm pretty sure OP isn't complaining only about how meaningless the daily login is - the real matter is that you get worse stuff on the 20th+ consecutive login than you get on the first days, for example. The prizes should increase value as you progress into the game by playing it everyday.


    Also, even if this is a phase only focused on testing and they intended for it to be over in the first week, they knew all along there was the possibility of a wipe not taking place. So they could've spent more time planning the login rewards table as a training process for the real version. There is absolutely no point on making the rewards spike on the first weeks, then create a depression until the end of the month, even on the wipe scenario since everything would be lost anyway.

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    I smell a bad use off sarcasm. The game is in beta stage. I am surprised we even have a login bonus at all. This could just be a quick test with some random items thrown together. If it stays that way, sure just make a suggestion for better items, but don't go overboard. GF bashing will solve nothing. Honestly, give them a chance to improve things before complaining.


    Talking about private servers is not allowed by the way.

    How will they know what to improve if we don't complain about it though...

    Complaints vs suggestions. Suggestions are constructive feedback without trying to needlessly bash a certain target for something. Complaints are when you cry about something and expect something return for it or expect them to want to read the tiring and tedious gripes without structure or thought.

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    I smell a bad use off sarcasm. The game is in beta stage. I am surprised we even have a login bonus at all. This could just be a quick test with some random items thrown together. If it stays that way, sure just make a suggestion for better items, but don't go overboard. GF bashing will solve nothing. Honestly, give them a chance to improve things before complaining.


    Talking about private servers is not allowed by the way.

    How will they know what to improve if we don't complain about it though...

    Complaints vs suggestions. Suggestions are constructive feedback without trying to needlessly bash a certain target for something. Complaints are when you cry about something and expect something return for it or expect them to want to read the tiring and tedious gripes without structure or thought.

    Reading gripes and complains is their job. Let's be real about something. They are a buisness and we the customer at the very least they should address complaints if they want to have a good relationship with us. There have been many constructive post that have gone unanswered and the issues that get answered lighting fast are the servers/cashshop ones. As I said before a beta is supposed to be a calibration for us and the devs so we know what to expect and they know what we are not happy about. People are complaining because for the most part they care and it doesn't seem like Gameforge cares about any but how much money they can get off us.

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    I smell a bad use off sarcasm. The game is in beta stage. I am surprised we even have a login bonus at all. This could just be a quick test with some random items thrown together. If it stays that way, sure just make a suggestion for better items, but don't go overboard. GF bashing will solve nothing. Honestly, give them a chance to improve things before complaining.


    Talking about private servers is not allowed by the way.

    How will they know what to improve if we don't complain about it though...

    Complaints vs suggestions. Suggestions are constructive feedback without trying to needlessly bash a certain target for something. Complaints are when you cry about something and expect something return for it or expect them to want to read the tiring and tedious gripes without structure or thought.

    Lets get real here, complaints and suggestions go hand in hand on these forums. Complaint threads lead to discussions and in these discussions suggestions are made. You can't just shut down a complaint cause you don't like seeing them.

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    What exactly would 5 Grutin gold get you in-game right now?

    When I happen to have 1495 grutin gold stored I can get a nice item with that 5 gold!

    Pantsu! 5 more Grutin gold for the pantsu!

    I'm unsatisfied with my panties purchase. I hate leopard print.

    I thought this was a humour thread? Oh well..


    Complaints aren't invalid specifically because they're complaints. What do you do when someone sticks their feet in your burger king lettuce? Pull out the good ol' it's a beta card?

    That's probably what I'll go for next lmao, or violet since it's purple and I'm Stella.

    I am dealing with GF for over 5 years now, no I am not new to this. It's simple, complains will be ignored, suggestions will be discussed. It depends on how you word your post. If there are some good ideas in said post, sure go ahead. However in a discussion both sides need to respect each other.


    And yes you can exuse almost everything with a beta. That's the point why developers call it beta and not 1.0. An exception is everything related to people losing real life money.

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    I am dealing with GF for over 5 years now, no I am not new to this. It's simple, complains will be ignored, suggestions will be discussed. It depends on how you word your post. If there are some good ideas in said post, sure go ahead. However in a discussion both sides need to respect each other.


    And yes you can exuse almost everything with a beta. That's the point why developers call it beta and not 1.0. An exception is everything related to people losing real life money.

    It's a slippery slope, it starts as "it's only beta", then we see "its only just released", etc. This is not a new game so you can not hold them to the same low standards you would give a brand new IP. This game has been out for years in other regions and the developers have had plenty of time to work out the kinks in the game and most likely have (we just don't have those fixes). It is not like gameforge made any attempts to make any real changes to the game aside from translating it. The same goes for the publisher they have had multiple launches, betas, etc. to get their shit in order there are no excuses since this isnt their first rodeo.


    Like i said before you cant just ignore complaints because you don't like them, it does not help alleviate the issue that is being brought up. There are plenty of complain threads that have good suggestions and analysis of the complaints being made.


    In the end you can use the beta excuse all you want, it doesn't make it a good excuse though.

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    No we won't do that. If this keeps going I will complain well. I also edited the post and changed the word complains to provocations. I agree so far, that a good complain should not be ignored. However that includes no provocation.


    GF needs to make sure first, that it runs on their infrastructure probably. Everybody who deals with DEV, QS and productive environments knows that this can be quite the struggle. Also people expect things to fast.If you want soem chance are you have to wait for about half or a full year to get it.


    In addition who said this was decided by GF? Might as well be the DEVs themself. Just suggest what better rewards they could give out without being to greedy. This is something that can be supported. For example I would really like some of those ID rerolling items. On the other hand with the sarcasm in the first post you only earn the the response form badidol. I complained and have seen a lot complains about GF in the past and can say with certainty provocations are not working

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    In addition who said this was decided by GF? Might as well be the DEVs themself. Just suggest what better rewards they could give out without being to greedy.

    Login freebies are usually determined (or at least influenced) by the publisher. Similar to cash shop stuff. You can tell from the huge discrepancies in login freebies and cash shop prices between JP and NA/EU, 2 different publishers for the same game.


    In the case of cash shop, it should be obvious. If cash shop items were done by Lion Games, then they would not have to ask GameForge to remove certain P2W items afterwards. If they were in the loop, then it would not have been sold in the shop to begin with.

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    I would say, wait until the next log in event to make your Judgement's. I feel like that's when it would be time to complain about the rewards we get from a log in event.

    You can't compare two different servers that are so that far apart. They are simply handled differently. In another game NA and EU with two different published receive the exact same login rewards, although they are 3-6 month apart. One of those publishers being GF. They even started to get the same ones as KR, which again is another publisher.


    That they removed items tells you that the devs do have influence on that. You also don't know why they removed it, so stop the P2W speculation. They are most likely not interfering with GF business decisions directly, not to mention who created those items and the system around them in the first place?

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    You can't compare two different servers that are so that far apart. They are simply handled differently. In another game NA and EU with two different published receive the exact same login rewards, although they are 3-6 month apart. One of those publishers being GF. They even started to get the same ones as KR, which again is another publisher.


    That they removed items tells you that the devs do have influence on that. You also don't know why they removed it, so stop the P2W speculation. They are most likely not interfering with GF business decisions directly, not to mention who created those items and the system around them in the first place?

    What does distance have to do with it, lol? JP and NA/EU are handled differently because they are handled by 2 different publishers. EU and NA are also far apart, yet they are handled the same because they are handled by the same publisher.


    And you seem to miss the point with the cash shop item removal. The point is that cash shop is usually handled by the publisher. If cash shop items were done by Lion Games, then they would not have to ask GameForge to remove certain items afterwards.


    Plus it's also obvious that LionGames has influence in their own game or they wouldn''t be able to get GameForge to remove those items. You like stating the obvious?


    And yeah the upgrade mats were created by LionGames in the first place, but those mats were suppose to be farmed ingame, not bought with cash. It's a good thing that LionGames intervened and put a stop to it.

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    I might have used the wrong word. I meant in terms of content.


    It is possible to put them in the cash shop, that's the point. We don't know the reason why they removed it. No need to see everything in a negative way. GF wants to sell you something, not torture you or anything. This is really just trying to use this because it support on owns mindset. There is no proof to it.


    CS stuff vs. ingame prices will keep rising as long as people can easily afford it, you don't need bots for this. There is also nothing that proof how influential bots currently are. It's like someone panicking without a reason to. I am not saying this should not be addressed, but it can be done in calm fashion. Some people did make legit suggestions and those are much more valuable than those who have to shove their opinion onto other because it's the ultimate truth.

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    I might have used the wrong word. I meant in terms of content.


    It is possible to put them in the cash shop, that's the point. We don't know the reason why they removed it. No need to see everything in a negative way. GF wants to sell you something, not torture you or anything. This is really just trying to use this because it support on owns mindset. There is no proof to it.


    CS stuff vs. ingame prices will keep rising as long as people can easily afford it, you don't need bots for this. There is also nothing that proof how influential bots currently are. It's like someone panicking without a reason to. I am not saying this should not be addressed, but it can be done in calm fashion. Some people did make legit suggestions and those are much more valuable than those who have to shove their opinion onto other because it's the ultimate truth.

    I simply stated what happened. If you viewed what has happened is negative, then it is you who is saying it, not me. I also didn't say anything about torturing. If you feel they are torturing you, then it is your opinion, not mine.


    I was merely pointing out that it is usually the publisher who decides on login freebies and cash shop stuff. You can tell from the huge discrepancies in login freebies and cash shop prices between JP and NA/EU, set by 2 different publishers for the same game. If it was all set by LionGames, then there's little reason to expect such huge discrepancies.

    Oh boy another thread full of the same 3-4 gameforge boot lickers xD. When will you guys learn that you are fighting against your own interests as consumers when you blindly defend gameforge in every instance.

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    This wasn't specifically directed at you. In general ever possiblity is used to view something in a negative way.


    GameForge boot licker? Ob boy, let the Elsword CM and some of the older players there tell you how much of a "GameForge boot licker" I am. What I am doing is being realistic. I prefer to actually solve a problem rather than just complain about it an nothing happens.


    Because nobody else does, let me try to do something to actually solve the issue...

    What would you like to get as login rewards?