Remove the rngboxes completely, Gameforge

    The point with lootboxes is that some people REALLY want the outfit, they expect to pay a fixed sum for it as it was in every other version of the game, I know people who were desperate for it and spent waaay too much money on these lootboxes.


    Yeah, its the individuals fault for buying lootboxes, but lootboxes are an enabler and is literally just gambling.. your whole argument about this is "stop spending money" tell that to the hundreds and thousands of people who waste their life savings away in casinos. It feeds off of people's addictions and it honestly disgusts me that you think that preying on the weak minded is an ok and just thing to do. (Also the lootboxes do give you items that can give you an edge over others so that argument is pretty invalid.)


    I agree that parents should control their kids online behaviour, but as you can see with the SW community that they don't.


    And if that's the stupidest thing you've read all week, then I highly suggest you do more reading.


    No one said it was my decision to make I'm merely stating that it shouldn't have been a thing if you compare the other versions, in fact please do that. Compare the JP and KR versions with ours, tell me Gameforge is doing a great job after that.


    Partnerships work both ways, Gameforge can quite as easily request specific content at a specific date and expect their requests to be met. The same way they've obviously requested that these items be put into lootboxes and LG has complied.

    The reason Gameforge gets the flak of the hate? Isn't it obvious that GF is the one requesting these unnecessary changes in the first place? Again, compare the different versions.


    Nowhere did I agree with what BSW has been doing, they're stealing from LG which is incredibly scummy. What I actually said is that I understand that the playerbase wants to switch because that version has what most people want. Don't take my words out of context.


    "You're not better at SW when you spend more money" good god, that's the stupidest thing I've read all week.

    I've not seen a single person have a +9 weapon who hadn't sunk a ton of money into getting it. The +9 weapon is way more powerful than +6-7 which is the typical amount non-whales can obtain. Saying that there's no p2w system because its RNG is completely idiotic and quite frankly shows how blind you are to the issues.


    Its more than likely due to the fact that each costume that has been released since the first lootbox has been in a lootbox, thought it was obvious but I guess sometimes you have to elaborate for the stupid.


    Again, lootboxes are essentially a scam, you're just picking apart words in an attempt to form an argument, very childish. And yes, there are lootboxes that are less of a scam as they provide a 100% chance to obtain rare items when you open a set number of them, I actually mentioned this prior.


    People expect some content to be released during the time the game is alive, if there were more content upon release or closer to it - the game would have had a more consistent playerbase. >>> See Bless online.


    It's called feedback, companies can change their policies and have shown to do so in the past. (as Yagyu stated even EA changed one of their policies due to feedback) if you don't like it, don't read it.


    Gameforge has a bad rep for a reason, it baffles me how people like you can turn a blind eye and defend their business model, although with the constant stream of childish insults you've posted in response I can quite clearly see why.

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    Did I talk about GameForge translating ? I told you to do their job, since all you do is criticize it, you must be better than them, right ?


    And if you had ALL of the content released at once, there would be no group for GC, nor Primal

    everyone would try to look for a group and wouldn't find any. This is the dumbest idea i've ever read.

    You do know that you have to play gc for entry tickets right? Also there should be a gc update that allows you to enter gc with 2 people. Why bother doing their job if you can play somewhere else if they don't do it right?

    "This is the dumbest idea i've ever read." alright now I know that you have zero game knowledge. So I will also ignore your replies now ^^

    everything will come to an end~

    "Zero game knowledge" and you want all of the content to be uploaded at once. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GRIND CONTENT OH MY @edit GOD.


    I would love to see how hard it would be for you, how dumb your idea was, and how @edit


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    Can I just ask, why did you decide to bring grinding into an argument about lootboxes?


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    Yeah, I somewhat get your analogy. But politics are a lot more 'large scale' than a game which is heavily reliant on the developer to make it worth players' time!


    As I've mentioned multiple times already, players leaving isn't just because this and that hasn't happend. Every game, every single game only has so much to offer. After everything is said and done people will either leave or stay. This is something you can't change. Regardless of how godly and perfectly optimised and how pretty the graphics are.


    A very simple example: You wouldn't want to eat your favourite meal every day, would you? Or say, even if you would - it will get bland fairly fast. So you'd spice it up. But... The big one! You could either spice it up or try sth new. And now there could be the possibility to appreciate your newly created meal (different recipe, idk) even more. So know your favourite meal has changed. You might get back to your old favourite meal once in a while but that's it.


    Citizens satisfaction != Prosperity!


    Company's don't have smart strategy's to satisfy their costumers but to ensure that the company generates money. Furthermore in most industries their is competition.

    Sure, Soulworker is not exempted from the competition but yet again. There are only three games at the moment which have an anime-esque artstyle. Kritika, Closers and Soulworker. With Soulworker being the most populated. So the competition isn't that threatening to Soulworker.

    Say, if we had different, various (official) publishers then yes, publishers would be fighting for each and every single player. Which would in turn require 'smart' strategies to keep players.



    The very first sentence to your response is absolutely ludicrous!

    So, it's not okay to support Gameforge? And you're calling him out for that? Could you be any more hypocritical...
    You insult him because he doesn't agree with your opinion? Excuse me?! Did you even read your comment? With this sentence you've basically shown the legitimacy of any of your claims which is nonexistent! And the very last sentence of your verbose answer vehemently manifestes that you won't do further discussions; when it wasn't one in the first place! You never brought anything new to the table...


    The major difference between Soulworker and other bigger MMOs is their diversity of content. They have much more to offer which Soulworker just doesn't. And that won't change EVEN if we get all Korea has. Soulworker isn't that game. And being delusional about it won't change the fact, that Soulworker is only so much.

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    So, you believe that you're very woke because you see sth that, you claim a blind 'supporter' doesn't? If he wouldn't care, he wouldn't be writing anything here in the first place! All he does is being realistic. You constantly complaining about Gameforge won't change anything since all you're giving isn't constructive feedback.

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    And again someone who claims to support the game and still plays on BSW. WTF. Either support the game all the way or don't. I'm even surprised you possess the audacity to call him a "blind" supporter when you played BSW. What the actual fizzle?


    So, you don't want Soulworker to change? Just to prove your point? Okay, that seems pretty infantile. A community has all sorts of people, you being at least somewhat considerate of other would show some maturity. Your comment surly doesn't. But hey, what do I know - this is the internet and we're all strangers.


    I've played since CBT! I haven't played for some months because of personal reasons but I can ensure you that the game has changed a lot since I've stopped playing and it has become better. Gameforge has come a long way with the release. And that is something you cant refute.


    Again. You're complaing because you didn't get your way? How is that constructive feedback or how does that contribute to the community in any way?

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    You can't compare this version to other versions? This very statement is extremely ignorant. The West simple doesn't have such high demand for MMOs. Asia is much different in that regard. And that won't change, even with the next Big Hit! Just look at the market share of companies which publish games here in the West and Asia. Their market share pales in comparison to overseas.


    adsas

    This makes no sense. CBT was 2015 in Japan, the game's official release was April 2016. Korea's release was only last year, Janurary 2017. I really can't comprehend where you're coming up with these calculations.

    If you would have actually bothered reading my prior reply to your strange remarks, you would know that Soulworker Korea was basically a hairbreadth away from shutting down but through some lucky circumstances it was saved. Not because of the great game but because Closers devs effed up their own game and thus saving Soulworker.

    ~ indefinite hiatus ~

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    Can I just ask, why did you decide to bring grinding into an argument about lootboxes?

    well kinda swifted from the topic I guess. But apparently he doesn't know that you have to grind in SW. This guy can't think logically anyway so don't bother quoting him.


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    tbh can i ask what the @edit is going on here, i mean the hell?

    from lootboxes to newcontent how why wtf

    and boi Pyk please go to sleep cause ur shit makes me cry and i feel i want to hit u with a pineapple


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    I started talking about this is response to someone. Because they were complaining about the "no content" of SoulWorker.

    wich is a dumb argument (as i've already said, so go back reading)

    This will be my last reply to you on this threat regarding the things i said. Gcc was released on th 20th october 2017. Sorry for miscalculating the date :) nearly a year I guess. Being a hairbreadth away from being shut downed once shouldn't matter anymore. what does it have to do with the release schedule?

    If you want to debate further you can pm since this is the wrong thread for further debations.

    everything will come to an end~

    Seems Nocturne doesn't understand the difference between genuine support and blind following.
    If Pyk could present me with multiple, legitimate ways Gameforge has positively improved the game since beta, maybe I will give more credit.
    However, Pyk refuses to read fully, doesn't respond to every point I make and just goes back and forth telling people to grind, even though a lot of people have been here since beta and there is literally nothing to grind without it feeling intensely boring and stale.

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    People are leaving because of the lack of content or because they are waiting for more content to come out, it has nothing to do with RNG boxes and in all honesty why would anyone quit over an outfit?. They also have any right to do whatever they want with their version of the game, you cant just compare every single decision to other versions it just doesn't work like that


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    The issue which you claimed to be the main reason people are leaving is temporary, and will be somewhat solved with the release of new content.

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    GameForge Soulworker version has the lowest playerbase right now. Few players might be coming back once gcc comes but that's only temporary. Do you guys think that the peaple who left are dumb? Why would you keep playing a game that needed over 4 months to release more content that instead released new fashion weekly to milk their players out?

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    Now i'm laughing. But yeah, I was the "first one" to talk about new content.


    And this is only the second page, didn't want to go further to prove you wrong.




    Vitae if I don't respond to all of your points, that is not because i've not read it. It's just that I consider I already responded to them before. But ironically, i had to say the same things again and again and you still don't understand.


    And keep accusing me for things you guys have done.

    Seems you don't understand what the word somewhat means to me, do me a favour and just leave. Your 'evidence' is nothing but your lack of understanding for the language which you supposedly speak

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    Boi content is trash here and its true

    especially for ppl who cant do anything anymore in this game

    maybe ur patient but thats only u

    90% want new content 10% patient


    u know its rly boring when u already have everything

    and u cant do anything anymore

    just try to think about it

    im not saying release all the shit at once

    but for example GCC + all adv at once

    and around 1 week later primal


    but rly if u think we dont need content then i recommend u to go back play tetris or something

    and have fun

    After reading a bit into the topic i fail to understand Pyk's point of view. You are either a player who started maybe 1 month ago, or you certainly don't play this game, cause there is so much wrong with how this version is handled and i can't even list all that. The fact, that you complain that majority(if not all) are literally begging for content shouldn't surprise anyone who played at least 2~ Month's. Before i took a break this game was even worse, cause gameforge was even lazy enough to do no events at all. Is it really so hard to understand, that you need to make the people at least log in or in a perfect world even PLAY the game, cause log in reward is pure ass and the first months of the game you also had no events at all till easter i think but i wouldn't call that even a real event. I could go on and on, but it doesn't even belong here.

    I started since CBT, I have all characters ready to grind Primal level 55, fully geared, i'm aiming to clear success now cause i've almost cleared all of the progression.


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    Seems you don't understand what the word somewhat means to me, do me a favour and just leave. Your 'evidence' is nothing but your lack of understanding for the language which you supposedly speak


    I am French and not fluent in English, but you manage to talk to me, that's enough right ?

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    but for example GCC + all adv at once

    and around 1 week later primal



    And then what ? AoV 2 weeks later right ? after that ? Oh that's right, just go to the forum harass GameForge to "developp something new".


    You guys now are happy, cause i'm out of here, pointless.

    Quote from Pyk

    And then what ? AoV 2 weeks later right ? after that ? Oh that's right, just go to the forum harass GameForge to "developp something new".


    You guys now are happy, cause i'm out of here, pointless.

    You know that Soulworker isn't the game by Gameforge right?

    Lion Games is the developer. Gameforge is the publisher for the western market.


    My opinion about Haru's post: He want to be up to date and equal with Korea (may 1 content behind or 2, which is absolutely fine). The gap is too big.


    You can't blame him for that, the lvl60 content is a lot more fun than 55 especially with advance modes but you also need primal for the upcoming content.

    (off topic now)


    Tera (Gameforge), BNS (NCsoft I guess?) are equal with Korea, same content and the games are even open world with tons of dungeons and way more stuff in it, well I guess hes not wrong since Soulworker is more based on fast arcade dungeons for now at least.

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