Why did we not get the Japanese version of this game? Atleast the japanese one was decent, unlike the korean one.
Because they straight up can't ask for it. You don't get rights from a publisher to publish their publish in another region. If they want to publish the game, they have to ask the people who made it, Lion Games, who are Korean. This means the Korean version is the original or "default"/"base" build.
Why did we not get the Japanese version of this game? Atleast the japanese one was decent, unlike the korean one.
Because they straight up can't ask for it. You don't get rights from a publisher to publish their publish in another region. If they want to publish the game, they have to ask the people who made it, Lion Games, who are Korean. This means the Korean version is the original or "default"/"base" build.
I know, but atleast try to get your "base" game modified into the direction Japanese one is going. It's not forbidden to change some of the mechanics to favor the playerbase.....
Why did we not get the Japanese version of this game? Atleast the japanese one was decent, unlike the korean one.
Because they straight up can't ask for it. You don't get rights from a publisher to publish their publish in another region. If they want to publish the game, they have to ask the people who made it, Lion Games, who are Korean. This means the Korean version is the original or "default"/"base" build.
I know, but atleast try to get your "base" game modified into the direction Japanese one is going. It's not forbidden to change some of the mechanics to favor the playerbase.....
I'm sure they will, just not right now
Why did we not get the Japanese version of this game? Atleast the japanese one was decent, unlike the korean one.
Because they straight up can't ask for it. You don't get rights from a publisher to publish their publish in another region. If they want to publish the game, they have to ask the people who made it, Lion Games, who are Korean. This means the Korean version is the original or "default"/"base" build.
I know, but atleast try to get your "base" game modified into the direction Japanese one is going. It's not forbidden to change some of the mechanics to favor the playerbase.....
I'm sure they will, just not right now
Sorry, but a small increase in exp doesnt require 1 month of work.
Nor does the enabling of contentt wich is allready in game files ready to go.
But oh wait, better release some trash costumes when they have a possibility to release better ones
As a whale now for the past almost 15 years, what I can say is this:
Worth can only be assumed by the individual. For me, if I had fun during the time I had, that makes it worth the time and money investment. So that's ultimately up to the user to decide if what they got out of the experience made it worth it.
Don't let other's loud voices make the judgment for you. Experience it yourself, and make that decision.
JP this JP that, what exactly do you guys want that JP has that is such a biiiiiiiiig gamechanger that we need it?
Faceroll leveling? Lower material costs? What is it?
JP this JP that, what exactly do you guys want that JP has that is such a biiiiiiiiig gamechanger that we need it?
Faceroll leveling? Lower material costs? What is it?
they want everything
hail glorious nippon
The only thing I'm "concerned" about is when the people "trying to better the game" complain too much even knowing that nothing is going to be addressed. People bored at the current "endgame" are quitting/hiatus, while all the complaints drive new players away. Ironic how people "trying to better the game" are helping destroy it faster. Then sometimes there's another party that encourages people to not play the game or play other servers as a method of "rebellion" until they supposedly fix all the "issues" with the game. Yeah well, I guess there can't be any issues when there isn't a game to have them. I quoted "concerned" because I don't really care. I'm having my fun with the game for now, but if it ends up getting shafted then there are still many other good games to play (especially upcoming this year). I've played enough games to know how common the current situation is, so this is nothing new to me. People still have the option of at least three other servers (at least until they flop too, if they ever do) if this version becomes "unplayable" for whatever reason.
If complaints are valid and are driving players away then that's a good thing because it's saving those players the grief of having to go through what those before did.
Want to hear good things? Let's see some good things being done.
Some complaints are certainly kind of ridiculous, but if it comes down to the fact that you still can't even switch characters properly without the game bricking, or not even being able to use your skills at times in dungeons, meanwhile they keep filling the cash shop with more costumes, yeah that's a pretty fucking valid complaint.
The only thing I'm "concerned" about is when the people "trying to better the game" complain too much even knowing that nothing is going to be addressed. People bored at the current "endgame" are quitting/hiatus, while all the complaints drive new players away. Ironic how people "trying to better the game" are helping destroy it faster. Then sometimes there's another party that encourages people to not play the game or play other servers as a method of "rebellion" until they supposedly fix all the "issues" with the game. Yeah well, I guess there can't be any issues when there isn't a game to have them. I quoted "concerned" because I don't really care. I'm having my fun with the game for now, but if it ends up getting shafted then there are still many other good games to play (especially upcoming this year). I've played enough games to know how common the current situation is, so this is nothing new to me. People still have the option of at least three other servers (at least until they flop too, if they ever do) if this version becomes "unplayable" for whatever reason.
Well you see, the problem is the communication between the players and gf.
CoMa's are trying their best, but they have not any info neither.
And personally, i'm kinda annoyed with all the "soon" we get now, yet they keep putting new stuff in the shop.
Like they are aftraid the game will be dead in 6 month, so they need to milk as much money as the can.
Not to mention that we dont even have any ETA (we dont even ask they day X, all we ask is how much should we wait. Around 2 weeks? Around 1 month? 3?).
Neither do we have the roadmap to see what they will do in the future.
Sorry, but it's nt how you run the business, and even less the game.
You can keep keep ignor the players, expecting they will close eyes or forget on what's happening right now.
Display MoreWell you see, the problem is the communication between the players and gf.
CoMa's are trying their best, but they have not any info neither.
And personally, i'm kinda annoyed with all the "soon" we get now, yet they keep putting new stuff in the shop.
Like they are aftraid the game will be dead in 6 month, so they need to milk as much money as the can.
Not to mention that we dont even have any ETA (we dont even ask they day X, all we ask is how much should we wait. Around 2 weeks? Around 1 month? 3?).
Neither do we have the roadmap to see what they will do in the future.
Sorry, but it's nt how you run the business, and even less the game.
You can keep keep ignor the players, expecting they will close eyes or forget on what's happening right now.
In terms of what they are supposed to be doing, I think the community managers and forum moderators are doing a good job. If they have nothing to say then it's probably because GameForge hasn't given them any information they want to be shared. Now, remember that GameForge is just the publisher. If GameForge has nothing to tell the community managers, then the developers (Lion Games) might not be giving them any information either. I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain, but some people take it farther than just constructive feedback and go out of their way to try to hurt the game. Many people are blaming GameForge (which to some extent is reasonable), but they don't have full control of content scheduling. Lion Games are ultimately the ones who decide what they think is ready to be released, and they're stationed in Korea. Considering how long it took them to even release SoulWorker in JP from the original teaser dates, they don't exactly seem to be the best at planning. I also don't think we know how large their development team is, so if it's only a small team dedicated to working on the NA/EU localization, things will take much longer. People also need to consider that they're also working on JP and KR at the same time, and their internal development practices. There are so many factors that people with little to no development experience don't know about that adds up to a lot of time to release these things. The reason why certain illegal servers seem to have faster content releases is because they simply steal content from official servers, they are free to hack at the code however they want to, and they aren't restricted by any business practices, rules, or managers.
Edit: TL;DR - Just give them some more time, it's barely even been a month since release and we've just barely finished the first month's login rewards. However, I will say that at the current pace and "updates" so far, they are going down the exact same path as Enmasse/ALLM with Kritika NA.
Display MoreDisplay MoreWell you see, the problem is the communication between the players and gf.
CoMa's are trying their best, but they have not any info neither.
And personally, i'm kinda annoyed with all the "soon" we get now, yet they keep putting new stuff in the shop.
Like they are aftraid the game will be dead in 6 month, so they need to milk as much money as the can.
Not to mention that we dont even have any ETA (we dont even ask they day X, all we ask is how much should we wait. Around 2 weeks? Around 1 month? 3?).
Neither do we have the roadmap to see what they will do in the future.
Sorry, but it's nt how you run the business, and even less the game.
You can keep keep ignor the players, expecting they will close eyes or forget on what's happening right now.
In terms of what they are supposed to be doing, I think the community managers and forum moderators are doing a good job. If they have nothing to say then it's probably because GameForge hasn't given them any information they want to be shared. Now, remember that GameForge is just the publisher. If GameForge has nothing to tell the community managers, then the developers (Lion Games) might not be giving them any information either. I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain, but some people take it farther than just constructive feedback and go out of their way to try to hurt the game. Many people are blaming GameForge (which to some extent is reasonable), but they don't have full control of content scheduling. Lion Games are ultimately the ones who decide what they think is ready to be released, and they're stationed in Korea. Considering how long it took them to even release SoulWorker in JP from the original teaser dates, they don't exactly seem to be the best at planning. I also don't think we know how large their development team is, so if it's only a small team dedicated to working on the NA/EU localization, things will take much longer. People also need to consider that they're also working on JP and KR at the same time, and their internal development practices. There are so many factors that people with little to no development experience don't know about that adds up to a lot of time to release these things. The reason why certain illegal servers seem to have faster content releases is because they simply steal content from official servers, they are free to hack at the code however they want to, and they aren't restricted by any business practices, rules, or managers.
If you go on their website (http://www.liongames.co.kr/Front/?lang=eng) it appears that SoulWorker is their only game. Normally development companies with a few games won't have an easy time with development or have as much experience as companies that are veterans to the topic.
Display MoreDisplay MoreWell you see, the problem is the communication between the players and gf.
CoMa's are trying their best, but they have not any info neither.
And personally, i'm kinda annoyed with all the "soon" we get now, yet they keep putting new stuff in the shop.
Like they are aftraid the game will be dead in 6 month, so they need to milk as much money as the can.
Not to mention that we dont even have any ETA (we dont even ask they day X, all we ask is how much should we wait. Around 2 weeks? Around 1 month? 3?).
Neither do we have the roadmap to see what they will do in the future.
Sorry, but it's nt how you run the business, and even less the game.
You can keep keep ignor the players, expecting they will close eyes or forget on what's happening right now.
In terms of what they are supposed to be doing, I think the community managers and forum moderators are doing a good job. If they have nothing to say then it's probably because GameForge hasn't given them any information they want to be shared. Now, remember that GameForge is just the publisher. If GameForge has nothing to tell the community managers, then the developers (Lion Games) might not be giving them any information either. I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain, but some people take it farther than just constructive feedback and go out of their way to try to hurt the game. Many people are blaming GameForge (which to some extent is reasonable), but they don't have full control of content scheduling. Lion Games are ultimately the ones who decide what they think is ready to be released, and they're stationed in Korea. Considering how long it took them to even release SoulWorker in JP from the original teaser dates, they don't exactly seem to be the best at planning. I also don't think we know how large their development team is, so if it's only a small team dedicated to working on the NA/EU localization, things will take much longer. People also need to consider that they're also working on JP and KR at the same time, and their internal development practices. There are so many factors that people with little to no development experience don't know about that adds up to a lot of time to release these things. The reason why certain illegal servers seem to have faster content releases is because they simply steal content from official servers, they are free to hack at the code however they want to, and they aren't restricted by any business practices, rules, or managers.
My entire post in not lack of new content on international level.
My problem is lack of content on gf's version of the game, compared to to korean's state.
Thus, Gameorge ins entirely responsible of lack of communcation and sheldues
Than again, if you look into the game data, you may notice that we have all the content we are asking for, yet it's not enable, so the point of "LG isn't allowing release of x now" is invalid
Display MoreDisplay MoreDisplay MoreWell you see, the problem is the communication between the players and gf.
CoMa's are trying their best, but they have not any info neither.
And personally, i'm kinda annoyed with all the "soon" we get now, yet they keep putting new stuff in the shop.
Like they are aftraid the game will be dead in 6 month, so they need to milk as much money as the can.
Not to mention that we dont even have any ETA (we dont even ask they day X, all we ask is how much should we wait. Around 2 weeks? Around 1 month? 3?).
Neither do we have the roadmap to see what they will do in the future.
Sorry, but it's nt how you run the business, and even less the game.
You can keep keep ignor the players, expecting they will close eyes or forget on what's happening right now.
In terms of what they are supposed to be doing, I think the community managers and forum moderators are doing a good job. If they have nothing to say then it's probably because GameForge hasn't given them any information they want to be shared. Now, remember that GameForge is just the publisher. If GameForge has nothing to tell the community managers, then the developers (Lion Games) might not be giving them any information either. I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain, but some people take it farther than just constructive feedback and go out of their way to try to hurt the game. Many people are blaming GameForge (which to some extent is reasonable), but they don't have full control of content scheduling. Lion Games are ultimately the ones who decide what they think is ready to be released, and they're stationed in Korea. Considering how long it took them to even release SoulWorker in JP from the original teaser dates, they don't exactly seem to be the best at planning. I also don't think we know how large their development team is, so if it's only a small team dedicated to working on the NA/EU localization, things will take much longer. People also need to consider that they're also working on JP and KR at the same time, and their internal development practices. There are so many factors that people with little to no development experience don't know about that adds up to a lot of time to release these things. The reason why certain illegal servers seem to have faster content releases is because they simply steal content from official servers, they are free to hack at the code however they want to, and they aren't restricted by any business practices, rules, or managers.
My entire post in not lack of new content on international level.
My problem is lack of content on gf's version of the game, compared to to korean's state.
Thus, Gameorge ins entirely responsible of lack of communcation and sheldues
Than again, if you look into the game data, you may notice that we have all the content we are asking for, yet it's not enable, so the point of "LG isn't allowing release of x now" is invalid
Actually it's completely valid. I feel you don't understand how licensing releases work. The developer provides the game content in whatever state they want it to be in, and tell the licenser what they are allowing to be provided to the region. It's common practice for a game in a further state in the host country to have the newer things already installed in the client (so that localization and bug testing can be done in house), but not enabled for players.
Tv shows often make episodes way in advance, in fact they have a whole backlog of episode buffer. Should tv shows release all the finished episodes at once? Would that be good for sales? Simple answer is no.
My entire post in not lack of new content on international level.
My problem is lack of content on gf's version of the game, compared to to korean's state.
Thus, Gameorge ins entirely responsible of lack of communcation and sheldues
Than again, if you look into the game data, you may notice that we have all the content we are asking for, yet it's not enable, so the point of "LG isn't allowing release of x now" is invalid
My point was that GameForge can't tell us anything if they have nothing to say. They don't necessarily decide the update schedule of the game. It's not about whether they "can" or "are allowed to" release something, it's whether they "want" to. It's typical for ports like this to have future content locked in the game files, but not released until much later (DFO, Kritika, BnS, etc.). I don't see how it's an invalid point if they decide they want to update monthly or bi-monthly, etc. It's typical for these games to have major updates on a monthly basis at best. The problem is that we aren't being given any ongoing in-game events to buy time for actual game updates (weekend EP reduction doesn't count). We're just barely on the borderline of 1-month release status.
Tv shows often make episodes way in advance, in fact they have a whole backlog of episode buffer. Should tv shows release all the finished episodes at once? Would that be good for sales? Simple answer is no.
Netflix says hi
Display MoreMy entire post in not lack of new content on international level.
My problem is lack of content on gf's version of the game, compared to to korean's state.
Thus, Gameorge ins entirely responsible of lack of communcation and sheldues
Than again, if you look into the game data, you may notice that we have all the content we are asking for, yet it's not enable, so the point of "LG isn't allowing release of x now" is invalid
if they decide they want to update monthly or bi-monthly, etc. It's typical for these games to have major updates on a monthly basis at best.
That is exactly what i want to hear from gameforge.
What are their plans on game updates. How often will we get the updates. How big the updates will be.
When will we catch the korean version. And will we
That is excatly what i want to hear from gameforge.
What are their planes on game updates. How often this will be. How bug update will be.
When will we catch the korean version. And will we
I say give them at least until April 1st or a week into April, and then complain if the situation is still the same. Like I mentioned before, we're just barely approaching the one-month milestone. It hasn't even been 30 days yet. I doubt we will actually catch up to KR since this is rarely ever the case in a relationship where the developer is not also the publisher.
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Display MoreOh, you guys... Let me Iaddress your first, Lathander.
"You say that there is nothing to complain about but tell that to all the threads that come in daily about legitimate issues. You might be happy with a company doing the bare minimum but GF is not even doing that."
-Did I say "NOTHING". No. Don't put words in my mouth. Most of the issues scheming about the game isn't because of Gameforge. IF you people would actually look at the main source of the updates which is Liongames and Smilgate you would see that. Some issues do revolve around Gameforge. Like for example, some of the prices in the IM. But, even then it was most likely to fill a quota asked for by the creators of the game: Liongames. But, most of them have nothing to do with what Gameforge is currently doing.Gameforge only has so much control over the game. They're just taking orders and filling quotas because they're the hosts not the devs.
"I want this game to be good and its really frustrating that they treat their players so badly. Whats even worse is when player such as yourself dismiss concerns and start name calling. Can you honestly look at this situation and say its ok?"
-I personally feel there's a fine line between complaining non-stop emotionally and actually talking about issues that hold value. You fall in the latter of complaining non-stop emotionally and your incoherent forum posts prove that much. How are they treating us badly? I think you people forget that this is a beta. Issues are still being addressed. Just because they don't directly talk to you like the spoiled entitled brat that you are doesn't mean they aren't trying to fix up the issues that are current in this release of the game. Have you ever played a game under very poor management? I don't think you have. Because if you ever have you would know what's going on currently isn't even that great of a deal of what people are making it out to be. P2W, which is what most people complain about. Where? Everything you can access for to help you in game you can grind out yourself. Events later will yield ST resets and guild name resets. IF Gameforge holds honest then we should expect to get those as well at some point in the future. More cash shop updates than game updates? We're in the beta. Even outside of the beta that's what to be expected on every server because the game has been around for roughly 3~4 years and a good chunk of those two years were either beta or class advancements. Glitches and bugs? They're addressed almost every other patch. And glitches and bugs will always been persistent in any update of the game. Because they don't get them all in a single patch doesn't mean they aren't trying. Ninja updates? Most MMOs share such a thing. This isn't a Gameforge neglecting to tell the community about information type thing. I can go down the list. What real issue is there where they're treating us badly? Lack of content updates? We're still in the beta. Even outside of the beta there's not a lot to expect in the long run outside of cash shop updates. I've been checking posts they're trying their hardest to talk to us on every server. Where are they treating us poorly? I fail to see one bit of it. What exactly are you looking for? Summing up roughly what most of your forum posts address I fail to see what you're trying to ask for.
"Damn, 50 whole players. I love how you knew the *exact* amount of people playing on the server, and totally didn't pull it outta nowhere at all. Pretty sure if it was just 50 whales, those servers and content updates would not even sustain themselves at all. They'd be better off shutting down, lol."
-I'll take that for the joke it is because I know you know what I'm saying. It's an Exaggeration. It means that the playerbase in KR is currently so low that it feels as if only 50 people are playing as of right now. In other words it's very low and that's concerning but it's also to be expected given how it's hard to compete in the Korean game scene.
And like I mentioned KR MMOs don't usually last the first few years. They might very well be close to shutting down if something doesn't happen that draws in more players to the mother server.
"They've already implemented pvp, with it's own mode and everything. Problem is, the pvp is not good."
-No they've not. Outside of district 6 and the new current mode in KR it's more of a very old alpha version released 2~3 years ago and they're still experimenting with various updates on KR and JP. This current PVP build we have on the INT server has been around for about 3? years now.
"Hopefully they take a note from Dragon Nest before it got stupid, remove superarmour or add superarmour and superarmour break values, as well as decrease the amount of "oneshot damage" you do in this game. That'd be a fantastic start to make pvp great. None of this gauge stuff. If you wanted to avoid pvp, you should take the chopper.
Also, cap stamina to 100, and make dodge just 20 instead of 40 in district 6/pvp modes, and suddenly we have a pvp system to speak about."
-Remove a core feature that designs the nature of this game? This is what I'm talking about. People complaining about everything. Super armor? Because you don't like Super armor they should remove a core feature of the game, one that actually gives it a challenge to comply to your entitlement of what you feel is acceptable? You just want to mindlessly hack and slash things? Then this probably isn't the game for you.
-Oneshot damage? The players do in this game? Since you said "we". Are you running around with a +9? Pretty hard to oneshot anything in this game if you're running with the current meta that is +6~+7. Maybe you should let off the gear a little. Because when you reach +9 of course you're going to one shot everything. It's the highest grade you can currently get.
The rest are just as subjective as the rest of something you hold personal of your perfect game rather than anything that means anything worth giving a damn over. They hold no water. So, I won't address those.
When a person has to resort to name calling you know your argument is weak. If you did in fact read my past posts and if you leisurely scroll through the forums you would know the issues. I'm not asking to be directly addressed either..l just want GF (the company that wants us to pour money into their game) to acknowledge their players concerns that's all. I mean that's what a beta is supposed to be. If you think people are complaining too much then maybe take the time to understand why instead of needlessly name calling.
Just because they don't tell us anything it doesn't mean their not acknowledging us. We're barely even 1 month into the beta and some people already expect constant new updates with new content..? Adding costumes to the shop doesn't take them much time and keeps (some) players interested in the game. And im pretty sure they're already working on preperations for the official relase or/and new content, so keeping some players interested meanwhile with costumes isn't a bad thing at all. This game isn't even out of the beta so just be patient and see what's coming next. To be honest im pretty sure u don't even want that game to succeed at all, ur not even trying to give it a chance.
On the contrary, I would love this game to succeed. I think most people who have concerns want the game to succeed. People complain because they are frustrated.
