Those prices actually aren't that bad.
Thats pretty cheap... xd
I also think that's pretty reasonable haha...I'd much rather be able to buy them with DZ than farm alts all day
It’ll stabilize some, but I’d expect 5-8 mil on ak cards and 12-15 on antis
Assuming the leveling/completion rewards are the same, you will see that price drop when people start doing the new farming method.
Edit: nvm, the new farming method I was thinking about has been halted by separating the shop items from ones earned from completion. Ah well, still better for the overall health of the game than completely nerfing alts.
Assuming the leveling/completion rewards are the same, you will see that price drop when people start doing the new farming method.
There is no farming method for this. Only items you buy from the cash shop with real money(cash soulqube) will be trade able on the market. The rewards that you get from district completion will still remain account bound. You will not be able to trade or market those.
At least, that's my current understanding.
Of course, prices will be high in the beginning. If we get more action (more people actively into the game) with the new patch, more might buy things from the cash shop and sell them on the Market. Otherwise, it's just going to be high prices, but at least you have the option to buy them with in-game currency, which is definitely a plus.
Display MoreAssuming the leveling/completion rewards are the same, you will see that price drop when people start doing the new farming method.
There is no farming method for this. Only items you buy from the cash shop with real money(cash soulqube) will be trade able on the market. The rewards that you get from district completion will still remain account bound. You will not be able to trade or market those.
At least, that's my current understanding.
Of course, prices will be high in the beginning. If we get more action (more people actively into the game) with the new patch, more might buy things from the cash shop and sell them on the Market. Otherwise, it's just going to be high prices, but at least you have the option to buy them with in-game currency, which is definitely a plus.
We are both assuming things. I guess we will have to wait for someone to confirm if we can trade the completion rewards. I didn't even think they would separate the two but it's possible.
So we asked for brooches to be tradeable/sellable/discardable - instead they increased the gap of f2p and p2w players GG
Ill try to play aslong as possible, but even for me as a day 1 player, im losing motivation everytime they do something stupid like this.
PS: Show me what you got white knights !
So we asked for brooches to be tradeable/sellable/discardable - instead they increased the gap of f2p and p2w players GG
Ill try to play aslong as possible, but even for me as a day 1 player, im losing motivation everytime they do something stupid like this.
PS: Show me what you got white knights !
I don't get it, are you mad that you can, if you have the Dzenai that you could buy stuff you couldn't before? Or are you mad, that people who spent € on the game can actually sell something ? Either way, there is nothing to be mad about. Some people value their time more than their €.
So we asked for brooches to be tradeable/sellable/discardable - instead they increased the gap of f2p and p2w players GG
Ill try to play aslong as possible, but even for me as a day 1 player, im losing motivation everytime they do something stupid like this.
PS: Show me what you got white knights !
I don't get it, are you mad that you can, if you have the Dzenai that you could buy stuff you couldn't before? Or are you mad, that people who spent € on the game can actually sell something ? Either way, there is nothing to be mad about. Some people value their time more than their €.
Im not mad, just dissapointed, with this move they basicly gave whales the option to control the market even more. Sure i can buy the stuff i got dz enough thx to no life farming in the first few weeks, but Looking at the inflation AGAIN increasing, makes me say why even bother farming dz.
example: oh i need to buy g vip to make farming even worth it, k i need to spend 80kk, lemme farm a day or 2(depending on rng and me not needing any of the drops i get). Oh i got enough.....oh no ppl bought the stuff i need and resell for even more time and time again.
And thats for me as a day 1 player.
How will it feel/look for new players?
Anyway again not mad, just dissapointed, i thank the ppl willing to spend thousands of dollars/euro's just to keep the game alive, but imo this will backfire in the longrun.
Display MoreDisplay MoreAssuming the leveling/completion rewards are the same, you will see that price drop when people start doing the new farming method.
There is no farming method for this. Only items you buy from the cash shop with real money(cash soulqube) will be trade able on the market. The rewards that you get from district completion will still remain account bound. You will not be able to trade or market those.
At least, that's my current understanding.
Of course, prices will be high in the beginning. If we get more action (more people actively into the game) with the new patch, more might buy things from the cash shop and sell them on the Market. Otherwise, it's just going to be high prices, but at least you have the option to buy them with in-game currency, which is definitely a plus.
We are both assuming things. I guess we will have to wait for someone to confirm if we can trade the completion rewards. I didn't even think they would separate the two but it's possible.
I am in-game, so I can confirm my statement now. Only items bought from the Cash Shop with real money (Premium item label) can be listed on the market. The completion rewards (Common item label), cannot.
Display MoreDisplay MoreDisplay MoreAssuming the leveling/completion rewards are the same, you will see that price drop when people start doing the new farming method.
There is no farming method for this. Only items you buy from the cash shop with real money(cash soulqube) will be trade able on the market. The rewards that you get from district completion will still remain account bound. You will not be able to trade or market those.
At least, that's my current understanding.
Of course, prices will be high in the beginning. If we get more action (more people actively into the game) with the new patch, more might buy things from the cash shop and sell them on the Market. Otherwise, it's just going to be high prices, but at least you have the option to buy them with in-game currency, which is definitely a plus.
We are both assuming things. I guess we will have to wait for someone to confirm if we can trade the completion rewards. I didn't even think they would separate the two but it's possible.
I am in-game, so I can confirm my statement now. Only items bought from the Cash Shop with real money (Premium item label) can be listed on the market. The completion rewards (Common item label), cannot.
Ffffffff, I knew it was too good to be true. Ah well I guess I can't make super easy gold.
the game is dead 
Well doesn't matter what GF do, people will keep complaining.
No more 1 hr alt farm? GF is bad, now we have no way to obtain those items except going for level 24 route, but that require effort and time, I am f2p i ain't got time for that. you can pay to save time, hell no, i dont have money for that and i don't wanna put effort into work in real life to spend in game or effort into farming 5-6 hrs to get to 24 with alt. Ooh, now we can buy it from cash user, it's p2w game. All those stuff should just give us players for free or spend little effort and get a lot of goods. Game company not making profit? who cares if they make money or not, just make us players have all the goods, your financial issue is ur own issue, i don't wanna work hard for what i want, so u should give it to me for free.
Those people are usually people that don't wanna spend time, but want all the goods.
Don't wanna spend money, but want all the goods.
Don't wanna put in effort, but want all the goods.
It's like in real world, you can't get quality, speed and cost all at once.
You want good items and to get it fast, it will cost u a lot (Spend real money or a lot DZ).
You want good items that cost you nothing, then don't expect to get it fast. go grind.
You want fast and cheap, then don't expect to be able to get good quality item.
I was expecting them to be at least 20m considering this server economy is broken. 10m is reasonable.
10 Mil is reasonable if you think about it hair color is about the 3-4x the that price on NA. So the prices aren't too crazy and if no one buys it well prices may drop a bit. It's still the first day most people are at work/school/sleep etc....
I rather farm my two alts to lv 24 weekly, than buying akashas and antis for dzneai. Why? Lets do some quick math ( I like math):
Farming two alts takes on avarage 10hrs for both together. In that 10hrs you get 34 akashas, 26 antis and some other nice stuff.
Lets assume, you will buy akashas for 10mio each and antis for 15mio each. That would be 730mio to spend for this items.
Now we have to calculate, how to get 730mio in 10hrs of endgame gameplay.
I'll take LC for example, because its the fastest raid and the only one with two fragment drops.
Lets assume, the avarage player needs 6 minutes to do this raid (loadingscreen etc. included). That are 100 runs in 10hrs.
I guess its fair to say, that youre getting like 5 inferior fragments, 0.4 common fragments and 0.1 superior fragments on avarage per run. (sometimes there are dropping 2 superior on a run, but I also had a day with 20+ runs without seeing any).
On 100 runs, that are: 500 inferior, 40 common and 10 superior fragments.
Taking the prices of the german server (because I'm playing there) that would be on avarge (because prices differ a little bit depending on the element):
500 * 130.000 = 65.000.000
40 * 1.200.000= 48.000.000
10 * 9.000.000 = 90.000.000
203.000.000 purely from selling every fragment you get, without needing any. Add 100 runs with like 250.000 pure dzenai drop and we are at 228.000.000. Assume we were lucky and got like 7 of that new refiners (10mio each atm) and we are at 298.000.000.
Maybe we were lucky again and got 5 really good accessoirs that are selling for 15 mio each (Prices are sinking every day because they are droping like candy) and we are at 373.000.000. Lets round up to 400 mio, because of the small drops like stones and ores and refiners.
Thats a little bit over 50% what we are needing for buying akashas and antis. Not even including the strength expansion tickets, ressurection stones and 2k+ grutin gold.
After all that math, that may be a little incorrect on some drops, because rng is a god here, its save to say, that even with REALLY lucky drops and maybe double the amount of common and superior fragments, that farming alts is more efficent. :x
Have a good day, and dont hate me for my bad english! 
Display MoreI rather farm my two alts to lv 24 weekly, than buying akashas and antis for dzneai. Why? Lets do some quick math ( I like math):
Farming two alts takes on avarage 10hrs for both together. In that 10hrs you get 34 akashas, 26 antis and some other nice stuff.Lets assume, you will buy akashas for 10mio each and antis for 15mio each. That would be 730mio to spend for this items.
Now we have to calculate, how to get 730mio in 10hrs of endgame gameplay.
I'll take LC for example, because its the fastest raid and the only one with two fragment drops.
Lets assume, the avarage player needs 6 minutes to do this raid (loadingscreen etc. included). That are 100 runs in 10hrs.
I guess its fair to say, that youre getting like 5 inferior fragments, 0.4 common fragments and 0.1 superior fragments on avarage per run. (sometimes there are dropping 2 superior on a run, but I also had a day with 20+ runs without seeing any).On 100 runs, that are: 500 inferior, 40 common and 10 superior fragments.
Taking the prices of the german server (because I'm playing there) that would be on avarge (because prices differ a little bit depending on the element):
500 * 130.000 = 65.000.000
40 * 1.200.000= 48.000.000
10 * 9.000.000 = 90.000.000
203.000.000 purely from selling every fragment you get, without needing any. Add 100 runs with like 250.000 pure dzenai drop and we are at 228.000.000. Assume we were lucky and got like 7 of that new refiners (10mio each atm) and we are at 298.000.000.
Maybe we were lucky again and got 5 really good accessoirs that are selling for 15 mio each (Prices are sinking every day because they are droping like candy) and we are at 373.000.000. Lets round up to 400 mio, because of the small drops like stones and ores and refiners.
Thats a little bit over 50% what we are needing for buying akashas and antis. Not even including the strength expansion tickets, ressurection stones and 2k+ grutin gold.
After all that math, that may be a little incorrect on some drops, because rng is a god here, its save to say, that even with REALLY lucky drops and maybe double the amount of common and superior fragments, that farming alts is more efficent. :x
Have a good day, and dont hate me for my bad english!
Exactly~ actually alt farming is still pretty efficient if u can manage to get it to 24. Just that 24 route require a lot more effort than level 11 route, where u only spend 1 hr and u gets all the goodies. So it's like almost 0 effort u got 20 USD worth of item. Even I am a big spender in the game, i do alt farm instead of buying soulcash. The only time i buy soulcash is for outfit, and 100 USD can buy almost 3-4 of the outfit sets already. spend 2 times, i don't have to spend on cash shop anymore, just keep doin the 1hr alt farm. So the alt nerf is reasonable, right now it's still efficient to farm alt just not as super efficient as before. (but you see, there is always ppl that don't wanna put in effort or spend 4-5 hrs alt farming, but in the same times wants all the akasha, Anti destruction, and so on.)
the game is dead
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