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I was planning to move to the EN server but i was not really sure about that,now......why the hell i would go to the french server after knowing this
I think German and French server will be solid. They always have a lot of players in every MMO, enough to run their own servers.
Nah,i played 2time on a french server (blade and soul/tera) ,both "died" after some time but the international one was still active as fuck
Not going to risk anything with this mmo
thats what i do now
Display MoreDisplay MoreI was planning to move to the EN server but i was not really sure about that,now......why the hell i would go to the french server after knowing this
I think German and French server will be solid. They always have a lot of players in every MMO, enough to run their own servers.
Nah,i played 2time on a french server (blade and soul/tera) ,both "died" after some time but the international one was still active as fuck
Not going to risk anything with this mmo
thats what i do now
same
I'm sure they have their reasons.
Good I believe in case in the future it has few population in some of the servers maybe they merge
Yeah, but what about the character names. People will lose their unique names, and that would be a big dissapointement for everyone.
hmm.. from my experience, X servers running through the same company doesn't allow them to share igns, but I have no clue if it's applies to this game yikes (I mean it's surely applies to forum, maybe it'll be the same in game)
When server merge happens, people with conflicting names will most likely be renamed to "Name_Server" or something similar, and each given a free name change scroll. Then the first person to login can use that scroll to get back the name he had (or go for something completely different).
Or that's just how I've seen it being handled on other games lol.
The biggest thing with multiple servers would be Server Stability. As this game enters its Open Beta, it will be their first dry run as publishers of Soul Worker. Should there have been a closed beta, they would have had an idea on how to present the worlds. I’m sure there will be a solution to this as the game progress to a full launch.
I prefer the multiple servers for different languages at least for the moment. In my experience from playing mobile games to subscription MMOs, when there's been a complete "anyone and everyone" international server with no preferred language (or "recommended English" or even when they do recommend a common language) you find there are cliques/groups based on language anyway of people who will speak their native language with complete disregard to everyone else who can't understand.
As much as wanting higher activity by having less servers for people to spread themselves across, it eventually causes bitterness in the community over time when people start to segregate themselves from others by only exclusively playing with or speaking to people who share the same language or country or by alienating others by not being willing to compromise and use a common language like English during groups with strangers and then the stereotypes come back out of the closet.
Even if it changes in the future, this way- at least in the beginning- will give people a choice and everyone knows exactly what to expect from whatever server they choose to join.
I prefer the multiple servers for different languages at least for the moment. In my experience from playing mobile games to subscription MMOs, when there's been a complete "anyone and everyone" international server with no preferred language (or "recommended English" or even when they do recommend a common language) you find there are cliques/groups based on language anyway of people who will speak their native language with complete disregard to everyone else who can't understand.
As much as wanting higher activity by having less servers for people to spread themselves across, it eventually causes bitterness in the community over time when people start to segregate themselves from others by only exclusively playing with or speaking to people who share the same language or country or by alienating others by not being willing to compromise and use a common language like English during groups with strangers and then the stereotypes come back out of the closet.
Even if it changes in the future, this way- at least in the beginning- will give people a choice and everyone knows exactly what to expect from whatever server they choose to join.
i agree with you but doesnt change the fact that it might kill it for some people b4 it even has the chance to change !
tho i don't like the idea of having multiple servers for one region (eu) it will scatter the player base based on langue for no reason tbh , whilest this game is on of those game which require max amount of players in one place, aside from the fact that having more servers will reduce the lag for most players ( i couldn't dodge the boss skills on the jp server bcz of that lag). but still it was on the jp server with a vpn so yeah i guess it should be ok on any eu server for me but still , the more the server the less player there will be the faster the game will die.
I prefer the multiple servers for different languages at least for the moment. In my experience from playing mobile games to subscription MMOs, when there's been a complete "anyone and everyone" international server with no preferred language (or "recommended English" or even when they do recommend a common language) you find there are cliques/groups based on language anyway of people who will speak their native language with complete disregard to everyone else who can't understand.
As much as wanting higher activity by having less servers for people to spread themselves across, it eventually causes bitterness in the community over time when people start to segregate themselves from others by only exclusively playing with or speaking to people who share the same language or country or by alienating others by not being willing to compromise and use a common language like English during groups with strangers and then the stereotypes come back out of the closet.
Even if it changes in the future, this way- at least in the beginning- will give people a choice and everyone knows exactly what to expect from whatever server they choose to join.i agree with you but doesnt change the fact that it might kill it for some people b4 it even has the chance to change !
Gives what a chance to change, exactly? People?
The situation that I explained happens in 90% of situations where you gather several different communities that communicate differently from one another in one place. It's something ingrained into our psychological subconscious to look out for our own and to reach out to and chill with people we feel familiar/a kinship with.
For example (not making accusations) lets say the Russians wanna play with the Russians and they're spamming a town/area where people gathers with Cyrillic and then the English speakers get mad because the Russian-speak is spamming their local chat (if you're familiar with the chatboxes ingame things can get cluttered/spammed easily) and start saying like "use ur pt chat" or "gtfo" and then the Russians either ignore them and keep talking making the people who feel alienated by the situation bitter and gives them another reason to "hate Russians" even though those Russians don't represent all Russian gamers or they react and start making comments and it turns into a little e-turf war.
Or everyone decides to stick to their own groups/people where they feel comfortable and choose to prioritise loot drops/supply to only people they like or know for a fact is "one of them" rather than trying to socialise and network with everyone creating a real bonded community.
If there was a way to guarantee that people could co-exist without eventually getting into some kind of stupid turf war and competition could be kept friendly among everyone then sure but I'm pretty sure that if instead of all these servers they made it ONE NA server and ONE EU server for everyone to pile on on that within a couple of weeks there's gonna be some serious bitching about all the German, French, Russian, Filipino, etc in local/world chat that however many people can't understand and how that's unfair for # player's experience.
Either way they could've done it someone was going to have an issue with how they chose to deal with it.
Display MoreI prefer the multiple servers for different languages at least for the moment. In my experience from playing mobile games to subscription MMOs, when there's been a complete "anyone and everyone" international server with no preferred language (or "recommended English" or even when they do recommend a common language) you find there are cliques/groups based on language anyway of people who will speak their native language with complete disregard to everyone else who can't understand.
As much as wanting higher activity by having less servers for people to spread themselves across, it eventually causes bitterness in the community over time when people start to segregate themselves from others by only exclusively playing with or speaking to people who share the same language or country or by alienating others by not being willing to compromise and use a common language like English during groups with strangers and then the stereotypes come back out of the closet.
Even if it changes in the future, this way- at least in the beginning- will give people a choice and everyone knows exactly what to expect from whatever server they choose to join.i agree with you but doesnt change the fact that it might kill it for some people b4 it even has the chance to change !
Gives what a chance to change, exactly? People?
The situation that I explained happens in 90% of situations where you gather several different communities that communicate differently from one another in one place. It's something ingrained into our psychological subconscious to look out for our own and to reach out to and chill with people we feel familiar/a kinship with.
For example (not making accusations) lets say the Russians wanna play with the Russians and they're spamming a town/area where people gathers with Cyrillic and then the English speakers get mad because the Russian-speak is spamming their local chat (if you're familiar with the chatboxes ingame things can get cluttered/spammed easily) and start saying like "use ur pt chat" or "gtfo" and then the Russians either ignore them and keep talking making the people who feel alienated by the situation bitter and gives them another reason to "hate Russians" even though those Russians don't represent all Russian gamers or they react and start making comments and it turns into a little e-turf war.
Or everyone decides to stick to their own groups/people where they feel comfortable and choose to prioritise loot drops/supply to only people they like or know for a fact is "one of them" rather than trying to socialise and network with everyone creating a real bonded community.
If there was a way to guarantee that people could co-exist without eventually getting into some kind of stupid turf war and competition could be kept friendly among everyone then sure but I'm pretty sure that if instead of all these servers they made it ONE NA server and ONE EU server for everyone to pile on on that within a couple of weeks there's gonna be some serious bitching about all the German, French, Russian, Filipino, etc in local/world chat that however many people can't understand and how that's unfair for # player's experience.
Either way they could've done it someone was going to have an issue with how they chose to deal with it.
That happens even with people of their own language. It will happen regardless.
It is true that if people talk their own language rather than english it wil create an alienated feeling
and it is indeed difficult to try and get everyone to cooperate to keep the public chats English
But right now I am deeply concerned with the population of several country based servers
especially because there will be no cross dungeons.
If in the end they have to merge the servers then the problem you speak about is bound to happen anyway
so why not right of the bat make people aware that there will be only english servers so they can at least try to adjust from the get go.
Display MoreDisplay MoreI prefer the multiple servers for different languages at least for the moment. In my experience from playing mobile games to subscription MMOs, when there's been a complete "anyone and everyone" international server with no preferred language (or "recommended English" or even when they do recommend a common language) you find there are cliques/groups based on language anyway of people who will speak their native language with complete disregard to everyone else who can't understand.
As much as wanting higher activity by having less servers for people to spread themselves across, it eventually causes bitterness in the community over time when people start to segregate themselves from others by only exclusively playing with or speaking to people who share the same language or country or by alienating others by not being willing to compromise and use a common language like English during groups with strangers and then the stereotypes come back out of the closet.
Even if it changes in the future, this way- at least in the beginning- will give people a choice and everyone knows exactly what to expect from whatever server they choose to join.i agree with you but doesnt change the fact that it might kill it for some people b4 it even has the chance to change !
Gives what a chance to change, exactly? People?
The situation that I explained happens in 90% of situations where you gather several different communities that communicate differently from one another in one place. It's something ingrained into our psychological subconscious to look out for our own and to reach out to and chill with people we feel familiar/a kinship with.
For example (not making accusations) lets say the Russians wanna play with the Russians and they're spamming a town/area where people gathers with Cyrillic and then the English speakers get mad because the Russian-speak is spamming their local chat (if you're familiar with the chatboxes ingame things can get cluttered/spammed easily) and start saying like "use ur pt chat" or "gtfo" and then the Russians either ignore them and keep talking making the people who feel alienated by the situation bitter and gives them another reason to "hate Russians" even though those Russians don't represent all Russian gamers or they react and start making comments and it turns into a little e-turf war.
Or everyone decides to stick to their own groups/people where they feel comfortable and choose to prioritise loot drops/supply to only people they like or know for a fact is "one of them" rather than trying to socialise and network with everyone creating a real bonded community.
If there was a way to guarantee that people could co-exist without eventually getting into some kind of stupid turf war and competition could be kept friendly among everyone then sure but I'm pretty sure that if instead of all these servers they made it ONE NA server and ONE EU server for everyone to pile on on that within a couple of weeks there's gonna be some serious bitching about all the German, French, Russian, Filipino, etc in local/world chat that however many people can't understand and how that's unfair for # player's experience.
Either way they could've done it someone was going to have an issue with how they chose to deal with it.
That happens even with people of their own language. It will happen regardless.
It is true that if people talk their own language rather than english it wil create an alienated feelingand it is indeed difficult to try and get everyone to cooperate to keep the public chats English
But right now I am deeply concerned with the population of several country based servers
especially because there will be no cross dungeons.
If in the end they have to merge the servers then the problem you speak about is bound to happen anyway
so why not right of the bat make people aware that there will be only english servers so they can at least try to adjust from the get go.
At the moment all of this is conjecture and theorising anyway.
The game hasn't even been released for Beta yet and as far as I'm aware there hasn't been an official release date set for anyone to start booking time off work for release.
I'm sure that if they are as involved as I'd like to believe that the team sees threads like this and considers it.
Although I'm not sure how likely something like cross-dungeoning will be as I'm not sure how much they'd have to change/deviate from the original version of the game it'd be nice to have the option, sure.
And lol, you can't tell people that servers are gonna be "English Only" because that's basically a challenge to certain people to break the rules.
Also, even if they merge the servers later, at least they can do it after the initial "omg a new game!" buzz where by then people who've lost interest and such can drop off and even some premium property names might be freed up for people to use.
You're worried about communities dying out before they've even had a chance to gather and form. There's every chance that certain foreign communities could thrive and compete with the English ones of their region. You don't know.
As much as it's good to be prepared for the worst case scenario it's waaay better to be prepared in case interest is greater than expected. Having to prepare for a future server merge when population settles a few months after release is a lot less painful to a company than having to deal with an overloaded server that's at full capacity with a load of angry players who say they can't play at all due to lag etc. let alone community complaints too.
Display MoreDisplay MoreDisplay MoreI prefer the multiple servers for different languages at least for the moment. In my experience from playing mobile games to subscription MMOs, when there's been a complete "anyone and everyone" international server with no preferred language (or "recommended English" or even when they do recommend a common language) you find there are cliques/groups based on language anyway of people who will speak their native language with complete disregard to everyone else who can't understand.
As much as wanting higher activity by having less servers for people to spread themselves across, it eventually causes bitterness in the community over time when people start to segregate themselves from others by only exclusively playing with or speaking to people who share the same language or country or by alienating others by not being willing to compromise and use a common language like English during groups with strangers and then the stereotypes come back out of the closet.
Even if it changes in the future, this way- at least in the beginning- will give people a choice and everyone knows exactly what to expect from whatever server they choose to join.i agree with you but doesnt change the fact that it might kill it for some people b4 it even has the chance to change !
Gives what a chance to change, exactly? People?
The situation that I explained happens in 90% of situations where you gather several different communities that communicate differently from one another in one place. It's something ingrained into our psychological subconscious to look out for our own and to reach out to and chill with people we feel familiar/a kinship with.
For example (not making accusations) lets say the Russians wanna play with the Russians and they're spamming a town/area where people gathers with Cyrillic and then the English speakers get mad because the Russian-speak is spamming their local chat (if you're familiar with the chatboxes ingame things can get cluttered/spammed easily) and start saying like "use ur pt chat" or "gtfo" and then the Russians either ignore them and keep talking making the people who feel alienated by the situation bitter and gives them another reason to "hate Russians" even though those Russians don't represent all Russian gamers or they react and start making comments and it turns into a little e-turf war.
Or everyone decides to stick to their own groups/people where they feel comfortable and choose to prioritise loot drops/supply to only people they like or know for a fact is "one of them" rather than trying to socialise and network with everyone creating a real bonded community.
If there was a way to guarantee that people could co-exist without eventually getting into some kind of stupid turf war and competition could be kept friendly among everyone then sure but I'm pretty sure that if instead of all these servers they made it ONE NA server and ONE EU server for everyone to pile on on that within a couple of weeks there's gonna be some serious bitching about all the German, French, Russian, Filipino, etc in local/world chat that however many people can't understand and how that's unfair for # player's experience.
Either way they could've done it someone was going to have an issue with how they chose to deal with it.
That happens even with people of their own language. It will happen regardless.
It is true that if people talk their own language rather than english it wil create an alienated feelingand it is indeed difficult to try and get everyone to cooperate to keep the public chats English
But right now I am deeply concerned with the population of several country based servers
especially because there will be no cross dungeons.
If in the end they have to merge the servers then the problem you speak about is bound to happen anyway
so why not right of the bat make people aware that there will be only english servers so they can at least try to adjust from the get go.
At the moment all of this is conjecture and theorising anyway.
The game hasn't even been released for Beta yet and as far as I'm aware there hasn't been an official release date set for anyone to start booking time off work for release.
I'm sure that if they are as involved as I'd like to believe that the team sees threads like this and considers it.
Although I'm not sure how likely something like cross-dungeoning will be as I'm not sure how much they'd have to change/deviate from the original version of the game it'd be nice to have the option, sure.
And lol, you can't tell people that servers are gonna be "English Only" because that's basically a challenge to certain people to break the rules.
Also, even if they merge the servers later, at least they can do it after the initial "omg a new game!" buzz where by then people who've lost interest and such can drop off and even some premium property names might be freed up for people to use.
You're worried about communities dying out before they've even had a chance to gather and form. There's every chance that certain foreign communities could thrive and compete with the English ones of their region. You don't know.
As much as it's good to be prepared for the worst case scenario it's waaay better to be prepared in case interest is greater than expected. Having to prepare for a future server merge when population settles a few months after release is a lot less painful to a company than having to deal with an overloaded server that's at full capacity with a load of angry players who say they can't play at all due to lag etc.
Yes of course you make valid points and I do agree with you overall.
I did not mean to say the servers should be english only language, I meant global EU servers.
Not dividing people by country like it is now because as much as it is speculations for now, I do think it's better
to have people aware and adjust ahead of time that they will be sharing the server with multiple countries and multiple languages.
We only have Germany/Spain/France/Italy and Poland so the english server will consist of all the rest of the european countries
that do not fit in that category so many countries already have to adjust to that anyway, so why divide the other 5?
Only for them to possible merge back in? I don't know, it just seems rather silly to me.
If they wish to have enough servers they can just make several global EU servers too.
Well you guys do make good point. The English server won't really be English, because every other player outside this 5 languages will go to English server, which will turn in to a server with over 20 languages.
They should probably rename it to International one, cause that's what it's going to be from the start.
No one will party with anyone outside there region, if they do. Well depending on how partying works then all it’s going to be is a ping battle. = Being useless in the party.
Yes, the english server will be packed with all the other european countries that don''t fit anywhere else
So it will already be one big server of multiple languages so it makes no sense to label it english
as well as dividing the 5 other countries from it.. That just my pov.
Display MoreDisplay MoreDisplay MoreDisplay Morei agree with you but doesnt change the fact that it might kill it for some people b4 it even has the chance to change !
Gives what a chance to change, exactly? People?
The situation that I explained happens in 90% of situations where you gather several different communities that communicate differently from one another in one place. It's something ingrained into our psychological subconscious to look out for our own and to reach out to and chill with people we feel familiar/a kinship with.
For example (not making accusations) lets say the Russians wanna play with the Russians and they're spamming a town/area where people gathers with Cyrillic and then the English speakers get mad because the Russian-speak is spamming their local chat (if you're familiar with the chatboxes ingame things can get cluttered/spammed easily) and start saying like "use ur pt chat" or "gtfo" and then the Russians either ignore them and keep talking making the people who feel alienated by the situation bitter and gives them another reason to "hate Russians" even though those Russians don't represent all Russian gamers or they react and start making comments and it turns into a little e-turf war.
Or everyone decides to stick to their own groups/people where they feel comfortable and choose to prioritise loot drops/supply to only people they like or know for a fact is "one of them" rather than trying to socialise and network with everyone creating a real bonded community.
If there was a way to guarantee that people could co-exist without eventually getting into some kind of stupid turf war and competition could be kept friendly among everyone then sure but I'm pretty sure that if instead of all these servers they made it ONE NA server and ONE EU server for everyone to pile on on that within a couple of weeks there's gonna be some serious bitching about all the German, French, Russian, Filipino, etc in local/world chat that however many people can't understand and how that's unfair for # player's experience.
Either way they could've done it someone was going to have an issue with how they chose to deal with it.
That happens even with people of their own language. It will happen regardless.
It is true that if people talk their own language rather than english it wil create an alienated feelingand it is indeed difficult to try and get everyone to cooperate to keep the public chats English
But right now I am deeply concerned with the population of several country based servers
especially because there will be no cross dungeons.
If in the end they have to merge the servers then the problem you speak about is bound to happen anyway
so why not right of the bat make people aware that there will be only english servers so they can at least try to adjust from the get go.
At the moment all of this is conjecture and theorising anyway.
The game hasn't even been released for Beta yet and as far as I'm aware there hasn't been an official release date set for anyone to start booking time off work for release.
I'm sure that if they are as involved as I'd like to believe that the team sees threads like this and considers it.
Although I'm not sure how likely something like cross-dungeoning will be as I'm not sure how much they'd have to change/deviate from the original version of the game it'd be nice to have the option, sure.
And lol, you can't tell people that servers are gonna be "English Only" because that's basically a challenge to certain people to break the rules.
Also, even if they merge the servers later, at least they can do it after the initial "omg a new game!" buzz where by then people who've lost interest and such can drop off and even some premium property names might be freed up for people to use.
You're worried about communities dying out before they've even had a chance to gather and form. There's every chance that certain foreign communities could thrive and compete with the English ones of their region. You don't know.
As much as it's good to be prepared for the worst case scenario it's waaay better to be prepared in case interest is greater than expected. Having to prepare for a future server merge when population settles a few months after release is a lot less painful to a company than having to deal with an overloaded server that's at full capacity with a load of angry players who say they can't play at all due to lag etc.Yes of course you make valid points and I do agree with you overall.
I did not mean to say the servers should be english only language, I meant global EU servers.
Not dividing people by country like it is now because as much as it is speculations for now, I do think it's betterto have people aware and adjust ahead of time that they will be sharing the server with multiple countries and multiple languages.
We only have Germany/Spain/France/Italy and Poland so the english server will consist of all the rest of the european countries
that do not fit in that category so many countries already have to adjust to that anyway, so why divide the other 5?
Only for them to possible merge back in? I don't know, it just seems rather silly to me.
If they wish to have enough servers they can just make several global EU servers too.
The servers aren't being divided by country, though? Each server for corresponds to a common language people can gather/socialise over with many other smaller countries/languages being close enough a linguistic relative that they can also join that server if they want to rather than "they're just left with English".
Like Portuguese people will probably have a better time on a Spanish server if they're not fluent in English because in writing they share a lot of words and can understand each other. I also know that there are a lot of similarities among certain Eastern European languages which include Polish (I have a Lithuanian friend who learned Russian and Polish by ear literally because of the similarities to his own language) so several different communities could end up gathering on the PL server 'cause it's easier.
Just because there isn't a server that doesn't obviously cater to you by name doesn't mean that English is your only option.
Well you guys do make good point. The English server won't really be English, because every other player outside this 5 languages will go to English server, which will turn in to a server with over 20 languages.
They should probably rename it to International one, cause that's what it's going to be from the start.
more toxic ppl y , but bigger communities are worth it imo. (from my exp on lol)
Yes, the english server will be packed with all the other european countries that don''t fit anywhere else
So it will already be one big server of multiple languages so it makes no sense to label it english
as well as dividing the 5 other countries from it.. That just my pov.
I guess Candus will become the laggiest server of the 6 EU ones.
I would rather have them label all servers as International ones, and than different communities can just pick where they want to go to, like they do in many other games. This would split the community more or less equally to ensure the survival of all servers, but it's too late now. Will be interesting to see how this will play out.
Yes, the english server will be packed with all the other european countries that don''t fit anywhere else
So it will already be one big server of multiple languages so it makes no sense to label it english
as well as dividing the 5 other countries from it.. That just my pov.
I guess Candus will become the laggiest server of the 6 EU ones.
I would rather have them label all servers as International ones, and than different communities can just pick where they want to go to, like they do in many other games. This would split the community more or less equally to ensure the survival of all servers, but it's too late now. Will be interesting to see how this will play out.
i still think NA will have way more problems then EU servers since they only have one xD we will see
