that's overly overpower compare to my lily. At level 55 with +8 shion weapon, I only deal 100k, tf is that?
Soulworker is Good Game
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BP get changed anyway in korea, the cooldown reset is completely gone then, which is good in my opinion.
What are the changes? as in without the cd reset then what is the use of BP after that? And then i dont think BP is worth 5 star anymore?
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High amount of sf cost reduction, still a good card if you dont have a stella or erwin in your party. Asian people call the old version a game breaker, which is more or less true. BP is fun but at the same time its idk
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High amount of sf cost reduction, still a good card if you dont have a stella or erwin in your party. Asian people call the old version a game breaker, which is more or less true. BP is fun but at the same time its idk
hmmm..something like naran but in the form of buff ball and bigger reduction.....not too bad and not too overpowered i guess.... so it will become a good to have card but not a must have card
so it is safe to assume that it will be implemented to our server too eventually?
then ppl without BP like me should feel lucky i guess..lol?
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Yeah but its gonna take a while before we get it anyway
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good thing i still dont make bp t3 yet.
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BP get changed anyway in korea, the cooldown reset is completely gone then, which is good in my opinion. Spam phoon is boring as hell.
I love your optimism and ideas but on behalf of everyone who plays KR and everyone who is looking for reliable information, please stop misinforming others about stuff like this. There is no news of such a nerf to BP and this nerf is definitely not live in Korea. I would know because I play Korea everyday. Heck, even your partner HOQ is confused, apparently.
You've established yourself as someone with strong credibility in this community so I'd much prefer you not pull information out of your rear and slam it down on the public stating them as if they are facts, when they are clearly not. As a result, many people will simply just take your word only to end up being misinformed and disappointed. Particularly, there are a few things you've said regarding information on Lily's state of balance outside of EN that is just blatantly incorrect, but those are your opinions and I can respect that. You can state your opinions about Lily being weak. But please don't do those who don't play other servers a disservice and provide them false information on a server you claim to play, but clearly do not.
I don't mean to attack you with any malicious intent. I just don't want people to be told false information.
I do not like or want to be going into depth with this, so I will make my views and opinions brief. Being someone who mains Lily in both EN and KR, I would agree that Lily is definitely not a top tier class. But in no regards is she the weakest class in Soulworker, as of now, going by KR standards. There is a strong consensus that Lily is one of the strongest classes when it comes to fighting bosses, even without BP, and that Haru is regarded as one of the weakest classes in the game. Hence, Haru will be receiving a buff in the August patch in KR to make her less clunky to play. Lily's recent buffs have helped her tremendously and her advancement fixes a lot of the DPS issues she had in the past. With advancement she has more skills to rely on for DPS and isn't simply just a one trick pony spamming nado+carnage. Lily is a very populated class in KR, so I have no idea where you got the information that told you otherwise. She needs work to make her better? Sure, I agree, but she is not nearly as weak as many people make her seem out to be, at least in KR.
I know this is off topic so I'd like to apologize for this slight rant. I'll probably come off as some angry/tilted random, but I needed to get this off my chest.
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(BP)It isn't a nerf, its just a change
Some classes don't receive any bonus by BP (Iris for example scales terrible with BP, which is why they want to change it to make it viable for every class) + the card is locked anyway for many contents. HoQ isn't aware of everything right now.About Lily its all about the maths, if you check DPS of the top players you'll see that she is far behind.
Haru and Iris are still the top tier in PvE, Erwin is close behind as the best balanced PvE class
I know a lot alot about class designs
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(BP)It isn't a nerf, its just a change
Some classes don't receive any bonus by BP (Iris for example scales terrible with BP, which is why they want to change it to make it viable for every class) + the card is locked anyway for many contents. HoQ isn't aware of everything right now.About Lily its all about the maths, if you check DPS of the top players you'll see that she is far behind.
Haru and Iris are still the top tier in PvE, Erwin is close behind as the best balanced PvE class
I know a lot alot about class designs
I'm not sure what you mean by "it's not a nerf, it's just a change"
Going from removing all cooldowns to making it a glorified stella buff is most definitely a nerf, but that's not the main point. The main point is that BP WAS NOT CHANGED IN KR. So why are you saying it was? They even released their entire august update roadmap with no mention of BP changes.
Iris does not scale terribly with bp, if you were going to use an example of a bad BP user you should have pointed at stella instead. Locked away for "many" contents... as in a single endgame dungeon called Altar of Void? Turns out one dungeon is many... ok.
Your dps argument makes literally zero sense. How are you checking dps of players when there's no real dps meter of any sort? Worldboss is an incredibly unbalanced indicator due to how many factors go into it and the fact that barely anybody goes to worldboss on KR.
Haru top tier...lol. I have never seen anybody say Haru is anywhere near top tier with Erwin/Iris in KR.
Even your beloved HOQ
I know it's common for class mains to always whine about their class being bad but this is next level.
You can think you know a lot about literally whatever, you can fantasize about whatever, but don't go around spreading misinformation, rumours, and straight up false statements. That's not cool and you're misinforming a lot of people.
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Never said BP has been changed already, its their plan (probably with 65 or right after that)
In the end its a just for fun card for normal dungeons, since they lock cards like that for end content.
(There isn't mentioned aynthing about august, because its not gonna happen this month
)You can check DPS in every mmo, there are a lot of ways to do it
and no I'm not talking about HappySoul (the app/tool isn't allowed)Worldboss doesn't count anyway, its the worst kind of DPS check so far.
Haru's dps is a complicated thing, you can compare it with Jin a bit.
Haru's cooldowns are kinda long which means she have a short burst phase and a downtime afterwards (her gapcloser=filler are not strong enough to keep the dps sustained but she boost up herself in every single cooldown phase, she still deals a lot of damage her problem is just the dps loss in her downtime)
Erwin for example deals less damage but his short/medium cooldowns deal a lot more damage which means he can keep his dps sustained.
But there you can see already "the class balance is bad designed in general, Erwin is actually their masterpiece of balance in PvE, everything else is mehish designed)
But let's be clear, LG is a tiny team "of course they can't deliver a perfect balance for now, since many players are waiting for content, you can't blame them for that"
They just mentioned that they'll keep more focus on class designs, their bugs, mechanics, scalings soon as possible. Therefore they're looking for support by the communities with theoycrafting experience.
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Never said BP has been changed already, its their plan (probably with 65 or right after that)
In the end its a just for fun card for normal dungeons, since they lock cards like that for end content.
(There isn't mentioned aynthing about august, because its not gonna happen this month
)You can check DPS in every mmo, there are a lot of ways to do it
and no I'm not talking about HappySoul (the app/tool isn't allowed)Worldboss doesn't count anyway, its the worst kind of DPS check so far.
Haru's dps is a complicated thing, you can compare it with Jin a bit.
Haru's cooldowns are kinda long which means she have a short burst phase and a downtime afterwards (her gapcloser=filler are not strong enough to keep the dps sustained but she boost up herself in every single cooldown phase, she still deals a lot of damage her problem is just the dps loss in her downtime)
Erwin for example deals less damage but his short/medium cooldowns deal a lot more damage which means he can keep his dps sustained.
But there you can see already "the class balance is bad designed in general, Erwin is actually their masterpiece of balance in PvE, everything else is mehish designed)
But let's be clear, LG is a tiny team "of course they can't deliver a perfect balance for now, since many players are waiting for content, you can't blame them for that"
They just mentioned that they'll keep more focus on class designs, their bugs, mechanics, scalings soon as possible. Therefore they're looking for support by the communities with theoycrafting experience.
Theory crafting is great and all, but that's all it is. A theory. Hence we can not say it is true. You have not established any credibility as being the holy messenger of LG to claim anything you've said would be true.
Will it be true in the future? Maybe. But is it true as of now? Definitely not, and that is the core issue and why I made my initial post.
You can not simply just throw out an idea and say it is true or it is going to be true. This leads to misinformation. People were concerned about what is true now and you've misinformed them by saying BP is changed when it really hasn't. It doesn't help that your wording doesn't identify you were talking about the potential future. But in that case, you are preparing them for something that is yet to be confirmed instead of something that already is confirmed and/or are currently in the live servers.
As for the DPS argument, to my knowledge, your opinions on class balance are currently yours or a small minority alone. I haven't met anyone in KR who would agree that Haru is top tier DPS as of now. As such, you can not say you speak for the majority in KR when there is no majority in the first place that would agree. Yet, you've worded it as if it was fact that class balance is as you said it is. If you played KR you would know that they contradict your thoughts about Haru's DPS. You can not simply just ignore a majority consensus and claim for yourself that what you say is factual when it is only your opinion. This also leads to potential misinformation due to spreading false beliefs.
It's nice to know that you know a lot about class designs, I guess? But I'd be a lot more convinced about everything if you could provide your sources of information instead of just blank words that don't really mean anything. It's even less convincing when you say you've played this game for 3 years when it has only been out for roughly two years, with JP being first released April 2016 and KR in January 2017. But even then your information seems to not be up to date.
I think most would say you're being delusional about all of these changes that have yet to happen. But maybe you are correct in everything you say. I wouldn't know. Props to you if they do end up happening. So, I'm going to leave it at that and not pursue this any further in case this blows up. Happy Soulworking.
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Display MoreNever said BP has been changed already, its their plan (probably with 65 or right after that)
In the end its a just for fun card for normal dungeons, since they lock cards like that for end content.
(There isn't mentioned aynthing about august, because its not gonna happen this month
)You can check DPS in every mmo, there are a lot of ways to do it
and no I'm not talking about HappySoul (the app/tool isn't allowed)Worldboss doesn't count anyway, its the worst kind of DPS check so far.
Haru's dps is a complicated thing, you can compare it with Jin a bit.
Haru's cooldowns are kinda long which means she have a short burst phase and a downtime afterwards (her gapcloser=filler are not strong enough to keep the dps sustained but she boost up herself in every single cooldown phase, she still deals a lot of damage her problem is just the dps loss in her downtime)
Erwin for example deals less damage but his short/medium cooldowns deal a lot more damage which means he can keep his dps sustained.
But there you can see already "the class balance is bad designed in general, Erwin is actually their masterpiece of balance in PvE, everything else is mehish designed)
But let's be clear, LG is a tiny team "of course they can't deliver a perfect balance for now, since many players are waiting for content, you can't blame them for that"
They just mentioned that they'll keep more focus on class designs, their bugs, mechanics, scalings soon as possible. Therefore they're looking for support by the communities with theoycrafting experience.
Theory crafting is great and all, but that's all it is. A theory. Hence we can not say it is true. You have not established any credibility as being the holy messenger of LG to claim anything you've said would be true.
Will it be true in the future? Maybe. But is it true as of now? Definitely not, and that is the core issue and why I made my initial post.
You can not simply just throw out an idea and say it is true or it is going to be true. This leads to misinformation. People were concerned about what is true now and you've misinformed them by saying BP is changed when it really hasn't. It doesn't help that your wording doesn't identify you were talking about the potential future. But in that case, you are preparing them for something that is yet to be confirmed instead of something that already is confirmed and/or are currently in the live servers.
As for the DPS argument, to my knowledge, your opinions on class balance are currently yours or a small minority alone. I haven't met anyone in KR who would agree that Haru is top tier DPS as of now. As such, you can not say you speak for the majority in KR when there is no majority in the first place that would agree. Yet, you've worded it as if it was fact that class balance is as you said it is. If you played KR you would know that they contradict your thoughts about Haru's DPS. You can not simply just ignore a majority consensus and claim for yourself that what you say is factual when it is only your opinion. This also leads to potential misinformation due to spreading false beliefs.
It's nice to know that you know a lot about class designs, I guess? But I'd be a lot more convinced about everything if you could provide your sources of information instead of just blank words that don't really mean anything. It's even less convincing when you say you've played this game for 3 years when it has only been out for roughly two years, with JP being first released April 2016 and KR in January 2017. But even then your information seems to not be up to date.
I think most would say you're being delusional about all of these changes that have yet to happen. But maybe you are correct in everything you say. I wouldn't know. Props to you if they do end up happening. So, I'm going to leave it at that and not pursue this any further in case this blows up. Happy Soulworking.
I'm not a fan to turn the topic into a math super thread now
But anyway thanks a lot for understanding, a good ending at least
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Huh. Well, I figured as much. I don't think it's such a big deal, theorycrafting is still fun and all and it's nice there is a platform to do that here.
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Lol you know what i used to go GC with iris +9, we even have 3 bp yet she her dmg feel like tickle compare with +8 lily. Hail of plasma suck
Hail of plasma is far from bad, maybe you're just missing the majority of your shells or you're using meteor
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It's just spreading misinformation with Yagyu.
He also said that at some point Iris got nerfed and that we have the unnerfed Iris in GF Soulworker. And well, it's simply not true, I had to spend quite some time, looking through Iris' skills, the patch notes and the latest skill simulators. Had to patch it together, but she never got nerfed.
Whole Lilly topic is I feel went overboard a bit, but it's just my opinion.
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now that i read back it feels like the whole lily post is a (TRPG) tabletop role playing based on the actual soul worker....well.. i still hope that what said will really be implemented in future but i dont put much thoughts on it anymore
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Since yall play KR what is the state of Jin over there pre and post advancement?
I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Jin's specifics, as I don't play Jin, so I'll do my best to say what I think based on my experiences.
Jins are pretty rare to be seen compared to other classes in KR. But doesn't necessarily mean he's bad. He's actually pretty good and a very welcomed class in any party due to the nature of his class and his advancement being amazing. I always seem to find myself doing so much more damage when there is a Jin in my party. This is due to advancement giving Jin access to multiple debuffs he can apply to enemies which enables your team to increase their DPS by a significant amount. In Alter of Void, his provoke/taunt is an amazing skill, as it enables the team to DPS the boss freely from behind. This is greatly beneficial for a class such as Lily because it allows her to use Fury Scythe without having to worry about dying because she can not cancel out of the skill. It's also very helpful for landing prolonged skill combo's such as nado+carnage or Iris's epicentre/earthquake.
Jin's DPS by itself is still very good, although I would not say it is anywhere near top tier like Iris or Erwin. He has amazing burst and that seems to be about it from what I know. The important thing that makes Jin good, though, is that he is a damage enabler for the team. So in a sense, much of his DPS comes from him allowing his team to do a lot more damage, if that makes any sense.
That's all I can really say and people who are more knowledgeable at Jin in KR can correct me if I'm wrong. I won't go into details of how he is pre-advancement because KR is well past that stage. But I think you can figure that out for yourself, considering EN still is.
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Everything about Jin's adv is nice imo. It's just I've seen a vid of his EX ability being very inconsistent a low damaging
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Thanatos pretty much nailed it.
Jin by himself is not the strongest class, he has very high burst damage but mediocre sustained dps when compared to the top-tier dps classes like Erwin and Iris. However, his advancement gave him incredible team-support abilities. His attacks can debuff the enemy's defense, effectively granting everybody on the team penetration/armour break, and his 3 second team-wide exalt shield is still very useful to have. His taunt/provoke is an amazing skill in Altar of Void, most notably in the first phase where you have to fight like 10 minibosses at once or something. Jin can just stand in the center of the stage, provoke them all to suck them in, and then exalt shield everyone to make the phase a complete breeze.
Pretty much everybody loves having a Jin in their party due to the support they provide.
