An idea on how to handle the inflation and the unbalance of the full release

This wipe stuff get's really tiresome. What do you achieve with this? At best you pushed the problem back a few month. In worst cases you achieve nothing, because people simply don't drop the price and there will still be people able to afford said prices.

Someone who started early will always have an advantage over someone who started later. Again you achieve noting with a wipe, just postpone the problem.

Instead of something that only makes people unhappy how about thinking of something to actually solve the problem? Give a possibility to get soulcash via the ingame currency and make sure ingame items are plentifully on the markt. Problem solved.

I'll be blunt. This is simply a very, very bad idea. It look like more of an impulse rather then something a lot of tought went into. For example the OP states in no way how this would positively effect the game. It just takes it as given. It really shouldn't take much time to realize that this does not solve the problem and also would be a disaster for GFs credibility. So please stop that nonsense about a wipe. It's a bad idea and won't happen anyway.

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This would just make everyone quit.

Its not the end of the world for them.

they still get to keep their AR cards and other premium stuff.

People were promised no wipe. Of course they would quit!

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you're not going to change anything by wiping anything, it's just gonna come back.

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Yeah it will but this time during the release everyone has a chance to be on par with each other.

Not wiping anything,but any thing that would bring a advantage,like the eq,status and leveles,dz and inventory,with its exceptions.I don't know your feeling if you spent dz or soulcash on a outfit and seeing it wiped.

You don't need equal stats or level to make money. You need time, dedication, and know how to play the market.

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Basically at Full release

New player: Dedicates 200 Hours and saves 20Mil

Beta Player: Dedicates 100 Hours and Sells items for 500Mil

That would surely discourage the newer player.

the problem is the HUGE time gap between a beta player and a newer dedicated player

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New players and beta players aren't all that different when they're both at the same level. There is no infinite gearing or scaling of stats that makes it increasingly easier to make money. Be realistic

You have a point but though you get the gears and Dz from raids the problem still lies the fact the amount of Dz given at each end of raid is same unless the devs would change it.

Considering that the market is Player-Based everything would surely rise due to the fact that Dz is just looping around the market and fashion is mostly affected.

You can still play this game even without paying(For now)

But Fashion is one of the End-Game Content there is and every player want their only signature look.Unless there would be a player auction (that gives special items)of a certain NPC then the Dz loop would still go on.At a certain situation the market would have probably reach 100mil and raids would still give the same amount of Dz. I hope i'm making sense.

even the fashion material prices are rising.

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That's how I see this game, as every other mmo.

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A wipe would obviously balance the game a bit more and the items in the market would be cheaper for a while, but, if the players didn't already quit by then, it would just return to the same situation we're in now (maybe even worse). That would mean that new players are at a huge disadvantage again. What then? Another wipe?

I'm not completely against a wipe, but it would hurt the game more than help it in its current situation, in my opinion.

Yeah,but then the new players would be disavantaged that they can't handle the prices we,the maxed out players,have set up at our standards

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Notice the Spike during the full release in 2017( KR version)?

If we cant appeal newer players Then basically only people who played during open beta will probably be just the people playing this game.The standard we set is already big enough.

?? hmmmm even they do the wipe thing or your suggestion still it has disadvantages. you are considering the new comers? how about the players from beta esp the ones that played since day1. this is the nature of mmo. as Alzii said :"New players and beta players aren't all that different when they're both at the same level. There is no infinite gearing or scaling of stats that makes it increasingly easier to make money. Be realistic " < this is the real thing

Surely the first thing I do when I look into a game is how much cash shop items cost in ingame currency. Who cares about the gameplay, right? Seriously, why would people wait to play the game until it's fully released? They can start right now and even get a bonus. That spike is at this very moment for SW NA/EU.

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Surely the first thing I do when I look into a game is how much cash shop items cost in ingame currency. Who cares about the gameplay, right? Seriously, why would people wait to play the game until it's fully released? They can start right now and even get a bonus. That spike is at this very moment for SW NA/EU.

Well maybe because the game is very buggy right now?

Very buggy? Which game breaking bugs are you talking about? If some minor bugs keep you from playing you probably won't play the full released version either. If I really like something I surely wouldn't wit month until they remove some version label.

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Very buggy? Which game breaking bugs are you talking about? If some minor bugs keep you from playing you probably won't play the full released version either. If I really like something I surely wouldn't wit month until they remove some version label.

Not really sure if this breaks the game but i've experience so far are

Main PC:Windows 7 professional

the NA server issues

Character list disappearing when switching server(Maybe fixed)Still happens

Enemy cant be or wont be triggered.

My character Flew above the map.(think its fixed)Cant confirmed

Cant 100% candus city

premium store wont appear a times.

sometimes servers wont appear when starting game.

Some Skills get bugged when hits a something or a barricade(lily)

Cunsor wont work when two people dies or leaves dungeon together.

Game crashes when claiming all my mail together.

Game randomly crashing.

Game crashes doing Alt+Tabing

Thats about what i got.

but there is a forum section dedicated to Bug and issues you should check it out.

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A wipe would obviously balance the game a bit more and the items in the market would be cheaper for a while, but, if the players didn't already quit by then, it would just return to the same situation we're in now (maybe even worse). That would mean that new players are at a huge disadvantage again. What then? Another wipe?

I'm not completely against a wipe, but it would hurt the game more than help it in its current situation, in my opinion.

Yeah,but then the new players would be disavantaged that they can't handle the prices we,the maxed out players,have set up at our standards

I might be rude but..

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"BuT tHeN nEw PlAyErS wOuLd Be DiSaDvAnTaGeD"

What will be the difference between a player that will come right after obr, and a player that will come 1 year (if the game wont die earmier) later?

Right, none. Both would adapt, just like any other mmo

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That's how I see this game, as every other mmo.

AS I SAID!!!

Also game crashing randomly or claiming all your emails and the game crash, this two things happens also on korean version.

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None of those are game break. Most happen spontaneous. Some are limited to a single server. Do you really think people wait because of that? I highly doubt this.

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None of those are game break. Most happen spontaneous. Some are limited to a single server. Do you really think people wait because of that? I highly doubt this.

Well they sure do not break the game but this are only my problems also Server issues isn't the main issue.

maybe other face the same bug or not.truly depends it doesn't break the game but it breaks the mood of you playing.i do consider it annoying that ill suddenly disconnect while doing a manic run and closing and reopening the client just for the servers to appear.

Also as stated "Not really sure if this breaks the game" i've only mentioned some bugs i encountered.

If your asking some game breaking bugs then I'm really sure the VIP Energy exploit is pretty broken right now.

Everyone had the same start when the beta started. So what was the point exactly?

No, you just think that this is desirable for everybody. People aren't reading to quick and they don't misunderstand you. They just don't care about a fresh start and rather keep the stuff they worked for. I personally absolutely do not care if I start later then somebody else or what other people have in their possession. However I do care about the progress I made.

My suggestion is don't do it. There really isn't a problem with that so called gap. This is trying to fix a non existing problem.

Where are you getting this ''85% of the server with endgame stuff and millions of DZ'' from? How could you call this a partial wipe? There's nearly no difference between this and a full wipe, seems weird to call the AR cards and the premium stuff to be the only relevant things to keep when people loaded up SC to get some DZs as well, regardless if the point of keeping those is because they do not ''make a gap between veteran and new players'' it symply doesn't makes sense, the veteran players basically have to pay for the time/money they invested just for a ''more fair'' start with the new ones? Have to clarify that they would pay twice because as some already said this ''partial'' wipe will only postpone such ''issues'' as this will eventually happend again so what would be the point?

Also, at least for the ones with some time playing MMOs you could easily figure out that this game economy would going to move with several millions of DZ when as lvl 20 you had 3~5m DZ without that much effort and when you reached the cap you could easily get 10~20m DZ per day so the only big difference between veteran and new players would have ended on terms of 'only cash' fashion stuff since you could grind for your gears and catch veteran players up so I don't see any issue there.

I didn't read every reply but I'm pretty agree with Nitros. It's a bad idea to wipe others' data, especially when you already promised you won't do it. While publisher could simply lose trust from doing this, you'll never now how much life have others put in.

But suggestion is a suggestion. If Gameforge decide to take it I believe they will simply open a new server after official release. As I known they did it a lot on their web-games and it truly is the least-cost solution on pushing players to the same start point (though I personally against it since it divide the population).