The problem would not be so bad if the weapon was upgradable without limit ~
I wouldn't complain if it was really 1% tbh , as long as i can upgrade my weap freely without spend 10 euro to unlock 5+ try each time i reach the limit :' )
Pay 2 upgrade , is kinda a shame.
+9 enhance rate.. what's wrong ?
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I failed 50 times to get from +6-7 and I am still not 7
Gitgud scrub
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I kinda don't really care about gear enhance rates. The top level of enhancements have always been an enormous time and money sink across MMOs. If it was easy to obtain +7, +8, or +9, then it would stop being an accomplishment.
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I'd say; remove the upgrade limit and we'll be K.
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I assume the upgrade limit is a decent chunk of their webshop and none of the clients have removed it either afaik.
It's an "accomplishment" to have a +9 to be sure, but it's nothing that's reasonably feasible statistically for a player not using the cash shop.
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I kinda don't really care about gear enhance rates. The top level of enhancements have always been an enormous time and money sink across MMOs. If it was easy to obtain +7, +8, or +9, then it would stop being an accomplishment.
An accomplishment should not be achieved with the cash shop ~
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Who knew trying to get the highest upgrades possible in the game was so hard?
This is the first time I've seen people complaining that it's hard to get the equivalent of +15 in other games. I mean, like, no shit? (not directed towards the OP)
The only argument I can understand is that there is a limit to how many chances you get to upgrade, but I feel like it balances with the fact that upgrades in here at the moment are much much muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch larger bonuses than other games. Just going from +4 to +5 in here is a bigger damage increase than going from +10 to +11 in closers, or maybe even +11 to +12.
It might also be because that upgrading here don't reset your gear to +0. Most other games if you fail, you're going back 2-3 upgrade levels, or back to 0 completely.
Besides that I think you can say the upgrade cost compared to the stat increase you gain. For example like I mentioned before, going +4 to +5 in here is a larger increase than +10 to +11 in Closers, but it doesn't really cost much per upgrade. I think it cost me 87k per upgrade on my lvl 40 weapon so it might be 120-140k per upgrade on a level 55 weapon? But apparently you can make many times that per day farming at cap. It doesn't really seem like that bad.
I can understand that the maximum upgrade chances looks really shitty, but for what you can gain for it, I feel like it balances off pretty well. I'd definitely take that over getting my weapon reset to +0, or breaking the moment I try to upgrade passed the safe level.
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I would consider going trough something with less then optimal gear more of an accomplishment, but that might just be me. I find it really interesting how in Fire Emblem Heroes F2P is actually a self imposed challenge. That's actually something a lot of other games fail to achieve.
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If I recall from another thread correctly, it was something like 1.8-1.9mil per upgrade for the lv 55?
Or maybe they were referencing the entire Plus up as a whole.
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If I recall from another thread correctly, it was something like 1.8-1.9mil per upgrade for the lv 55?
Or maybe they were referencing the entire Plus up as a whole.
seems like a weird jump going from like from tens of thousands to millions xd
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Display MoreWho knew trying to get the highest upgrades possible in the game was so hard?
This is the first time I've seen people complaining that it's hard to get the equivalent of +15 in other games. I mean, like, no shit? (not directed towards the OP)
The only argument I can understand is that there is a limit to how many chances you get to upgrade, but I feel like it balances with the fact that upgrades in here at the moment are much much muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch larger bonuses than other games. Just going from +4 to +5 in here is a bigger damage increase than going from +10 to +11 in closers, or maybe even +11 to +12.
It might also be because that upgrading here don't reset your gear to +0. Most other games if you fail, you're going back 2-3 upgrade levels, or back to 0 completely.
Besides that I think you can say the upgrade cost compared to the stat increase you gain. For example like I mentioned before, going +4 to +5 in here is a larger increase than +10 to +11 in Closers, but it doesn't really cost much per upgrade. I think it cost me 87k per upgrade on my lvl 40 weapon so it might be 120-140k per upgrade on a level 55 weapon? But apparently you can make many times that per day farming at cap. It doesn't really seem like that bad.
I can understand that the maximum upgrade chances looks really shitty, but for what you can gain for it, I feel like it balances off pretty well. I'd definitely take that over getting my weapon reset to +0, or breaking the moment I try to upgrade passed the safe level.
I'm used to play Blade & soul , there is no enhance rate / fail or downgrade there but you have to farm a lot to get what you want and it might be painful at some level BUT you can freely upgrade it , even a F2p can but gonna take longer than someone who gonna spam shop ofc.
The main problem here , and i think many people don't get it since i made this post.. is the limit coupled with the really low rate.
Make it freely upgradable and this would be fair since we can actually fail/destroy our gear.
Ofc get a +9 shouldn't be easy , that's not what i want , but we kinda have to spend a lof of cash to make it at that level and this the point i wanna point out. ( And it's ONLY for the weapon , imagine doing it for your 4 others gears :> ) -
If I recall from another thread correctly, it was something like 1.8-1.9mil per upgrade for the lv 55?
Or maybe they were referencing the entire Plus up as a whole.
It is actually , as i said it's around 550-600k a weapon upgrade chip and you need 3of them + 120k dzenai .
So in the end for each try you pay 1.6mil to 2mil according to the price of those chip.
But money isn't the problem , once you hit 55 , farm ep4 ark ship/Acheron or Raid is a good source of money actually ~
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I'm used to play Blade & soul , there is no enhance rate / fail or downgrade there but you have to farm a lot to get what you want and it might be painful at some level BUT you can freely upgrade it , even a F2p can ( while whale can one shot it with p2w event ) this way it look fair.
The main problem here , and i think many people don't get it since i made this post.. is the limit coupled with the really low rate.
Make it freely upgradable and this would be fair since we can actually fail/destroy our gear.
Ofc get a +9 shouldn't be easy , that's not what i want , but we kinda have to spend a lof of cash to make it at that level and this the point i wanna point out. ( And it's ONLY for the weapon , imagine doing it for your 4 others gears :> )Thing is, to get the type of upgrades that really matter (Raven 6+/Aransu) you're gonna have to spend months grinding, orrrrr you can just spend a couple hundreds on trove whenever it comes around. This game is the same in the sense that you can probably spend months grinding for the money/materials to upgrade, orrrrrr you can just spend a couple hundreds in the cash shop to get it faster. It's the same thing.
Like I said I can understand why the upgrade limits might look bad, but my reasoning is that the tradeoff is when you fail upgrading, your weapon doesn't reset. The chance of your weapon actually breaking passed the safe upgrade level is pretty low (in other games most people don't even try to go passed the safe level without protection tickets).
I guess if you take things like weapon upgrade chips in to consideration that inflates the price a lot, but I feel like at that level you're just paying for convenience or bragging rights. It's like the difference between getting a regular car just to get you from point A to point B and buying a lambo or something similar to do the same exact thing, just fancier/faster.
I'm not capped yet so I can't say for sure, but you probably don't need a +8 or +9 to do the current content, the same way you don't need Aransu 6 in BnS (at least from the last time I remember) to do raids or f8 dungeons. Or the same way you don't need a +15 weapon in closers/DFO to do tiamat/Luke raids. Or the same way you don't need a Lambo for your day-to-day commute.
Now if the prices of the things in the cash shop were a bit better, then I'd say it's perfectly fine, but I think it's like $10/$20 to get that item to reset the number of maximum upgrades? But that's for another thread.
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it's totaly crazy to be honest, i did from +0 to +8 in 16 try, and tried about 76 FUCKING TIME to enhance +9, how can we have so low chance to this? seriously this make me crazy af , wasted so many materials for nothing, hope they gonna rework the success rate because it's clearly insane
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Gotta love people who got RNG carried to +8 complaining about +9 when luck catches up to them
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The true end-game.
Where my Black Desert players at XD.
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I'm used to play Blade & soul , there is no enhance rate / fail or downgrade there but you have to farm a lot to get what you want and it might be painful at some level BUT you can freely upgrade it , even a F2p can ( while whale can one shot it with p2w event ) this way it look fair.
The main problem here , and i think many people don't get it since i made this post.. is the limit coupled with the really low rate.
Make it freely upgradable and this would be fair since we can actually fail/destroy our gear.
Ofc get a +9 shouldn't be easy , that's not what i want , but we kinda have to spend a lof of cash to make it at that level and this the point i wanna point out. ( And it's ONLY for the weapon , imagine doing it for your 4 others gears :> )Thing is, to get the type of upgrades that really matter (Raven 6+/Aransu) you're gonna have to spend months grinding, orrrrr you can just spend a couple hundreds on trove whenever it comes around. This game is the same in the sense that you can probably spend months grinding for the money/materials to upgrade, orrrrrr you can just spend a couple hundreds in the cash shop to get it faster. It's the same thing.
Like I said I can understand why the upgrade limits might look bad, but my reasoning is that the tradeoff is when you fail upgrading, your weapon doesn't reset. The chance of your weapon actually breaking passed the safe upgrade level is pretty low (in other games most people don't even try to go passed the safe level without protection tickets).
I guess if you take things like weapon upgrade chips in to consideration that inflates the price a lot, but I feel like at that level you're just paying for convenience or bragging rights. It's like the difference between getting a regular car just to get you from point A to point B and buying a lambo or something similar to do the same exact thing, just fancier/faster.
I'm not capped yet so I can't say for sure, but you probably don't need a +8 or +9 to do the current content, the same way you don't need Aransu 6 in BnS (at least from the last time I remember) to do raids or f8 dungeons. Or the same way you don't need a +15 weapon in closers/DFO to do tiamat/Luke raids. Or the same way you don't need a Lambo for your day-to-day commute.
Now if the prices of the things in the cash shop were a bit better, then I'd say it's perfectly fine, but I think it's like $10/$20 to get that item to reset the number of maximum upgrades? But that's for another thread.
In Bns , whatever you do , you have the choice to stay f2p or go full ham on Trove.
Here you are kinda " forced " to add some cash if you don't want to struggle on a weap with 25/25 try locked ~
Get it ?
Also , it's not because " It's not needed for the current content " that mean we must stay at +4- +6 i mean what the point to have gear if you don't enhance them if you can :' )
The true end-game.
Where my Black Desert players at XD.
For me True end-game =/= forced to add cash to Unlock/upgrade/max gear , or maybe i'm wrong.
it's totaly crazy to be honest, i did from +0 to +8 in 16 try, and tried about 76 FUCKING TIME to enhance +9, how can we have so low chance to this? seriously this make me crazy af , wasted so many materials for nothing, hope they gonna rework the success rate because it's clearly insane
Ikr! same shit happens to me ~ +6 goes really fast , 7-8 took me really a few try and now while i answer here i'm at my 37th try ~
There is no luck in that , +9 rate is totally fucked.
It look like ( just an example , im not saying they are the actual rate ~ ) +6-7-8 might be 15-10-5% and then there is +9 at 0.0001% , the f*ck lol -
Gotta love people who got RNG carried to +8 complaining about +9 when luck catches up to them
By luck you mean.. after 10 Strengh expension ticket maybe ? :' )
There is always that guy who gonna upgrade to +9 with GOD luck from nowhere , or with a nice wallet. Kappa -
In Bns , whatever you do , you have the choice to stay f2p or go full ham on Trove.
Here you are kinda " forced " to add some cash if you don't want to struggle on a weap with 25/25 try locked ~The same way you can totally get true soul through f2p means; it's an illusion of choice. It's just that in this game they're more blunt with it because people are dumb and are going to pay anyway.
I mean it's a fact that f2p games make more money than p2p games because people think they have a choice in the matter when it comes to f2p games.
spoiler alert: you don't.
Also , it's not because " It's not needed for the current content " that mean we must stay at +4- +6 i mean what the point to have gear if you don't enhance them if you can :' )
I never said that you must stay there. I said it's not required, and if you want more convenience, you best get ready to pay for it.
