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Bla Bla Bla... She is still OP in MY opinion. Deal with it.

Wasn't even that long to read.
Also she is STRONG in your opinion, Overpowered would be to a level where she is broken and completely outshines every other character, which is obviously incorrect

Have you actually played her to her current end game extent? or is this saying "I cant kill it but that person can, hurr durr OP"?

If you cannot even clarify that then I'm sorry but your opinion is poorly structured and most likely judged by videos of Iris solo running stuff with godly tier Primal gear...

my my you said it nicely haha. I never can do that!!! >.<. Yea i agree with you on the iris thing. I dont think she is weak by any means. However im not foolish enough to think she is op either haha. Those solo vids do look nice. However playing her i can certainly say. that is some nice gear those people have XD. Slap a +8 weapon on her and some nice stated gear. Hell yea she can solo hard core. Wait......so can ever other class tho and a hell of a lot better i might add

Trust me shes fun with my +9 Aurith Fury x)
and yeah pretty much every other class can solo just as well if not better than Iris

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nice!!! yea i have a long way to go before i can even think about +7 not to mention +9 haha. Thats super awesome that you got to +9!!!

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Never seen 'Fresh' Lvl 55 Iris' hit top 10, either you're lying or they're already experienced players who whaled gear to use on Iris when they hit 55.
Then again you seem to lack evidence once again so not surprised

You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

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Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

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You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

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Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

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I can understand where you're coming from with the fluent playstyle like Haru, a lot of her skills kind of combo into each other whereas Iris sets down AoE and nukes. Haru is more mob killing combo style whereas Iris is more like "outta my face or I nuke you" char

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I think you only need to see how many fresh LVL 55 iris are on the d6 leaderboard to tell you she's op

Never seen 'Fresh' Lvl 55 Iris' hit top 10, either you're lying or they're already experienced players who whaled gear to use on Iris when they hit 55.
Then again you seem to lack evidence once again so not surprised

You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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I would have to disagree with some of what you said as far as the kr nerf goes to her. KR has nerfed not just her only. Not to mention. I can safely say haru would own her in dps. iris deals great damage to things that are either 1. not moving or 2 move slowly. As far as the def and hp being low. She has the lowest in the game. Not sure where youo get the thing that most people dont use hp stuff for gear. Because nearly every solo of any place most are at over 50 if not 60k hp.

To me i think she is about where she needs to be. However some of the skills are not as effective as they should be. Be it for the fact that you have to the stand in one place and use it (meaning you get beat up by mobs) or just some simply lacking in practicality. She seriously is not some class that you roll and will kill off everything without getting a scratch on you. Also to the best of my knowledge Jin, Haru, and Stella in KR are pretty much the fav. Iris is not even considered to be that good. Would rank erwin better IMO for a few reasons, but most people already know those im sure :-).

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Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

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Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

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I can understand where you're coming from with the fluent playstyle like Haru, a lot of her skills kind of combo into each other whereas Iris sets down AoE and nukes. Haru is more mob killing combo style whereas Iris is more like "outta my face or I nuke you" char

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That nuke has a hell of a CD and yes Haru can simply one shot mobs and the cast time is no where near as long as iris lol Haru is very very strong. Not to mention is not exactly a scrub by any means when it comes to single target dps either. Iris has a lot more flaws than you are giving her credit for.

I cannot count the time that a mob and bosses has moved out of the way of her "nukes" just because they are taking so long to cast XD. Its like i can hear the mob and bosses going "ummmm ya know its not a good idea to stand here...hmmm I think im going to move now" XD She is like a Goku from DBZ only bad thing is most mobs and bosses dont stand there and wait for my kamihamiha XD Which brings up a lot of questions about that show. but thats another topic XD lol

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Never seen 'Fresh' Lvl 55 Iris' hit top 10, either you're lying or they're already experienced players who whaled gear to use on Iris when they hit 55.
Then again you seem to lack evidence once again so not surprised

You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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I would have to disagree with some of what you said as far as the kr nerf goes to her. KR has nerfed not just her only. Not to mention. I can safely say haru would own her in dps. iris deals great damage to things that are either 1. not moving or 2 move slowly. As far as the def and hp being low. She has the lowest in the game. Not sure where youo get the thing that most people dont use hp stuff for gear. Because nearly every solo of any place most are at over 50 if not 60k hp.

To me i think she is about where she needs to be. However some of the skills are not as effective as they should be. Be it for the fact that you have to the stand in one place and use it (meaning you get beat up by mobs) or just some simply lacking in practicality. She seriously is not some class that you roll and will kill off everything without getting a scratch on you. Also to the best of my knowledge Jin, Haru, and Stella in KR are pretty much the fav. Iris is not even considered to be that good. Would rank erwin better IMO for a few reasons, but most people already know those im sure :-).

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

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I can understand where you're coming from with the fluent playstyle like Haru, a lot of her skills kind of combo into each other whereas Iris sets down AoE and nukes. Haru is more mob killing combo style whereas Iris is more like "outta my face or I nuke you" char

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That nuke has a hell of a CD and yes Haru can simply one shot mobs and the cast time is no where near as long as iris lol Haru is very very strong. Not to mention is not exactly a scrub by any means when it comes to single target dps either. Iris has a lot more flaws than you are giving her credit for.

I cannot count the time that a mob and bosses has moved out of the way of her "nukes" just because they are taking so long to cast XD. Its like i can hear the mob and bosses going "ummmm ya know its not a good idea to stand here...hmmm I think im going to move now" XD She is like a Goku from DBZ only bad thing is most mobs and bosses dont stand there and wait for my kamihamiha XD Which brings up a lot of questions about that show. but thats another topic XD lol

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First i said % HP stat, most gears ppl will get Flat HP is better than % HP, except for Haru and Jin % HP stat is benefit them a lot more. Second you can go ask any KR streamer, they can tell you reason Haru and Jin was play so much because those two class chain combo is just very fluent and nice. KR don't really care op or not op, they play the class they enjoy. And U think Boss that move quick Iris not going to do better than any other class. You can go test it out with wearing level 30gears or 40 gears and go to any raid solo and see which class has the quickest time and easiest time. Iris is a lot stronger than you you don't give credit to. And korean nerf her, and didnt really nerf other class, instead Haru got buff, Erwin Bulls eyes is the only other class that got changes, because his advancement passive came out that give him more armor break %, so they balance the bull eyes by decrease the armor break % and increase the dmg %, i saw that patch note before. And Lily got revamped and got a buff. A lot of the class is getting buff, except for iris. and she got nerf once, and they probably think she is at balance point now. but she definitely stronger than all other class for sure. Well which it's expected, since she is supposed to be dps, but lack of defensive stat. Her defensive stat already the lowest, if her dps is lower than other class, then she became the weakest class and will probably get buff. So iris is the highest dps class, to me it's normal.

And you can check on KR end game, even iris has 70-80k+hp, while other class has 75-87k except for jin. at end game Base hp doesnt effect much on ur hp that much anymore, unless you are using % HP stat. Or stat bonus that give 25% hp, will give haru and jin few more thousands HP than iris. But at the end, Perfect aurith gears My friend Iris has 50k hp, my haru has 55khp. Most of the time the it's the % HP stat that influence iris stat. And that 5k differences is from the 25% set bonus if i am not wrong aurith give 25% hp.

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You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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I would have to disagree with some of what you said as far as the kr nerf goes to her. KR has nerfed not just her only. Not to mention. I can safely say haru would own her in dps. iris deals great damage to things that are either 1. not moving or 2 move slowly. As far as the def and hp being low. She has the lowest in the game. Not sure where youo get the thing that most people dont use hp stuff for gear. Because nearly every solo of any place most are at over 50 if not 60k hp.

To me i think she is about where she needs to be. However some of the skills are not as effective as they should be. Be it for the fact that you have to the stand in one place and use it (meaning you get beat up by mobs) or just some simply lacking in practicality. She seriously is not some class that you roll and will kill off everything without getting a scratch on you. Also to the best of my knowledge Jin, Haru, and Stella in KR are pretty much the fav. Iris is not even considered to be that good. Would rank erwin better IMO for a few reasons, but most people already know those im sure :-).

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

I can understand where you're coming from with the fluent playstyle like Haru, a lot of her skills kind of combo into each other whereas Iris sets down AoE and nukes. Haru is more mob killing combo style whereas Iris is more like "outta my face or I nuke you" char

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That nuke has a hell of a CD and yes Haru can simply one shot mobs and the cast time is no where near as long as iris lol Haru is very very strong. Not to mention is not exactly a scrub by any means when it comes to single target dps either. Iris has a lot more flaws than you are giving her credit for.

I cannot count the time that a mob and bosses has moved out of the way of her "nukes" just because they are taking so long to cast XD. Its like i can hear the mob and bosses going "ummmm ya know its not a good idea to stand here...hmmm I think im going to move now" XD She is like a Goku from DBZ only bad thing is most mobs and bosses dont stand there and wait for my kamihamiha XD Which brings up a lot of questions about that show. but thats another topic XD lol

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First i said % HP stat, most gears ppl will get Flat HP is better than % HP, except for Haru and Jin % HP stat is benefit them a lot more. Second you can go ask any KR streamer, they can tell you reason Haru and Jin was play so much because those two class chain combo is just very fluent and nice. KR don't really care op or not op, they play the class they enjoy. And U think Boss that move quick Iris not going to do better than any other class. You can go test it out with wearing level 30gears or 40 gears and go to any raid solo and see which class has the quickest time and easiest time. Iris is a lot stronger than you you don't give credit to. And korean nerf her, and didnt really nerf other class, instead Haru got buff, Erwin Bulls eyes is the only other class that got changes, because his advancement passive came out that give him more armor break %, so they balance the bull eyes by decrease the armor break % and increase the dmg %, i saw that patch note before. And Lily got revamped and got a buff. A lot of the class is getting buff, except for iris. and she got nerf once, and they probably think she is at balance point now. but she definitely stronger than all other class for sure. Well which it's expected, since she is supposed to be dps, but lack of defensive stat. Her defensive stat already the lowest, if her dps is lower than other class, then she became the weakest class and will probably get buff. So iris is the highest dps class, to me it's normal.

And you can check on KR end game, even iris has 70-80k+hp, while other class has 75-87k except for jin. at end game Base hp doesnt effect much on ur hp that much anymore, unless you are using % HP stat. Or stat bonus that give 25% hp, will give haru and jin few more thousands HP than iris. But at the end, Perfect aurith gears My friend Iris has 50k hp, my haru has 55khp. Most of the time the it's the % HP stat that influence iris stat. And that 5k differences is from the 25% set bonus if i am not wrong aurith give 25% hp.

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Ummmm i once again cannot agree with you on this. DPS in KR is more driven then here. Keep in mind for the last nearly 10 years all i have played is KR mmos. When ever anything that comes out has more dps they reroll in most cases. So that i can say for sure its not true. The goal is fast and efficient farming. They have mastered that IMO. When a whole guild can have full +9 gear. im sorry thats not just playing what you enjoy. They are farming none stop. So I cannot agree with you on that "they play what they enjoy" thing. Considering when you go look at youtube its mainly the same classes over and over again doing solos of endgame content. Iris not in this life time or the next will not out dps haru. I love her but i can be flat out honest.

Also Iris does get buffs at lvl 60 so not sure where you said she gets none. They fix a couple of the skills in which i mentioned in my previous post. Some of the skills just were absolutely awful and lacked utility in any form. Be it mobs or on a boss. Also your failing to mention the cd's on these "nukes" as well as immobility of these skills. Or how often monsters just move out the way and you hit nothing. Granted all classes in some way have that. However i think Iris suffers badly.

A fun watch for you would be Erwin soloing Primal at lvl 55 on youtube. I cannot see iris doing it. the dps diff is real. Dont missunderstand me. I do get where your coming from. "iris hits hard" (which umm Jin hits ...yea. seriously would question who hits hard of the two. and his nuke is a hell of a lot better as far as catching a walking boss because of its wide area). However i dont think she is the top dps. same gear i rane a few districts solo since your previous message. Just compairing my Jin and Iris. Can honestly say Jin killed everything faster and took less damage at that. But that might just be I'm better with Jin than iris. Trust me im no pro thats for sure haha

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You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

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Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

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my god! you used my Ferrari analogy!!! XD :-p. I can agree with alot of what you said though kinda. However if you have not tried out Jin then yeeeea. Ya gotta try it XD. Trust me playing Iris i find myself having Jin or Haru withdrawals lol you have to basically wait for mobs/bosses to walk in to some of the harder hitting skills. and you you cannot move!!! >.<. if the mob or boss moves while your casting you just flat out miss. Where as other classes can make sure they land the big powerful hitting skills.

Yes she is amazing in her own way just like all the classes. However I'm sure that she does not hit harder than Haru or Jin. So im not sure why people would be jelous of her. Hell I will say this as well. A geared Erwin is no joke either. But with Primal coming (the boss that dont move XD). She will do well....maybe. The the cds on her skills are just to damn long XD. (hard hitters that is)