'Aurith Gods Random Box'

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My sample size is from 34 people opening a cumulative 11,000 boxes in total.

The conspiracy theorist in me believes high spenders get worse rates with 1 in 1000 box rates and low incidental spenders get rates of 1 in 150 which could actually yield more profit if they have enough low box testimonial players sprinkled in with I will spend infinite amounts of money to get my exclusive glitter wings that only 1 in 200 people on the server will have.

Anyhow yes the same people raising their pitchforks at game companies making money when they don't spend at all is quite funny; considering these people probably don't go to work for free or would not work for a boss or customer that doesn't pay them at all and demands them to work harder or give away more for nothing in return. Aside from that I still concede that we are getting an inferior experience to other versions, probably because you need to milk 500 paying users harder than 10,000 paying users to keep your translation team, marketing team, community team paid as well as the game license and server fees.

I never spent any on these boxes so I have no other related comments for this discussion.

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well your sample size must be bad luck, I got my wings in first 50 box and my outfit on the next 100 box. so total 150 boxes. My other friend got her wings in 50 boxes and full outfit in and next 50, so 100 total. But then there is another friend got his wings in 600 boxes. And another person in EN candus recorded the video opening box, he his wings in 75 boxes. So it's all base on RNG, just like casino gambling, within the casino will have hundreds or thousands of ppl. And u may pick 34 that is unlucky, and ask them if they win or lose? and if those 34 is unlucky and lose, does that mean casino is a scam? it's all just base on probability and luck. If the odd is not with you, then it's not with you.

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My sample size is from 34 people opening a cumulative 11,000 boxes in total.

The conspiracy theorist in me believes high spenders get worse rates with 1 in 1000 box rates and low incidental spenders get rates of 1 in 150 which could actually yield more profit if they have enough low box testimonial players sprinkled in with I will spend infinite amounts of money to get my exclusive glitter wings that only 1 in 200 people on the server will have.

Anyhow yes the same people raising their pitchforks at game companies making money when they don't spend at all is quite funny; considering these people probably don't go to work for free or would not work for a boss or customer that doesn't pay them at all and demands them to work harder or give away more for nothing in return. Aside from that I still concede that we are getting an inferior experience to other versions, probably because you need to milk 500 paying users harder than 10,000 paying users to keep your translation team, marketing team, community team paid as well as the game license and server fees.

I never spent any on these boxes so I have no other related comments for this discussion.

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well your sample size must be bad luck, I got my wings in first 50 box and my outfit on the next 100 box. so total 150 boxes. My other friend got her wings in 50 boxes and full outfit in and next 50, so 100 total. But then there is another friend got his wings in 600 boxes. And another person in EN candus recorded the video opening box, he his wings in 75 boxes. So it's all base on RNG, just like casino gambling, within the casino will have hundreds or thousands of ppl. And u may pick 34 that is unlucky, and ask them if they win or lose? and if those 34 is unlucky and lose, does that mean casino is a scam? it's all just base on probability and luck. If the odd is not with you, then it's not with you.

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Yes on an individual scale, it is highly variable; this is why you aggregate all boxes opened on the server to get an estimate. If it was 1 in 100, I can guarantee you that you would see people spamming it on megaphone being sold for a cost parity of 100wus in NA. The fact is, the less rare it is, the less valuable it is. If everyone is wearing the same outfit and costume, there is nothing special about it, at least to the mentality of some spenders. Never claimed the boxes were a scam, simply saying I abstain from burning money into gambling because the average person who enters come out a loser. For every story like yours, there's probably 25 losers.

The losers outnumber the winners, and survival bias always has the same people commenting how they got it in a low amount of tries. If the amount of winners outnumbered the losers, practically it would not even be worth $40.

Every time you see someone mention that they got wings and costume in 50/100/150 boxes, next guy think he can do better or at least same as previous guy. I swear, i see people who i would never tought to spend a dime on such gamble yet spend more on loot boxes than any other item in prem shop.

Gamble is real.

It's the same, I have a friend went to casino and lose so much money because the first time he went with his friends, his friends make like $2,000+ in less than an hour. So he thinks it's so easy, and he started to gamble too and ended up losing $2,000 instead. So can he blame casino for not being fair? Just that the odd is not with him, it's all probability and rng. Just because they both play the same game with same probability of winning and losing, doesnt mean the odd and luck is with you.

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Any company that believes they have to implement gambling mechanics to be successful cares about money and nothing else.
I love this game but I honestly hope gameforge drives it into the ground and get in trouble for it.

I honestly hope they fucking kill their own reputation

believe me, they already did

the online is dropping every week that's why they have decided to receive as much proffit while they can

i'm just waiting for an another project that will be released soon and i'm 100% going there to play and actually enjoy the game

Imagine waking up to complain about a game that you still throw money at lmaoing @ ur life

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Imagine waking up to complain about a game that you still throw money at lmaoing @ ur life

Heres a better one
Imagine waking up in the morning going on the forums to mindlessly defend a company screwing its community over every single week.
Do you think you're special or going to get praise from them?
Of course you aren't because just like everyone else in this community, you're as insignificant as an ant to gameforge

actually i don't think they screw up the community that badly, beside the outfit is expensive the rest of the item is so cheap + don't really think we need that wings it's not really a necessity, it's more like a extra bonus thing (just like any outfit). Even in KR i am sure those wings are rng, maybe outfit may be RNG too or Free idk? someone have to check in KR, i know for sure TW also has RNG boxes and i think i remember seeing JP server also have RNG boxes. The only thing might screw up is that the box has a lot anti destruction, so WUC might go up a little. In other server rng boxes, might not be this outfit rng box, but they have WUC in it. Like i don't think this rng influence people gameplay all that much. Maybe now f2p have one less outfit to get or have to pay a lot for the outfit piece.

You can just buy the costumes on the kr market for 13m or 11$ for the full set for any character on kr here look https://imgur.com/a/OMvndsJ

imagine being so mad that you double post Y I K E S

Watch your sodium intake for the rest of the day, you're already at risk for hypertension.

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imagine being so mad that you double post Y I K E S

Watch your sodium intake for the rest of the day, you're already at risk for hypertension.

I double posted due to the risk you may not see the edit, but sure whatever
bait me all you want idc

It's obviously a troll, just ignore them, you are just wasting your time

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Imagine waking up to complain about a game that you still throw money at lmaoing @ ur life

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Imagine waking up in the morning going on the forums to mindlessly defend a company screwing its community over every single week.
Do you think you're special or going to get praise from them?
Of course you aren't because just like everyone else in this community, you're as insignificant as an ant to gameforge

actually i don't think they screw up the community that badly, beside the outfit is expensive the rest of the item is so cheap + don't really think we need that wings it's not really a necessity, it's more like a extra bonus thing (just like any outfit). Even in KR i am sure those wings are rng, maybe outfit may be RNG too or Free idk? someone have to check in KR, i know for sure TW also has RNG boxes and i think i remember seeing JP server also have RNG boxes. The only thing might screw up is that the box has a lot anti destruction, so WUC might go up a little. In other server rng boxes, might not be this outfit rng box, but they have WUC in it. Like i don't think this rng influence people gameplay all that much. Maybe now f2p have one less outfit to get or have to pay a lot for the outfit piece.

They aren't screwing the community over?
Okay putting the Lootboxes aside what about the market inflation
threea actually responded to it (technically) but not the issue directly, only Gold bots (Which they are clearly not coming up with good enough ideas)
They didn't respond to any of the other issues of the communities such as the availability of anti's and WUCs, they targetted gold sellers
Why?
Simple, because it hurts their wallet, they need that third party system out of their game so they can make all the profit off of people by selling SC.
They wouldn't dare make anti's more available because once again, its a premium item so it would hurt their wallet
and WUCs they just don't care about the quality of life in the game enough to bother addressing it.

To put it short, they listen to issues that mutually hurt their wallet and the community in some way, if it only hurts the community but not them, they will not ever dare address it because they have the childish mentality of "if it doesn't hurt me it's fine"

also the only way they tackled anti's availability was exactly how you said, making them available in these rediculous boxes

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well putting the RNG boxes aside, does the boxes create botter? No, u see, the boxes is not the problem, the problem is they have to do something about the botter. Botter and the RNG box is kinda two separate thing. Just that the rng box without WUC will jack up the WUC price, and then having botter which is separate thing (is making the outfit cost a lot of DZ since DZ is worthless due to Botter). And then lets say now we put botter aside if this server has no botter and has no inflation, People that can't get wings still goin to complain about the box is shit. Because it's normal, when ppl gamble and lose they wanna find blame, especially in game it's easy to blame publisher being shit to released this box. But isn't the box is the same as the example i use, you go in to casino and gamble, just because ur friend won in a few hands and got few thousands dollars from it, u can't expect to go in and has the same odds as your friend. Saying both of u might be playing BlackJacks, the probability of winning is the same goes for every player, 52 cards and so on. But just because ur friend is luck and won thousands in 20 games, u cant expect to go in play 20 games and will guarantee win money. So at the end, Botter situation like i said GF need to do something about it. This RNG Box, it's up to players wanna gamble or wait to buy from players. Yes the price is overprice now since botter inflated the market, but botter inflated the market doesnt cause by this rng box.

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Heres a better one
Imagine waking up in the morning going on the forums to mindlessly defend a company screwing its community over every single week.
Do you think you're special or going to get praise from them?
Of course you aren't because just like everyone else in this community, you're as insignificant as an ant to gameforge

actually i don't think they screw up the community that badly, beside the outfit is expensive the rest of the item is so cheap + don't really think we need that wings it's not really a necessity, it's more like a extra bonus thing (just like any outfit). Even in KR i am sure those wings are rng, maybe outfit may be RNG too or Free idk? someone have to check in KR, i know for sure TW also has RNG boxes and i think i remember seeing JP server also have RNG boxes. The only thing might screw up is that the box has a lot anti destruction, so WUC might go up a little. In other server rng boxes, might not be this outfit rng box, but they have WUC in it. Like i don't think this rng influence people gameplay all that much. Maybe now f2p have one less outfit to get or have to pay a lot for the outfit piece.

They aren't screwing the community over?
Okay putting the Lootboxes aside what about the market inflation
threea actually responded to it (technically) but not the issue directly, only Gold bots (Which they are clearly not coming up with good enough ideas)
They didn't respond to any of the other issues of the communities such as the availability of anti's and WUCs, they targetted gold sellers
Why?
Simple, because it hurts their wallet, they need that third party system out of their game so they can make all the profit off of people by selling SC.
They wouldn't dare make anti's more available because once again, its a premium item so it would hurt their wallet
and WUCs they just don't care about the quality of life in the game enough to bother addressing it.

To put it short, they listen to issues that mutually hurt their wallet and the community in some way, if it only hurts the community but not them, they will not ever dare address it because they have the childish mentality of "if it doesn't hurt me it's fine"

also the only way they tackled anti's availability was exactly how you said, making them available in these rediculous boxes

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well putting the RNG boxes aside, does the boxes create botter? No, u see, the boxes is not the problem, the problem is they have to do something about the botter. Botter and the RNG box is kinda two separate thing. Just that the rng box without WUC will jack up the WUC price, and then having botter which is separate thing (is making the outfit cost a lot of DZ since DZ is worthless due to Botter). And then lets say now we put botter aside if this server has no botter and has no inflation, People that can't get wings still goin to complain about the box is shit. Because it's normal, when ppl gamble and lose they wanna find blame, especially in game it's easy to blame publisher being shit to released this box. But isn't the box is the same as the example i use, you go in to casino and gamble, just because ur friend won in a few hands and got few thousands dollars from it, u can't expect to go in and has the same odds are your friend. Saying both of u might be playing BlackJacks, the probability of winning is the same goes for every player, 52 cards and so on. But just because ur friend is luck and won thousands in 20 games, u cant expect to go in play 20 games and will guarantee win money. So at the end, Botter situation like i said GF need to do something about it. This RNG Box, it's up to players wanna gamble or wait to buy from players. Yes the price is overprice now since botter inflated the market, but botter inflated the market doesnt cause by this rng box.

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The whole response was if gameforge are screwing their community or not.
Not if Lootboxes and Bots are one in the same issue, ofc they're not or not.
But to sit there and blatantly defend the people not listening to their community is honestly just you begging to get bent over more by gameforge, be my guest bc I know there's a community that does listen to one another
*cough* Private server *cough*

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Lol