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    Well, I'm really glad for everybody who has regained their innocence. That's how a fact looks like and yes now you're fully entitled to call yourselves innocent and wrongfully banned. "By the book."

    You get 0 style points for your -9000 composure I should add ^^

    That's including my case as'well? I haven't get ban cause of duplicate , they ban me cause a low level character send me 500 millions ... as exchange a outfit that probl received with another character... Ceres

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    xCGG you got rekt, actually destroyed just accept defeat. and you even typed your ingame name lmao. remember that there's always something to learn from defeat :D

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    G you got rekt, actually destroyed just accept defeat. and you even typed your ingame name lmao. remember that there's always something to learn from defeat :D

    Quote me where you believe I have lied. In which trial do you simply assume the innocence of the accused?

    You do not.

    +The fact that they admitted their mistake and sincerely apologize goes to show how GF has no malicious intents.

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    We also have to start from the premise that the organ of the law, in our case the GF staff, is acting in a fair sense of justice. Like, it is in my and your interest(s) that they are being given the power that comes with trust, just like in real life. Because we need them when it comes to dealing with real treats.

    Come again now, just how unjustified do you think I was?


    And if you look at this from a different perspective - they only checked the data a second time because we made a lot of noise, right? we managed to be "very vocal about it". Now, because of who did you manage to make a lot of noise? I wonder :/

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    We're Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty


    xCGG You can't just say that they can't prove that they are innocent, therefore they are cheating/guilty( that is like saying you're always guilty till proven innocent). In your way of saying it, then everyone is guilty. I believe from the thread, innocent players are trying to resolve it with the support by having support to provide evidence or it may be their system error that get so many players ban at once. Which in this case as you can see, it's obvious that gameforge make a mistake and getting it fix now. If like what you said, then all innocent players shouldn't voice out to the support or in real life to the court when they are being framed? and just take the ban and leave the game? since like u said, there is no way to prove u r innocent, therefore you are guilty. Like you said game and real life is same thing, gameforge should respect player's right as well, fault-fully banning innocent players with insufficient evidence is not justice. Like you said GF is acting in a fair sense of justice, but acting in a fair sense doesnt means using the power to fault-fully banning players. players that cheated or abuse bug themselves will know themselves whether they cheat or not, and if GF has sufficient evidence, i doubt the players can do anything about it.


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    having graduated in law i can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about :D. i cant imagine how someone who has lived at all for very long on this earth does not know about the presumption of innocence that applies to every criminal trial. if popular culture is a mystery to you then plz at least google for urself and refer to the case of Woolmington v DPP which provides the foundation for that very fundamental principle of law that still applies to this day

    While we, the ones get affected by the bug trying to voice out for help. This asshole just jump in trying to bash people as if everyone is guilty. These kind of people will get their lesson if they behave like this irl. I hope someday they get beaten up by a bunch of gangster

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    While we, the ones get affected by the bug trying to voice out for help. This asshole just jump in trying to bash people as if everyone is guilty. These kind of people will get their lesson if they behave like this irl. I hope someday they get beaten up by a bunch of gangster

    Nah, the best will be if they got framed for criminal they didnt do, maybe he was just a innocent person walk pass the crime scene when it happened. Then he got framed and got put in jail., will be even better if court dont listen to him and just tell him we got evidence, what the evidence is? we are not showing to anyone, people dont need to know, you need to prove u r innocent. That will be the best for him, since he can't prove himself innocent, like he said if you can't prove it, then you are not innocent.

    You being banned is a proof of you being guilty. Like, the court has declared you guildy, once.

    Mistakes may occur but this doesn't mean you're supposed to make any. This goes back to the whole trust issue. I was just stating facts and I have no remorse for anything I have said because I said no lie.

    I have said you're guilty until proven innocent by a fact and in the eventuality of this fact not arising you'd still be guilty now, sir. Are we not speaking the same language?

    you do know in real life the court has sufficient evident and those evident is disclose in court and to the criminal? If court dont show people the citizen or person that is in trial the evident they got, and just put you in jail when you have no idea what you did wrong or what evident shows that you are criminal. U may be just a guy that walk past the criminal scene, but court just say that we got the evidence we are not showing/disclose it to you, therefore you are guilty. SO you think that is justice? You see, there is a procedure to take before stating that person is guilty in real life. The current situation is that court declared people guilty without evidence or sufficient enough evidence.


    "I have said you're guilty until proven innocent by a fact and in the eventuality of this fact not arising you'd still be guilty now, sir. Are we not speaking the same language?" -xCGG


    ^ you do realized that is wrong?


    I may not be law student or anything, but if i am not wrong under civil law or english common law, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. GO search up presumption of innocence.

    Nobody said this is a 100% perfect analogy.

    But there simply are more than enough similarities between a court scenario and our scenario that can be used to achieve a better understanding of things. This would be the obvious thing to think if your objective would not be to simply counter what I said.


    In fact, the main point of focus of our argument and this topic as a whole has come to a closure a while back, everything else has been ... off topic basically. Like is not even about the bans anymore, is about me having or having not been rekt.

    LUL

    One last time, about the "everyone is innocent until proven guilty. "

    They have already been proven guilty, basicaly by the first decision. The data on which the 1st decision was taken has proven to be faulty - gain, you can't start from the premis that the court is retarded and will 100% make a mistake (otherwise there would not be a point to the whole justice system), in fact if this were to be irl you'd find yourself in a vast minority of cases. Again, this in not a 100% perfect analogy - there are still slight diferences between a court scenario and this and 2) I'm not even the judge here - I'm just trying to explain why, unless you're on friendly terms with the accused it actually never makes sense to take the side of the accused. Like, what if those guys were really guilty? HURR DURR - don't you want to have something to stop them? Well DUH ...

    Well what if those guys were really guilty? they will continuing getting ban or support will give them detail of why they think he is cheated. Because when my fiance got banned simply just wanted to play the game with VPN, the head of support is the one handling her case at that time, he provided full detail of how he got all his evident and disclose it with her and ask her if she has anything to counter it or to explain it. By those support we see earlier, the respond players got, it's like we got evident dont need to show or explain to u, you are ban. It's like evident that may not even "exist". As a support, they are the the medium of communication between the player and company, on a company level. If support not willing to communicate with players, and tell players if they reply or send in ticket, they will ban the player from using the support service. Then think about it? what kind of service players got? in a business term, player can be consider as costumer, isn't support or the company should atleast give a proper explain to player in detail why their account is ban? Doesn't matter if they are guilty or innocent.

    Looking on the bright side of this entire ban mess, it seems they managed to ban most of the bots. I haven't seen any except for that Harubot spamming megaphones.

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    Ok everything was solved, can we stop now?

    Well everything is solve because people voice out in forum and the CM came out and communicate with us. But if everyone think like xCGG and don't voice out and just take the banned even when they are being framed, then GF wouldn't able to find out that there is script they created that is wrong and fault-fully banning players. And the current upset on my end is more like the respond the support was replying, such a haste and disrespectful way to communicate with the player that just trying to play the game and support the game.

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    Ok everything was solved, can we stop now?

    Well everything is solve because people voice out in forum and the CM came out and communicate with us. But if everyone think like xCGG and don't voice out and just take the banned even when they are being framed, then GF wouldn't able to find out that there is script they created that is wrong and fault-fully banning players. And the current upset on my end is more like the respond the support was replying, such a haste and disrespectful way to communicate with the player that just trying to play the game and support the game.

    Yeah, I totally agree with you, I'm just glad people will be able to get their accounts back, but I still don't understand why xCGG is still arguing, hopefully nothing similar happens again


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    Quote from Blessgab

    Ok everything was solved, can we stop now?

    Well everything is solve because people voice out in forum and the CM came out and communicate with us. But if everyone think like xCGG and don't voice out and just take the banned even when they are being framed, then GF wouldn't able to find out that there is script they created that is wrong and fault-fully banning players. And the current upset on my end is more like the respond the support was replying, such a haste and disrespectful way to communicate with the player that just trying to play the game and support the game.

    Yeah, I totally agree with you, I'm just glad people will be able to get their accounts back, but I still don't understand why xCGG is still arguing, hopefully nothing similar happens again


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    Yeah for now everyone will be busy with iris and the summer event. Lets just hope everything gets better.