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    Quote from Vitae

    Secondly, If Gameforge wants to fix these things they have to track down falsely made Dzenai and remove it from everyones accounts, no matter how unfair that sounds these things have to happen in order to reset the economy.

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    Everyone have F-DZ if they reduce Dz of evryone i know that gonna be a chaos !

    They could remove Dz and leave a maximun of 10 billions Dz and convert the rest of Dz for example:


    If you have 20 billions Dz. You will get 10 billions Dz and the other 10 billions Dz can be converted on Grutin Token, 1 million Dz x 10 Grutin, 10 millions Dz x 100 Grutin, 100 millions Dz x 1000 Grutin, 1 billion Dz x 10.000 Grutin, 10 Billions Dz x 100.000 Grutin. <3

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    Some people gonna be ungry and this people is whales i dont think they want the last whales quit the game.

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    You people have to deal with it: the market won't change as gameforge can't delete people's dzenai for no reason or their items since having 100 EC = you are semi rich, and they won't increase drop rates or people would stop use their real life moneys on the game and personally I did not use any site and barely used any irl moneys (just for costumes) and I'm doin just fine, stacking EC and WUC for Primal as apparently WUC will be used for Altar of void weapons aswell while many games instead make a stronger tier upgrade item and unlike other old school games where often strong equipment has insanely low drop rate in a very hard boss that only the top dps will get, here you have your own drops and can just farm one of the easiest raid in the game: Last Carnival, (possibily with baalride and Deus ex lvl 3 or if you have lvl 3 Rita thx) to get free WUC and EC so even a fresh 55 can just run it until he drops an EC and just sell it to buy a decent equipment and then spam it + alt farm for anti destructions, which again, many games make anti destructions p2w only.

    Also the game won't close as long as whales pay for the servers, even if the population is reduced to a mere 500 players gameforge will still make moneys out of it


    Conversion to grutin gold is one of the smartest ways. I didn't think about that but you're onto something. People complain anti destructants are an issue, if peoples Dz is converted into Grutin gold, people can purchase a ton of these anti breaks, which I think they would be more than happy to trade off.

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    I dont think people gonna be happy of this thing too.


    You sell EC or other items for buy thing in market not get protection or akashic card or pansu

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    I dont think people gonna be happy of this thing too.


    You sell EC or other items for buy thing in market not get protection or akashic card or pansu

    One of the main reasons people alt farm is for anti's. ECs and WUC's are very much farmable in a somewhat (not really but still farmable) efficient manor. Anti-destructions, however, do not have an efficient farm.

    Plus ECs are going to have their trade-able trait removed soon if Lion Games is making most of the shots. ECs are to soon become a Premium shop item anyways, that leaves only WUCs and hopefully we can get some ways around them reaching 100m.

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    If they transfer billions to Grutin people loose the choice to buy what they want.


    And maybe some people get not satisfed , make change like this for solve there mistake is not a good idea for me.

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    If they transfer billions to Grutin people loose the choice to buy what they want.


    And maybe some people get not satisfed , make change like this for solve there mistake is not a good idea for me.

    I'm not saying have every single shred of Dzenai removed though, Im on about all the falsely generated and duplicated gold supplied by bots etc. It's harsh at first but the market will adjust to the economy adjustment over time. People will still have the choice to buy whatever they want, because the worth by Dzenai will increase again meaning prices in the market will start to go down to normal levels. That means farming Dzenai will have a point and worth again

    This may hurt you and many others but there is no soft solution to this. If they go to soft of this issue nothing will change. Remember that this current economy is killing the game and is completely unhealthy

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    If they transfer billions to Grutin people loose the choice to buy what they want.


    And maybe some people get not satisfed , make change like this for solve there mistake is not a good idea for me.

    I'm not saying have every single shred of Dzenai removed though, Im on about all the falsely generated and duplicated gold supplied by bots etc. It's harsh at first but the market will adjust to the economy adjustment over time. People will still have the choice to buy whatever they want, because the worth by Dzenai will increase again meaning prices in the market will start to go down to normal levels. That means farming Dzenai will have a point and worth again

    This may hurt you and many others but there is no soft solution to this. If they go to soft of this issue nothing will change. Remember that this current economy is killing the game and is completely unhealthy

    Sry but the gold bots are just bots that spam a website, and if you opened their website at least once, you would see that they do this in 30+ more games so I doubt changes are coming soon without an anti hack + probably changing stuff about dzenai and soulcash in the game files?

    I mean as of now you can open cheat engine with soulworker opened, other mmos with anti cheat will automatically window down cheat engine and if you still manage to put the process of their game inside cheat engine, the game will shutdown automatically, this is mostly to block newbie hackers who just use CH (cheat engine) of course real hackers make their own program

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    I like OP's idea, they did the same in BDO if I'm not mistaken so the max price will be more fair for the newer/returned players.

    That feed more the whale if they have 100billions ans the max price for WUC is 1M they just buy all WUC for the entire next year

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    I like OP's idea, they did the same in BDO if I'm not mistaken so the max price will be more fair for the newer/returned players.

    That feed more the whale if they have 100billions ans the max price for WUC is 1M they just buy all WUC for the entire next year

    hence, the economy reset

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    The inflation is actualy solve.



    Is better to revaluate the DZ farmming but i prefer wait now and give the time to Gameforge to think and do a good decision.


    Is not a emergency now so they can take there time.



    ( But they cant solve all the trouble, people get a avantage from other by buying gold and that is a gameforge mistake )


    Re-create a server or it's unfair to play on a server when people get avantage bypassing the game rules and didn't get sanction.

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    so what you're saying is keep the 'printed' dzenai which is causing all this inflation, and add more available dzenai making the dzenai worth go down even further to the point WUCs will reach 100m per chip.


    Also for the average player it currently isn't an emergency, but in the eyes of game developers and publishers it is, they're wasting money on advertisements and can't maintain new players because of the current state of the market. They carry on leaving it as such, this game will die and only have high level, whale players. There will be no new people and the game will die in population.

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    The Biggest Goldseller dont want to shut down the price of golds because they dont want to kill the game.


    We have inflation yet but is less powerfull than the 2 past mounth the WUC price maybe go to 100m in NA but never go to 200m or more when the gold seller dont want it.


    I not did is not a big problems, that is. They work on it, they thinking about i just told is better to think more about the result of what they gonna do.



    Dont be so fast and do bad thing wait 2 more week or a mounth not make the game more worse than it is now.


    A lot of people a implicated is not a easy solution and gameforge losse $


    To much people are gulty and i know Gameforge never gonna ban the few less people staying in this server but it's cause of it people quit the game.


    Hard choice, need time i just hope they dont do a bad thing again they have all the time he want the game cant be more worse.

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    Quote from lKiritol

    I don't agree with you


    The current prices are very nice

    They can be in a few cases. However, there are a few differences. First, we have to remember that not *all* items are affected by this inflation, only those who are high in demand. Due to that, it is not possible to say that prices(before) = prices(now) because it does not remain true to all items, limiting the flexibility on how you can gain wealth.


    Second, the dungeons and other sources are not designed to keep up with the economy's inflation which limits the options to those who return or begin. We all know that only high demand items keep up with inflation but we also have to recognize that those items are *not* easy to get for beginners, and some, of course, are RNG.


    The point is, the only source of income is the market and what the market wants are not simple-easy items you can find every time you run a dungeon nor it is a easy difficulty dungeon a player can complete with low gear quality. This is not newbie friendly nor does it promote progression for those who have fallen behind or even those who have messed up.


    We can't just think about the current players, we also have to think about the future ones. If this doesn't promote so, then what will this game be in the future? The current player base gets old and the new become the current player base.

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    We can't just think about the current players, we also have to think about the future ones. If this doesn't promote so, then what will this game be in the future? The current player base gets old and the new become the current player base.

    Uh? new players? where? I only see the same faces over and over in GC and Last carnival(Candus btw), all the new players quit way before they hit lvl 55 and the ones who doesnt do that, will quit after a while or almost never play or they are russians who cannot speak english at all. They should atleast merge the european servers and who the F cares if they will lose Dzenais because Candus prices are higher, just buy all the WUC and EC they can before merge? also still better than quitting cause those servers are empty, atleast there will be more players online togheter in a single server.

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    We can't just think about the current players, we also have to think about the future ones. If this doesn't promote so, then what will this game be in the future? The current player base gets old and the new become the current player base.

    Uh? new players? where? I only see the same faces over and over in GC and Last carnival(Candus btw), all the new players quit way before they hit lvl 55 and the ones who doesnt do that, will quit after a while or almost never play or they are russians who cannot speak english at all. They should atleast merge the european servers and who the F cares if they will lose Dzenais because Candus prices are higher, just buy all the WUC and EC they can before merge? also still better than quitting cause those servers are empty, atleast there will be more players online togheter in a single server.

    Well most of the reason new players quit is because they can barely progress anywhere because the market is so needy right now. Everything costs an unfarmable amount of Dz so these people are just stuck with low tier gear bc they cant get anything to progress further

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