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Create a new server without golds exploit !
And stop this marketing aproch.
Edit: the market is over whatever they do that gonna be bad
Edit2: Wrong language
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I hear you.
Unfortunately its more about the community style, the west seems to be more exploitative in the market but in the JP one even though its years ahead items like star cards are 1000 Zeni and most fashion was between 1m-40m not.
Putting a cap will only piss end game players off and make most things go straight to the cap price because why put it lower if you know the max.
What I do is give a hand with items and cash to new plays when I can to boost them a lil but sadly this isnt a new issue to MMOs. (doesnt help that Gamefroge still has things too expensive so when ppl do buy and put it on the market they want to get their moneys worth)
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I hear you.
Unfortunately its more about the community style, the west seems to be more exploitative in the market but in the JP one even though its years ahead items like star cards are 1000 Zeni and most fashion was between 1m-40m not.
Putting a cap will only piss end game players off and make most things go straight to the cap price because why put it lower if you know the max.
What I do is give a hand with items and cash to new plays when I can to boost them a lil but sadly this isnt a new issue to MMOs. (doesnt help that Gamefroge still has things too expensive so when ppl do buy and put it on the market they want to get their moneys worth)
Technically it has nothing to do with the West being "more exploitative". It's because the economy has flooded with so much dz (due to gold bots and duplication exploits) that everything is worth so much. It's the exact same result that would happen if governments chose to start printing money.
Because there is so much of it the value per Dzenai has gone down massively, meaning you need a much larger quantity to get anything.
Firstly, banning these bots, making sure they are completely removed out of the game and as a seperate counter measure place a Level lock player -> player trading to somewhat of a high level that would mean these bots are a lot less common. Of course lower level players can still use the market (which obviously they won't be able to correctly use until this whole economy is sorted)
Secondly, If Gameforge wants to fix these things they have to track down falsely made Dzenai and remove it from everyones accounts, no matter how unfair that sounds these things have to happen in order to reset the economy.
Third, by releasing a limited time NPC that can function as a Dzenai sink that sells high demand items (of course not gear but more like materials).
Finally, being more strict with bans. I've heard from several cases that people who have purchased gold haven't even got perma-bans and in some cases (apparently) haven't even had that Dzenai removed from their accounts. On first offense the player should receive a 7 day ban and given a warning.
After this 7 day ban and given warning, if that player chooses to purchase gold once again, they will be immediately perma-banned and account terminated.
Although they seem harsh this has to be done to make the game better, gameforge can turn this around for the better and we as a community just have to be hopeful of the situation. But it is very important that gameforge does not leave us completely in the dark for long periods of time.
Lack of communication will lead to players leaving the game, and gameforge wont be able to bring new players in, because the current market is so expensive that it will be near impossible to be on the same level as any other player who started earlier in the games release or open beta.
No pressure of course, but it would be nice to know what countermeasures gameforge has prepared for the future of this game or if they will abandon it and leave it in it's current sad state threea
of course I sent a seperate countermeasure to you in forums PM which may consider involving the community more to stomp this problem once and for all.
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Secondly, If Gameforge wants to fix these things they have to track down falsely made Dzenai and remove it from everyones accounts, no matter how unfair that sounds these things have to happen in order to reset the economy.
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Everyone have F-DZ if they reduce Dz of evryone i know that gonna be a chaos !
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I hear you.
Unfortunately its more about the community style, the west seems to be more exploitative in the market but in the JP one even though its years ahead items like star cards are 1000 Zeni and most fashion was between 1m-40m not.
Putting a cap will only piss end game players off and make most things go straight to the cap price because why put it lower if you know the max.
What I do is give a hand with items and cash to new plays when I can to boost them a lil but sadly this isnt a new issue to MMOs. (doesnt help that Gamefroge still has things too expensive so when ppl do buy and put it on the market they want to get their moneys worth)
Technically it has nothing to do with the West being "more exploitative". It's because the economy has flooded with so much dz (due to gold bots and duplication exploits) that everything is worth so much. It's the exact same result that would happen if governments chose to start printing money.
Because there is so much of it the value per Dzenai has gone down massively, meaning you need a much larger quantity to get anything.
Firstly, banning these bots, making sure they are completely removed out of the game and as a seperate counter measure place a Level lock player -> player trading to somewhat of a high level that would mean these bots are a lot less common. Of course lower level players can still use the market (which obviously they won't be able to correctly use until this whole economy is sorted)
Secondly, If Gameforge wants to fix these things they have to track down falsely made Dzenai and remove it from everyones accounts, no matter how unfair that sounds these things have to happen in order to reset the economy.
Third, by releasing a limited time NPC that can function as a Dzenai sink that sells high demand items (of course not gear but more like materials).
Finally, being more strict with bans. I've heard from several cases that people who have purchased gold haven't even got perma-bans and in some cases (apparently) haven't even had that Dzenai removed from their accounts. On first offense the player should receive a 7 day ban and given a warning.
After this 7 day ban and given warning, if that player chooses to purchase gold once again, they will be immediately perma-banned and account terminated.
Although they seem harsh this has to be done to make the game better, gameforge can turn this around for the better and we as a community just have to be hopeful of the situation. But it is very important that gameforge does not leave us completely in the dark for long periods of time.
Lack of communication will lead to players leaving the game, and gameforge wont be able to bring new players in, because the current market is so expensive that it will be near impossible to be on the same level as any other player who started earlier in the games release or open beta.
No pressure of course, but it would be nice to know what countermeasures gameforge has prepared for the future of this game or if they will abandon it and leave it in it's current sad state threea
of course I sent a seperate countermeasure to you in forums PM which may consider involving the community more to stomp this problem once and for all.
I disagree with the issue being the value has gone down because of bots and exploits. The other servers (jkp/Kr) had the same issues to, not so much now but at the start yes. I agree that the bans and blocks should be in place(nice to block ppl that actually deserve it for a change ha). But I still feel from the other games i've played that the market will still fly up, that being said I will say that the community here is actually pretty nice in contrast to games like Black desert so if ppl need a hand there are usually some that will help.
Something does need to be done about this though, however I fear that GF wont do anything till its too late and then they will either abandon the game again or just make the shop cost more.
I was thinking either exemtions in the market fees for low/new players to start. Level/tier based market places. But the best and idr what game did it but it worker well there and thats a monthly market place reset...might have been fantasy star.
Come on ppl brainstorm and do the work for GF
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Secondly, If Gameforge wants to fix these things they have to track down falsely made Dzenai and remove it from everyones accounts, no matter how unfair that sounds these things have to happen in order to reset the economy.
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Everyone have F-DZ if they reduce Dz of evryone i know that gonna be a chaos !
So they're supposed to just leave all this falsely generated Dz in the market?
Then I guess this game is already screwed
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Create a new server whitout bot is just better !
And learn from mistake
Progressively Limiting Marketplace
If they do that some players gonna be ungry and i can understand
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I don't agree with you
The current prices are very nice
Almost everyone has a huge amount of DZ, even if they do what you say, they'll buy everything in the market, and we won't stop for a specific point.
There is no difference between our prices and prices JP
I'll explain why. Suppose that 100 million in Japan is worth a billion EN
The wucs price is 40 million per one in EN and 400K per one in JP
If you sold 100 wucs in JP U'll get 400M, but if you sold 100 wucs in EN you will get 4000M
There's no difference at all, it's just that we look more expensive than Japan, but that's an illusion
If prices really are expensive for you, you can be a seller not a buyer, for me current prices are very good
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I hear you.
Unfortunately its more about the community style, the west seems to be more exploitative in the market but in the JP one even though its years ahead items like star cards are 1000 Zeni and most fashion was between 1m-40m not.
Putting a cap will only piss end game players off and make most things go straight to the cap price because why put it lower if you know the max.
What I do is give a hand with items and cash to new plays when I can to boost them a lil but sadly this isnt a new issue to MMOs. (doesnt help that Gamefroge still has things too expensive so when ppl do buy and put it on the market they want to get their moneys worth)
Technically it has nothing to do with the West being "more exploitative". It's because the economy has flooded with so much dz (due to gold bots and duplication exploits) that everything is worth so much. It's the exact same result that would happen if governments chose to start printing money.
Because there is so much of it the value per Dzenai has gone down massively, meaning you need a much larger quantity to get anything.
Firstly, banning these bots, making sure they are completely removed out of the game and as a seperate counter measure place a Level lock player -> player trading to somewhat of a high level that would mean these bots are a lot less common. Of course lower level players can still use the market (which obviously they won't be able to correctly use until this whole economy is sorted)
Secondly, If Gameforge wants to fix these things they have to track down falsely made Dzenai and remove it from everyones accounts, no matter how unfair that sounds these things have to happen in order to reset the economy.
Third, by releasing a limited time NPC that can function as a Dzenai sink that sells high demand items (of course not gear but more like materials).
Finally, being more strict with bans. I've heard from several cases that people who have purchased gold haven't even got perma-bans and in some cases (apparently) haven't even had that Dzenai removed from their accounts. On first offense the player should receive a 7 day ban and given a warning.
After this 7 day ban and given warning, if that player chooses to purchase gold once again, they will be immediately perma-banned and account terminated.
Although they seem harsh this has to be done to make the game better, gameforge can turn this around for the better and we as a community just have to be hopeful of the situation. But it is very important that gameforge does not leave us completely in the dark for long periods of time.
Lack of communication will lead to players leaving the game, and gameforge wont be able to bring new players in, because the current market is so expensive that it will be near impossible to be on the same level as any other player who started earlier in the games release or open beta.
No pressure of course, but it would be nice to know what countermeasures gameforge has prepared for the future of this game or if they will abandon it and leave it in it's current sad state threea
of course I sent a seperate countermeasure to you in forums PM which may consider involving the community more to stomp this problem once and for all.
I disagree with the issue being the value has gone down because of bots and exploits. The other servers (jkp/Kr) had the same issues to, not so much now but at the start yes. I agree that the bans and blocks should be in place(nice to block ppl that actually deserve it for a change ha). But I still feel from the other games i've played that the market will still fly up, that being said I will say that the community here is actually pretty nice in contrast to games like Black desert so if ppl need a hand there are usually some that will help.
Something does need to be done about this though, however I fear that GF wont do anything till its too late and then they will either abandon the game again or just make the shop cost more.
I was thinking either exemtions in the market fees for low/new players to start. Level/tier based market places. But the best and idr what game did it but it worker well there and thats a monthly market place reset...might have been fantasy star.
Come on ppl brainstorm and do the work for GF
Yes natural market adjustment does happen but the rapid inflation has definitely been caused by Dzenai 'printing'. As I said 1,000,000 Dzenai may have = 1 WUC at one point but now they're worth 30-40 Million per WUC.
That isn't because their price just happened to go up that much, its because the worth per Dzenai has gone down so much. It's because the economy is so enriched but isn't equal as expected.
But yeah I agree we give so many ideas but it doesn't seem GF takes any into consideration.
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GameForge know all of this but take a quick decision can make destroy the game for a long time.
So they think.
What is a good choice what is a bad choice ?
The most important what is GF choice !
Edit : So sad i think Kiritol was a troll :c
You right but when you cant sell item on shop because you are limiited to 1B that make some trouble
In other part that make farm of DZ usless in KR/JP you can farm a raid like 3h and get 10WUC here you need 3000k hour of DZ farming for get 1 WUC
The only solutions is to buy more godls to the duplicating bot and grow again the inflation.
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GameForge know all of this but take a quick decision can make destroy the game for a long time.
So they think.
What is a good choice what is a bad choice ?
The most important what is GF choice !
Leaving this problem for a long period of time is making this much worse. People are leaving and new players aren't staying, they need to start making bigger moves if they want to save this game.
Removing this generated money is unfair to people, yes because they cant control how much generated gold they have from using the market, but people who aren't blinded by their own self greed will agree making such a bold move may actually save the game in the long term. Leaving it as it is, is well, completely unhealthy and the game will die by the end of the year with only whales left to play the game, but even they won't because they will have everything and still have billions leftover
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I thinking about this too. And all way i see we got a bad choice so what bad choice Gameforge gonna take.
They make bad choice in the past that make people quit.
- VIP Gold
- Leave Beta test
- Random Crash
- Akasha nerf
- Let's bot exploit
- Drop nerf
- Limited card
- Random Box
- Ban people
- Nerver Fix Bug
But now im pretty sure they have 100% chance to do a bad thing
Edit : re-create server without bot & gold package !
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Edit : re-create server without bot & gold package !
So you're asking for a reset?
or a merge where everyone still has there generated gold and it'll be even more of a shit show -
Is the best way a server where you can transfere your prenium items and outfit with a 100% xp, 100% drop rate for 1 mounth and a better way to farm akashic transmitter wuc and ec ( waiting a better player base ) . 6-8-12 inventory ticket.
Im not sure that gonna work because so much players gonna be lazy of the game not only because Gameforge fail too much time, because the game is lazy they are few dev and they cant do this alone.
( Drop only for this character.
Make some raid event like change spell
Or Manic raid with hard boss and more loot. )
Make gold package like 1%-2% ( Gameforge make so much money from this pack i dont think they gonna delete this thing )
But some trouble stay like :
( - Crash
- Spell Bug
- Evade in pvp )
But i can dream ! what we got is just 14 day for reroll more box and big bot.
( it's a small dev studio )
Personaly this situation dont affect me so much so i continue to playing whatever of bot-crash-bad pvp-poor rate.. but if im new i never start a game in this situation
Or they maybe deleting all DZ and give a compensation for everyone like SC & event drop rate xp etc..
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Just because everything has a higher number associated with, it doesn't mean that the market is bad.
I understand that being a lilnub who stores his hard earned 2 mil is really angry when EC prices rise from 30 to 300 mil, since in 1 year he would have been able to buy one, but since prices rose, lilnub can only buy a single EC in 10 years.
Lilnubs can easily get WUCs, sell it and buy stuff from it. Having higher money means that upgrade to 6- is basically free, taking brooches off is basically free, creating akashas is basically free.
Look, once prices started to rise a lot, I think most people realised that keeping their wealth in dzennies is not a good option. WUC and EC should have pretty much an absolute value and they will always be desired. Great option to use as money.
Only real problem is that items above 1 bil can't be listed on the market, so you have to seek people out.
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440 SC = 1 EC
1 EC = 8 WUCs
And that's how you calculate economy. You're welcome.
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Well sure players can sell WUCs but then what? They'll need it anyway. So it's basically one-way ticket to this economy hell.
Good market means that you don't need to sell essential items just to be able to use market but only for situations when you need to get extra Dzenai faster. Eigher way you can just farm dungeons to get profit.
So yeah big numbers is not a problem. Problem is we don't have alternative effective ways to earn money/items and that leads to inflation.
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Well sure players can sell WUCs but then what? They'll need it anyway. So it's basically one-way ticket to this economy hell.
Good market means that you don't need to sell essential items just to be able to use market but only for situations when you need to get extra Dzenai faster. Eigher way you can just farm dungeons to get profit.
So yeah big numbers is not a problem. Problem is we don't have alternative effective ways to earn money/items and that leads to inflation.
The items that you will 100% need at some point in time are those items that have value - thus you can't have an economy where "you don't need to sell essential items", but you're right where you say that we really do need more points of interest and I'm +1 for that. In fact, I'm a prime partisan for buffing rookie raid gear and thus giving it value. Also, maybe making brooches tradable without having to attach them on an item would help expand a buyer's pool of interest.
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People deffend that just biggers numbers so that fine...
that make farm of DZ usless in KR/JP you can farm a raid like 3h and get 10WUC here you need 3000k hour of DZ farming for get 1 WUC
