alt farm nerf

    I don't understand... why you should even rank up. When ranking is supposed to speed up your alt farming. Basically saying STOP PLAYING!Because there's NO new content for PVE, NO new raids, NO new characters, NO hints on when an events to fix this problem that's coming our way anytime soon.


    Even if they release events we WILL be HEAVILY relying on events to give us a reason to play.


    This game needs to be put back into BETA. It's not ready. It's far from ready.

    Rank = +XP for Other characters


    Repeating of a downfall in History. Why don't people learn.

    Similar to Destiny 2 kek.


    Fix the game before you change anything.

    So for what do you need those things anyway? The game shouldn't be balanced around Akasha Cards and upgrades anyway. With a +4 and no cards you should still be able to enjoy the game. Everything else should just be an extra, like costumes. or unlocking an easy mode. People complained about things being to easy, that does make it harder. Not fun, but harder. ;)


    No, the game won't die. If they release a new character in like two week the game will probably be extremely active.

    No idea how you come up with this. There are plenty of games that do the same. This just isn't your super popular MMORPG that is super F2P friendly. Again setting oneself up for disappointment. I fully expect this game monetisationon be based on whaling, like so many others. One look at the cash shop was enough to understand this. it works, that's why it's done.

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    So for what do you need those things anyway? The game shouldn't beb balanced around Akasha Cards and upgrades anyway. With a +4 and no cards you should still be able to enjoy the game. Everything else should just be an extra, like costumes. or unlocking an easy mode. People complained about things being to easy, that does make it harder. Not fun, but harder. ;)

    That is true. BUT and this one is a big BUT you need the akasha's for the end-game content to even try to attempt the raids. Trust me it's almost impossible to do it first try without the help of these Akasha's. If you know how the raid works you can attempt it without 'em but you'll feel the difference

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    JakunaErwin

    Yeah, but then this is the problem. They shouldn't be needed. Feeling a difference is fine as long as it's reasonable doable. Being like "Congratulation for level 55, now farm you CS items via alt farming to progress!" isn't going to do the game any good either.


    Relying on any source of CS item just should't exist. Those things are there to make the game easier for the paying people or just simply more enjoyable. They should not be part the normal progression.

    Typical GreedForge management, this game has potential as an anime MMO though... Hopefully GF's team communicates with (feedback) and updates (patches) you guys better as there is more game content to be released such as Jin & Iris as playable characters, GC & Primal raids, and their respective gear.

    No Waifu No Laifu

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    If it means less "OMG, they are nerfing my free stuff, not even removing it, I got while exploiting a function that wasn't designed to be used that way.", yep definitively an improvement.


    One could also argue if people didn't abuse the exploit, there would have been no need to change it. Aren't half of the people here also the ones complaining the game is to easy and were very supportive of the difficultly changes in the newbie raids?

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    All them crybabies that quit will result in alot better ingame community... thats just how i look at it :P


    No offence :saint:

    At the current rate of removing content over releasing contet, sure, you can enjoy your better (i.e. tiny and contracting) ingame community. Not sure if gameforge will enjoy that though.

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    JakunaErwin

    Yeah, but then this is the problem. They shouldn't be needed. Feeling a difference is fine as long as it's reasonable doable. Being like "Congratulation for level 55, now farm you CS items via alt farming to progress!" isn't going to do the game any good either.


    Relying on any source of CS item just should't exist. Those things are there to make the game easier for the paying people or just simply more enjoyable. They should not be part the normal progression.

    They are not cash shop specific items though, through the leveling process you are rewarded with these card which in turn makes them part of your progressing whether you like it or not. The fact that they then make it a cash shop exclusive system once you have used up all avenues of acquiring them in game is just bad game design. It is inexcusable to add in a system only to paywall it, even if it isnt "needed" the system is still there and is meant to be used.


    I like how when people make complaints about other stuff like fatigue and shit then you guys instantly tell them that devs put it in the game for a reason and the game is meant to be played with it in mind. Then when people start complaining about how a system is paywalled and they are unable to use it to its fullest extent you say that the system isnt needed and the problem should be ignored? Really?

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    Quote from @win

    All them crybabies that quit will result in alot better ingame community... thats just how i look at it :P


    No offence :saint:

    At the current rate of removing content over releasing contet, sure, you can enjoy your better (i.e. tiny and contracting) ingame community. Not sure if gameforge will enjoy that though.

    They didn't remove any content. You can still create a charakter to farm it's only slowed down. Sry but this topic is like a Nursery school. You are crying about a fix which comes from Lion games. Other Server never had these options to farm these items and they are still alive. Korea hasn't even the Option of banksharing which we have. They could easy close our banksharing too to fix this exploid instead. But they havn't they only make it harder to do. I'm sure we will get an other Option to get these items. At the other Server you can trade the items for upgrading your equip via market. The only thing you need is IG money which is easily to make with raids. Most of you still havn't your equipment done or ready for GC. But its easier to cry its to hard instead oft doing something to prevent this.:/

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    Korea hasn't even the Option of banksharing which we have.

    I am pretty sure you are thinking of JP that does not have a shared bank. Our version is pretty much the KR version with some obvious broken stuff the bank not being one of them.

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    They are not cash shop specific items though, through the leveling process you are rewarded with these card which in turn makes them part of your progressing whether you like it or not.


    You are simply wrong about this and that was stated pretty clearly.

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    Hello everyone,


    The rewards that are given out to new users to help them get started in the game have been exploited. It is not intended that players farm them using the character deletion function. That’s the reason why we had to implement this measure.


    Thank you for your understanding.

    They are en extra for newer players to make starting the game easier. By no means are they intended to be farmable and as such required.


    What you believe isn't the case. You have a official statement telling you so. That's the real fact, like it or not.

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    I swear this person would eat shit if fail forge told they to do so

    I got a really good laugh out of that. Thanks. Mostly because you think I was defending Gameforge.

    I'm not defending their practices. There have been lists about the things they're doing poorly. Their practices on just about everything are player-unfriendly and do not have longevity in mind.


    What baffles me about this is that nobody saw this coming. Did you really think constantly creating and deleting characters was an intended mechanic? They sell anti-des, akasha transmitters, respawners, just about every other "premium" consumable in the shop. Do you think that's because they don't want you to buy them? They instead intentionally want you to create and delete characters a million times. This really shows how little this community knows about game design. Here you are, yelling about a fix that was obviously going to get implemented because of something so obviously unintended, yelling about how the new raid difficulty is "challenging" and "more fun" when it's probably the poorest example of difficulty design possible in a video game. Here you are talking about how endgame is boring and you need more content to stay satisfied when content would be like applying a band-aid to a gunshot wound. The underlying problem is the game is about as deep as a puddle. Glitchy, casual, anti-skill based nonsense designed at every juncture to make you pay money. At least, this version is. ...Which, I'm not sure why is a surprise to anybody! Isn't this the evil publisher Gameforge we're talking about here? But that has nothing to do with the fact that it doesn't take very many brain cells to figure out this was completely unintended. This was more a case of nolifes being nolifes and grinding the bloody hell out of a video game with almost no depth.


    Sorry, but them's the facts. This is a free to play video game, not a pay to play. I'm not excusing the price difference between regions, territories, the free to play model in general, just excusing the expectance of everything to be so easily obtainable, without spending, by means of something so obviously unintended in a free to play video game.


    If you don't want this to be the case, which nobody does, then start telling Lion/GF how much you want this to be a pay to play instead and allow us to get every item via reasonable means in game. Imagine getting rare cosmetic drops off of endgame bosses or something!... cool, huh?

    Are you really trying to tell me the akasha card system is ONLY for new players? You can not possibly be serious.


    If you put a system into the game for the soul purpose of helping new players then there would be no reason to put them on the cash shop. Because as you said they are for NEW players ONLY, and are not meant to be used once in endgame. The fact that it takes so many cards, more then you would get from playing a single character to even upgrade cards proves that its a systems the developers want players to spend time with even after they are max level.

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    Quote from @win

    All them crybabies that quit will result in alot better ingame community... thats just how i look at it :P


    No offence :saint:

    At the current rate of removing content over releasing contet, sure, you can enjoy your better (i.e. tiny and contracting) ingame community. Not sure if gameforge will enjoy that though.

    They didn't remove any content. You can still create a charakter to farm it's only slowed down. Sry but this topic is like a Nursery school. You are crying about a fix which comes from Lion games. Other Server never had these options to farm these items and they are still alive. Korea hasn't even the Option of banksharing which we have. They could easy close our banksharing too to fix this exploid instead. But they havn't they only make it harder to do. I'm sure we will get an other Option to get these items. At the other Server you can trade the items for upgrading your equip via market. The only thing you need is IG money which is easily to make with raids. Most of you still havn't your equipment done or ready for GC. But its easier to cry its to hard instead oft doing something to prevent this.:/

    At this point, many have several hundreds of weapon and armour chips sitting in their inventory, level 9 soulstones, full spare MK3 sets and extra materials sitting in bank, costumes that they want, spare money on hand, 100% completion on all towns/district/raids, the achievements that they want to hit. There really isn't a point to running raids any more, even if you close your eyes to the fact that we've have been doing that repeatedly for a month and counting.


    The CORE issue that i keep repeating is that they removed something that people find themselves spending a large proportion of their time on, due to the lack of content that they want to run. The result of this is that these people end up with practically nothing they want to do in the game. You can say what you want, but the fact of the matter is that when people run out of things they want to do, they simply leave.


    It's really just that simple. And it's in Gameforge's interest to retain players, as it is one of the biggest factors in their revenue generation. Take away alt farms, sure, there's truthfully nothing wrong with that. Pair that with additional content to cater to players and you're golden. But they've approached this in a really bad way, and you can see the reaction of the community to this.