Soulworker is Good Game

    The server is actually not dead. Its livelier than on mine so that wasnt the reason that it has a healthy economy. Its just they knew how to handle goldsellers, droprates are higher and they have actually a gamemaster who manages the game. :). And Burning Soulworker has license and a contract with LG otherwise they couldn't release content patches regularly so why should players not support it?


    Actually both are killing the game but but it can be prevented by either side. How come that burning can fix the bugs but our server not. If you didn't notice Lilly got new bugs everytime they tried to fix few of the small bugs of her xDDD since i am a dedicated lilly player i am not really happy about that :)

    everything will come to an end~

    Lily isn't just bugged, she is extremely bad designed in general, LG confirmed that something went completely wrong with her.

    Gold sellers barely join a private server. Its super easy to handle them there.

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    From all Servers Lilly is most bugged on here. I tried it on all except Taiwanese. it's easy in general to handle goldsellers... otherwise many other mmos would be screwed but its somehow its only gf games. o.o

    actually i am fine with the goldsellers i am just mad that many players are qutting now because they had nothing to do for several months now. If even casual players are full build what are hardcore players going to do who were already done after 1 or 2 months? ^^ Had to change my guild 2 times now because the players quitted because they had nothing to do.

    everything will come to an end~

    Quote from Weiss Emil

    Lily is good, there is nothing more lovely than bringing 4 lily to GC with 4 big plastica and wreck things with tornadoes :)

    Lily isn't good, she deals the lowest damage of all classes ingame (pre-adv + adv). You can't base a class on BP.

    BP GC spam is kinda fun but her gameplay is bad designed and she doesn't scale at all.

    (oh well and pvp, no comment) :D

    1 of the reasons why she is dead everywhere "the least popular class on 55-60"



    Bugfixes > Primal + anti-goldseller > better class designs and its fine

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    Quote from Yagyu4k

    LG made some bad desicions for GF.

    Bad decision ? explain because i cant see what a tiny developer studio mistaken.


    They need more ressource.

    $


    But when you see the greed of gf, all nerf you cant blame LG for this.


    Quote from Yagyu4k

    Lily isn't good, she deals the lowest damage of all classes ingame (pre-adv + adv). You can't base a class on BP.


    Told me what is better than 4/8 lily dps tornado with mega.


    In BSW you see this is the best dps on pve





    And the subject is why people use tier person for get gold and dont get ban.

    사공이 많으면 배가 산으로 간다


    -The first one GF lover xoxoxoxo :saint:<3:love:

    Better than 4/8 lily dps tornado would be lily that is able to use more than 2 skills over and over again, because others basically sux. You can't judge whole class on 1 good-mid tier skill. Lily is weaker overall anyway when it comes to ult,scaling,utility.


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    Quote from Jolteon

    Better than 4/8 lily dps tornado would be lily that is able to use more than 2 skills over and over again, because others basically sux. You can't judge whole class on 1 good-mid tier skill. Lily is weaker overall anyway when it comes to ult,scaling,utility.

    Couldn't agree more

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    Stella spam 2 skill too...



    and we talking about dps this spam tornado is the best.

    사공이 많으면 배가 산으로 간다


    -The first one GF lover xoxoxoxo :saint:<3:love:

    It just works with BP, and its super boring.

    Her damage is still low compared to other classes.


    Haru and Iris are god tier dps wise > Erwin > Jin=Stella>Lily

    Jin has tons of burst but his high cooldowns tone him down a lot

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    Quote from End

    Stella spam 2 skill too...



    and we talking about dps this spam tornado is the best.

    It's wrong in the first place to evaluate characters together with akashas. Many players don't have plastica so what's the use of evaluating her based on spamming tornados :D she has high sf comsuption and low dps compared to other characters without akashas.

    everything will come to an end~

    Every classes have their own weaknesses. Some are just way better than others :



    - Iris has the best DPS among all the characters, but her skill are kinda static (which need the monsters / bosses not to move, otherwise they get out of iris' damage range).


    - Erwin would be 2nd best damage dealer overall (Huge DPS with his 1st kill red amelioration + ultimate).


    - Haru has quite huge damage on 3-4 skills and a lot of aoe / best clearing mobs skills.


    - Stella has the BEST skill (her ultimate) of the game : 10s invulnerability + EXTRA HUGE damage with AS and crit dmg.


    - Lily has literraly only 2-3 skills that are ok-good tier (as Yagyu4k and Jolteon said). She scales quite good with BP, but without it she kinda sucks yeah.


    - Jin has the best burst damage, but when his skills are on cooldown, he basically can't do shit.



    I'd say (and this is only my opinion) that Erwin and Iris are the best class amongst the others , Jin would be the second if you focus Crit damage / CDR, Stella is 3rd with AS / crit dmg / cdr and Lily would be last.



    How do I know Lily is the weakest of them all ? Well, even with more overall damages + 4k more crit damage, she still deals less damage than the other classes (WITHOUT BP OFC).


    P.S. And the best DPS skill with BP isn't the tornado, it is the Bullet Storm from Iris wich is aoe damage / you can aim it wherever you want / Huge huge damages / not that much of SF consumption (cause one passive reduces it)

    Indeed, Erwin is actually the best balanced class in PvE. Not too strong, not too weak. And he is using a lot of his abilities.

    (That's why the concept threads to make all classes viable and a bit more difficult to play)


    Its all about time and cool ideas for LG ;)

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    I don't know about you guys, but even +8 Aurtith Jins are not making top 10 usually in WB. Sure, he might have burst, but I feel when it comes to pure DPS, he is the worst.


    Die-Phoon is the best BP skill for damage, hands down, Iris can't even dream about the sheer power of Die-Phoon spam. Die-phoon has 2300% damage, 3725% super armour break, most part of the tornadoes get amplified by 70% armour break too, which is slightly less than 50% damage boost if we assume that GC bosses for example have 2000 def. 70% armour break for Lilly(assuming she has 20% armour break normally) is 74% damage increase vs Primal.

    On the flip side Hail of Plasma is only capable of doing around 1900% damage with 2400% super armour break and Iris can't really amplify it. VS GC bosses it's literally 24150% damage against 16527% damage(if we are nice enough and say that Iris can cast 7 Hail of Plasmas+1 ult under Plastica effect, which she probably can't). And against primal the difference is going to be even bigger due to Primal's higher armor. Plus we shouldn't forget that the average Lilly has higher crit% and crit damage than the average Iris.


    SF cost doesn't matter since Lilly can cast 7 Die-phoons+1 Carnage with a Soulforce Fizz.


    Even when it comes to aoe, Die-phoon has a moderate size of hitbox, they move. I found it much easier to clear stuff as Lilly in LC than Iris when under the effect of Plastica. Plus Haru is the only notable character that clears fast enough with Plastica for trashmob clearing.



    In my eyes Lilly is easily the best character to kill bosses when a Plastica is around.


    And imo, she wasn't buffed because she is good with Plastica. Linogames took their time, buffed Haru, then only did any change to Lilly when Plastica became unavailable in the new raid. But you know, there are a lot of Lillies without hidden Plastica out there(like me with my 3 hidden grutins) and life kinda sucks for them.

    BP get changed anyway in korea, the cooldown reset is completely gone then, which is good in my opinion. Spam phoon is boring as hell.

    Same like Phoon+Carnage on cooldown while everything else is bad.


    WB isn't a real encounter, dont see this boss as DPS list. there are many ways to manipulate it + a bit luck if the boss is always interrupting your combos. Sometimes you can go crazy without a single move, sometimes you're dashing around a lot.


    (Btw the point was about the adv. Jin already, but yes, the current Jin is meh because of his long cooldowns. Problem is he'll be absolute overpowered if you reduce his cooldowns in the current state)


    -adjust his damage -adjust his cooldowns and he can be really decent



    Lion Games is a new dev, its their first project. You can't blame them for such a terrible class balance, that's why they get support by the community ;)

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    As a Jin Main I can say that Jins overall dmg is indeed weaker than Iris n Erwin but he is not far behind them tho. His burst dmg sort of makes up for it. But His downside is his Cooldowns. I personally think he is better then Lilly n equal to haru but hey thats just me....


    I feel like they should reduce cooldowns on the skills that interact with his Counter ability