Gameforge, please listen. (Long post)

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Everyone should like this post. As much as I like revamped raids and alt farm fix (nerf), all other invisible strings attached is pretty much bs at this point.

You like the alt farm nerf? What are you some kind of whale that hates f2pers having ways to obtain cards? Not everyone wants to drop cash on a really bad NA port.

Now that's prejudice. I never said I hated f2p players and you can still get cards by completing districts. I just don't think it should be farmable but its w.e.

And please don't derail the topic.

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Everyone should like this post. As much as I like revamped raids and alt farm fix (nerf), all other invisible strings attached is pretty much bs at this point.

You like the alt farm nerf? What are you some kind of whale that hates f2pers having ways to obtain cards? Not everyone wants to drop cash on a really bad NA port.

Now that's prejudice. I never said I hated f2p players and you can still get cards by completing districts. I just don't think it should be farmable but its w.e.

And please don't derail the topic.

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1. To litte knowledge can't judge. I assume the statement is correct.
2. Just because other servers don't have it as well doesn't mean they shouldn't change it.
   • I have to say the community is partially to blame for this too. They wanted the raids to stay changed without proper knowledge about the revamp. Poor Judgment on GF and LG side to listen to that in my opinion
3. Just recruit a team from the community like they do with the mods. Then it's the communities responsibility. That's the only way I think this is financially possible.
4. Good look asking this over and over again. I gave up, your time to run into a wall.
5. As someone who develops software... won't happen, unless you want one update per 6 month. Software is made by people and people make mistakes. This will always happen and can only be prevented with a very high level of test automation. Probably not possible in a game, let's just use #4 to reduce the effect.

The best thing you can currently do is probably to release Golden Citadel asap. Assuming it partially fixes #2.

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Sold two energy Converter For 39,999,999 each Cant remove them now thanks to this Stupid 3 Gb update in steam. Hope you enjoy horading

Hello everyone sorry for my English in advance! I come from the French server, and since the novelties of this morning, we are all disgusted with the game, most players already stop the game well before for lack of content, and now the players who are staying on want to leave because of the changes that become worse and worse and are useless if we say that .. the game will die if they continue their bullshit, I like playing a soul worker but now I just want to play less games and find another one unfortunately.

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Hello everyone sorry for my English in advance! I come from the French server, and since the novelties of this morning, we are all disgusted with the game, most players already stop the game well before for lack of content, and now the players who are staying on want to leave because of the changes that become worse and worse and are useless if we say that .. the game will die if they continue their bullshit, I like playing a soul worker but now I just want to play less games and find another one unfortunately.

Sadly i feel same and hopefully they can think of something

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Sold two energy Converter For 39,999,999 each Cant remove them now thanks to this Stupid 3 Gb update in steam. Hope you enjoy horading

120 000 000 here... RIP SW (Im french too and now i'm waiting for new update -> this version of SW -> )

I am sure they already have a QA team, they are just terrible at their job or gameforge has them check very specific things. So it is not they need a QA team they need their QA team to do a better job. Also i brought up testing the patches they get in another thread and the response i got from some people was it is to much work or "do you expect them to test everything!?" etc.

Gameforge actually has the same employees in charge of all the games for most departments ie. Customer Support. I wouldn't count on this game to have a specialized QA team.

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I am sure they already have a QA team, they are just terrible at their job or gameforge has them check very specific things.

Pretty sure they only check "very specific things" like the premium shop is working properly and looks enticing enough to buy whenever they add something new to it. Hue.

We need to get rid of the gold seller and bots before everything, seriously.

its funny that we post so many but they never talk with us about it, I think no one in team focus on fourm.

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its funny that we post so many but they never talk with us about it, I think no one in team focus on fourm.

they are already facing bugs and more problems how much more can they handle the Angry community.

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Before, you guys were arguing that the raid revamps will come eventually anyways so we may as well have it now rather than later and petitioned to keep the revamped raids. Completely disregarding the fact that the changes in difficulty were meant for a player base drastically different than ours due to the power creep and much stronger players in other regions when the raids were revamped.

Those who were already very well geared were still able to do those raids, so they didn't care how it affected the newer players. All they saw was how it benefitted themselves

lol, completely this. But it's no surprise

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The difficulty of the current revamped raids is nothing that you can't handle in entry level 55 gear.

Lol. Entry level. What's that? Un-upgraded Vicarious? +4? Anything higher and it's not that "entry level"

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You just have to learn the mechanics and improve yourself.

improve what? I've said it before, there's one mechanic. Dodge. LC room 2 is more than enough to illustrate why this is not an improvement. You can't walk around freely, so the "strategic" thing to do is to mosey your way into a corner or along the sides. This is conveniently where they spawn, where it gives you terrible camera angles, and where they will eventually swarm you easily. Additionally, keep in mind not everyone has Haru's cute little screen wipe that deals a million damage, so you've got to actually hit things and hit them a lot. If you're trying to sell me on "just dodge everything", which is this game's only element of skill, then you must have cards that allow you to spam dodge, because all those enemies on the screen demand a hefty amount of stamina in order to dodge all their attacks. Actually, I'd go the route of saying without stamina regen cards or stamina stats it's impossible. So the end result for everyone that's not exceptionally well geared and Haru, you sit in the corner getting stunned by 6 super armored Jokaquin bosses while you hopelessly try to get hits off on them, unable to kite them or use any actual strategy other than the grand total of the 1 mechanic this game includes. Huh.

You've got a combination: Low DPS (unless you've got a great weapon), 20% of the surface area that is traversable, melee focused gameplay with ranged attacks on the enemies, the attacks include stun which removes dodge potential, the strategy includes "dodge everything" and "sit in a corner so you don't get interrupted by the massive AOE" only one of which is actually possible because there are too many enemies to do the former, but being forced to a corner removes a ton of actual strategy and dodge potential

Do you even know what difficulty is? I'll answer that question for you; No. It's not putting the player in kooky crazy situations and expecting them to be able to like.. 'somehow' get through it. It's putting players in a situation designed around the core mechanics that's extremely hard in relation to the rest of the game. In relation to the game's actual mechanical design. I don't know about you, but I don't remember all the other times I had to dodge massive screen-filling AOE. And what's most important, is giving players the means to complete it successfully. Giving players the means to complete it perfectly. When that's possible in LC room 2 I'll come back and tell you it's a vastly improved skill based iteration. Right now it's a complete joke of a mindless XD spam-fest in which you need the highest of the high gear, akashas etc to even stand a chance and if we're being honest, without that, a team to separate aggro so you don't get XD'd by 6 ranged stun attacks and to deal damage that is reasonable.

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they are already facing bugs and more problems how much more can they handle the Angry community.

They'll just leave the bugs as is (not like they'll bother fixing it anyway), until Golden Citadel releases. Or they might just release the newest raid KR just got for NA/EU and never give us Golden Citadel. Now imagine how much of an outrage that would cause.

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they are already facing bugs and more problems how much more can they handle the Angry community.

They'll just leave the bugs as is (not like they'll bother fixing it anyway), until Golden Citadel releases. Or they might just release the newest raid KR just got for NA/EU and never give us Golden Citadel. Now imagine how much of an outrage that would cause.

This is all assuming the Game stays alive that long. The Steam chart numbers look extremely brutal Im expecting sub 1k by Summer.

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Before, you guys were arguing that the raid revamps will come eventually anyways so we may as well have it now rather than later and petitioned to keep the revamped raids. Completely disregarding the fact that the changes in difficulty were meant for a player base drastically different than ours due to the power creep and much stronger players in other regions when the raids were revamped.

Those who were already very well geared were still able to do those raids, so they didn't care how it affected the newer players. All they saw was how it benefitted themselves

lol, completely this. But it's no surprise

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The difficulty of the current revamped raids is nothing that you can't handle in entry level 55 gear.

Lol. Entry level. What's that? Un-upgraded Vicarious? +4? Anything higher and it's not that "entry level"

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You just have to learn the mechanics and improve yourself.

improve what? I've said it before, there's one mechanic. Dodge. LC room 2 is more than enough to illustrate why this is not an improvement. You can't walk around freely, so the "strategic" thing to do is to mosey your way into a corner or along the sides. This is conveniently where they spawn, where it gives you terrible camera angles, and where they will eventually swarm you easily. Additionally, keep in mind not everyone has Haru's cute little screen wipe that deals a million damage, so you've got to actually hit things and hit them a lot. If you're trying to sell me on "just dodge everything", which is this game's only element of skill, then you must have cards that allow you to spam dodge, because all those enemies on the screen demand a hefty amount of stamina in order to dodge all their attacks. Actually, I'd go the route of saying without stamina regen cards or stamina stats it's impossible. So the end result for everyone that's not exceptionally well geared and Haru, you sit in the corner getting stunned by 6 super armored Jokaquin bosses while you hopelessly try to get hits off on them, unable to kite them or use any actual strategy other than the grand total of the 1 mechanic this game includes. Huh.

You've got a combination: Low DPS (unless you've got a great weapon), 20% of the surface area that is traversable, melee focused gameplay with ranged attacks on the enemies, the attacks include stun which removes dodge potential, the strategy includes "dodge everything" and "sit in a corner so you don't get interrupted by the massive AOE" only one of which is actually possible because there are too many enemies to do the former, but being forced to a corner removes a ton of actual strategy and dodge potential

Do you even know what difficulty is? I'll answer that question for you; No. It's not putting the player in kooky crazy situations and expecting them to be able to like.. 'somehow' get through it. It's putting players in a situation designed around the core mechanics that's extremely hard in relation to the rest of the game. In relation to the game's actual mechanical design. I don't know about you, but I don't remember all the other times I had to dodge massive screen-filling AOE. And what's most important, is giving players the means to complete it successfully. Giving players the means to complete it perfectly. When that's possible in LC room 2 I'll come back and tell you it's a vastly improved skill based iteration. Right now it's a complete joke of a mindless XD spam-fest in which you need the highest of the high gear, akashas etc to even stand a chance and if we're being honest, without that, a team to separate aggro so you don't get XD'd by 6 ranged stun attacks and to deal damage that is reasonable.

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I also solo LC with +4 wep and shion/suzie set, thats pretty much as entry in order to do raids. You could probably do it wearing 55 blues if you really wanted too it would just take longer to run the raid. The 2nd room in LC actually got easier to clear with 04/19/18 patch, the Jokaquins die faster now. It just takes time to learn some raids like in any other game where you need to learn boss fights.

Careful lilabelle... you used haru auto attacks. Thems is broken.