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What are you writing here. What account transfer. Have you lost all your brains while creating angry topics here. Once again for those who do not understand why data transfer is impossible. A new server is a new server ... this is not a new company (according to the logic of LG's understanding) ... on a new server, everyone starts from scratch - this is the law of creating a new server.

The player base here does not exceed 1000 players. Veterans who are fully dressed in the best things are only 300 people no more. Now you just show how sorry you were for the money spent on the game .... but no one forced you to do this .... you feel sorry for the time spent on the game, but no one forced you to play.

By all the rules of marketing, transferring player data is not a profitable business, the exception is a player base of 5000 people .... do we have one? Before closing, you were crying and whining on the forum .... not happy with everyone ... now that the project is officially closed, what are you doing. Snot again. Can not be ,

so that you don't have at least a little respect for yourself and others ... start from scratch ... there will be excitement ... there will be competition ... No, give you continuation of progress ... new players will not be profitable in any case position. A year before the announcement of the closure, I already knew that this would happen by communicating with the right people.

It was not profitable and wrong to disclose information. Want to transfer data .... nothing is easier ... pay for a new LG server will transfer you. And if you can’t, then you don’t need to mislead other players by giving false hope of transfer chances.

Alright cool then give me back all the money I put into this game then. I will charge it back I don't fucking care. I want all my costumes and all the other shit I bought. You can reset me back to level 1 I don't have a problem with that but I want all the stuff that I bought excluding equipment back on my account or I'm charging it the fuck back. You can't do shit like that. Let's see who will win my bank with billions of pounds or some stupid ass publisher, I wonder.

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Return to you ..... and you were not mistaken with such a request. You played on a GF server .... you spent your money voluntarily. You can only request a refund from GF. LG is not obligated to return anything to you. If you are a real life millionaire, you can buy your own game server. If you are a millionaire in the game,

you can buy a lot of game items, but you cannot buy your game account. If there was even a small chance of data transfer .... do you think there would be only 10 pages of comments in this thread?

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Lol I already got my money back. Thanks Barclays. My bank got my back they won't let me get messed around by some dogdy ass publisher. Let see who will win some german dogdy scammers or a multi-billionare banking institution? Oh I think I know who won lmao. My bank doesn't have date limits on chargebacks I can chargeback from 10 years ago if I want.

Nice now that I got my 400 pounds back maybe I will spend it on Epic Seven or other Gatcha trash. I rather that than give Gameforge one more pence, I should have known better since I played Nostale 10 years ago.

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So I have over $100 worth of unspent premium currency sitting there that's just going to poof and I can't get it back and it's not transferring to another server.

That, at the very least, should be refunded..

Don't listen to the other guy just charge it back like me and get all your money back simple. They won't do anything to you. What will they do? Ban you? Lol. Game is closing anyway you got nothing to lose just charge it back.

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If you were able to solve your money problems. Why are you writing here. I'm glad that you got your money back ... then I see no reason for you to comment on the forum. Bon Voyage.

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So I have over $100 worth of unspent premium currency sitting there that's just going to poof and I can't get it back and it's not transferring to another server.

That, at the very least, should be refunded..

In most cases, the company offers to transfer such currency to another of its projects. You need to contact support on this issue. If you are refused or simply ignored .... then there is nothing to be done about it. But I completely agree with you on this issue.

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What are you writing here. What account transfer. Have you lost all your brains while creating angry topics here. Once again for those who do not understand why data transfer is impossible. A new server is a new server ... this is not a new company (according to the logic of LG's understanding) ... on a new server, everyone starts from scratch - this is the law of creating a new server.

The player base here does not exceed 1000 players. Veterans who are fully dressed in the best things are only 300 people no more. Now you just show how sorry you were for the money spent on the game .... but no one forced you to do this .... you feel sorry for the time spent on the game, but no one forced you to play.

By all the rules of marketing, transferring player data is not a profitable business, the exception is a player base of 5000 people .... do we have one? Before closing, you were crying and whining on the forum .... not happy with everyone ... now that the project is officially closed, what are you doing. Snot again. Can not be ,

so that you don't have at least a little respect for yourself and others ... start from scratch ... there will be excitement ... there will be competition ... No, give you continuation of progress ... new players will not be profitable in any case position. A year before the announcement of the closure, I already knew that this would happen by communicating with the right people.

It was not profitable and wrong to disclose information. Want to transfer data .... nothing is easier ... pay for a new LG server will transfer you. And if you can’t, then you don’t need to mislead other players by giving false hope of transfer chances.

Alright cool then give me back all the money I put into this game then. I will charge it back I don't fucking care. I want all my costumes and all the other shit I bought. You can reset me back to level 1 I don't have a problem with that but I want all the stuff that I bought excluding equipment back on my account or I'm charging it the fuck back. You can't do shit like that. Let's see who will win my bank with billions of pounds or some stupid ass publisher, I wonder.

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Return to you ..... and you were not mistaken with such a request. You played on a GF server .... you spent your money voluntarily. You can only request a refund from GF. LG is not obligated to return anything to you. If you are a real life millionaire, you can buy your own game server. If you are a millionaire in the game,

you can buy a lot of game items, but you cannot buy your game account. If there was even a small chance of data transfer .... do you think there would be only 10 pages of comments in this thread?

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when a company scam you people you don't complain at all

bro stop lying you know that's not true forums has been a complain fest since the beginning. only defender was neconeco and ironically he got banned

Sorry, i phrased it poorly.

I should had said "when a company scam you, you do nothing and just complain, and what did your complain? Nothing.

You all knew this game was going to shutdown from at least 1 year and who didn't think about it got warned about it so you all knew this was going to happen and all the progress would be lost.Then when it happen you all complain about it.

This mess it's all gameforge's and your's fault.Why do you blame the company for closing the project? The company acted according to the contract .... the company may have been rude to the players, but it fulfilled its obligations to LG. Otherwise, there would have been legal proceedings. LG planned to develop its project, the Korean version of the game tells us about it.

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Have you ever wondered why GF became the publisher of this game. Why LG hasn't reached out to larger companies. The answer is obvious ... this is just an advertisement for the game for 3 years. There were problems in other regions ... for example in Japan. It all depends on the size of the audience. You should have understood that the company is not interested in the development of the game.Sales was what mattered. Now you blame everyone and demand data transfer ... but who told you that you have such a right. In other games, the situations were similar ... and even the richest players didn't complain. Free play gives you a choice, while paid play presents you with a fact. Contact LG directly ....maybe you will be given an official answer. But here on the forum it is useless to complain or demand.

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when a company scam you people you don't complain at all

bro stop lying you know that's not true forums has been a complain fest since the beginning. only defender was neconeco and ironically he got banned

Thank you for understanding. I got the lock deservedly, they just made me angry with their stupidity and I went beyond the rules. After that I decided not to get involved in disputes so much, although it is sad to look at all the excuses of both the players and the company. In any case, only we were the loser.

Whether or not a lie ... it doesn't matter now. We just lost everything ... starting from scratch might be even more interesting. It is a pity that others cannot understand this.

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As speed said refund is possible with paypal charge back, but why GF still sell soulcash on a game that will shut down any time soon ?

Why this compagny dont refund ppl who have paid month before ?

Game contract, made that possible for them, this just show how much they will take any penny left.

Now ppl get mad about not get the data on other server, but forget all the s*** they do when ppl speak up about the greedness of GF try to argue and deffend them.

Where is the ppl who said the game was fine and try to minimise the whole dirt ?

Where are you the 1st guard of GF ?

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Everything bad that happens in the world .... comes from our stupidity.

All rights to the game are held by the developers ... secondary companies cannot control the game and follow a contract with the developers. No need to think that localizers can change the game.

Developer(s)	Lion Games Studios
Publisher(s)	JPN: Hangame[2] KOR: Smilegate[1] TWN: Lion Games Co., Ltd.[3] EU/NA: Gameforge[4]
Engine	Vision
Platform(s)	Microsoft Windows
Release	JP: April 6, 2016[6] KOR: January 18, 2017[5] TWN: October 2, 2020[7] EU/NA: February 26, 2018 [8]
Genre(s)	Action MMORPG
Mode(s)	Multiplayer

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I understand they have said there will be no transfer to the new server but it doesn't hurt to try convincing them. They have provided only one reason as to why they won't be able to.

1) There is apparently a law in the EU that will not allow sharing of account information as that is a breech of privacy.

The solution to that is simple and others have suggested this. A opt in would bypass that easily since the players in question gave consent. Additionally, for those playing on Steam, identify the player is even easier because your steam account is an obvious and public identifier. Lastly, what about players on NA? So are we screwed over? Oh and other games in the past with EU servers had transfer so why can't we?

2) Some players have brought forth the argument that it would be unfair to new players that 3 year old veterans get a head start.

But that is also bollocks. It is exactly because we have spent years on this game and some real life money that we should be able to keep our progress. New players getting on GFSW now would be at a disadvantage compared to veteran players. Once the international server is a year old, new players will also be at a disadvantage. Any new player will be at a disadvantage, that is just how these games work. If anything, it makes more sense rewarding loyal and veteran players. This will cause old players to quit after losing their progress and damage both Lion Games and Gameforge's reputation. New players will not care if veteran players keep their progress. Why would they? It doesn't affect them. So transferring can only lead to positives for both the two companies and player base.

3) Well, no game lasts forever, so you should have expected to lose your progress before spending money and time on it. Your fault for spending recklessly. It is not the end of the world.

Some have brought this up. While this is true, it is not the end of the world. It is not life or death. We all should be aware that the time and money we put on this server will disappear one day. But if we have the option to keep our progress, why not? There is no reason not to. This argument falls flat because it is merely an excuse for acceptance rather than a reason to not transfer data. If soulworker shuts down entirely, then there is no alternative and all progress will have to be wiped. But it is not. We are getting a replacement server. That means there exist the possibility of a transfer. So far the publicly announced reason is just unsatisfactory. As already mentioned the reason provided isn't enough of a barrier.

4) Well some have said the economy would be damaged. Current economy on EU and NA are really bad, transferring would cause the new server to suffer.

This is admittedly the most challenging part. But I propose that the transfer can go two ways. The first is a bit harder. All items transferred will be soulbound on receipt. So ECs will go from red to yellow version. So on and so forth. It can still be used but cannot be traded. Same with fashion, same with materials. Dzenai and BP will be reset so there's no excess money in circulation. Aethar can remain since it can't be traded anyways.

The other option is simply transfer fashion and maybe akasha or some other premium tab items. People paid real money for those. Some transfer is better than no transfer. We don't even need to transfer everything.

5) Some have claimed that Lion Games just want people to whale again for their stuff back. So is it really the best way to earn money?

Honestly, I think being able to keep your existing player base will reap you more income in the long term. There will always be new content and fashion players will spend on. New players that join will spend. Old players that stay will spend. The new players joining will be the smae no matter if there is a transfer or not and so the income from this group will be the same. However without transfer, old players will quit decreasing the income coming from this group in the long term. Transferring will however affect how many old players stay. The more old players that stay the more people you have spending. Old players are also the most loyal and likely to spend and so keeping as much of them as possible would earn you far more in the long run. Sure in the short term, everyone whaling to get their old stuff back is tempting, but there will be less players buying premium stuff in the future due to many people quitting in the transition.

That is all. If there is any additional concerns, you can bring it up and see if we can tackle the issue. Also Gameforge or Lion Games, (I doubt they will be here though) if you are going to respond just telling us there will be no transfer.. Don't bother. Give us an explanation why these proposed solutions won't work. That way we can have a discussion and promote potential solutions.

Lastly, please bring bank sharing to the new server. Or give us an equally if not a better alternative to akasha, anti-destruct, and strength expansion farming. This is a make or break for many players

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2)This is not so right either, is different from other games.

In other games as bdo there is no service stop to re-open it later, the service continue with a both side agreement, but here the service will stop to reopen anew later, so steam will advertize the game as new... What would you think about a new server with lv 68 the first second the server is opened? It's not just about fair and not fair, it's not always black or white.

3)Hell yeah, a game don't last forever, but it's still your fault for spending money on a dead game.

It's not like this was new, i knew that this game was going to shut down very soon. I told to my friend more than 1 year ago that this game was going to shut down probably in 2020, at latest in first half 2021.

What you did was totally a waste of time and money, if you had dropped this game when i told you to do so then by this time we would had the new version without waste of time and money. But no, you had to spend money on a dead game, i will not go as far as to say "serves you right" but really, you reap what you sow and there is no point to complain now.

4)A selective transfer is not an option.

5)I think this is simple. I think they know that sooner or later who play on gfsw will play on their version too.

Why is this? For 2 reasons.

a)If you really like the game you will play it again, now maybe you are angry because you lost years of hard work and i understand it, but like i said you will play it again.

b)Out of interest you will try the new version, and when you will see that it's way better than this version you will want to play it again.

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2) It is pretty black and white. Not trying to be rude here but that's circular logic since the premise is that it will be branded as a fresh start isn't going to be true if a transfer was done. It is advertised as the service being reopened with complete fresh start because they don't plan on transferring data. If they listen to us and provide a transfer, the advertisement would be that the service will reopen under Lion Games with old data kept. Any new player approaching the new server wouldn't be misled.

To a new player "new service with all accounts reset and up to date content" versus "new service with all old accounts kept and up to date content" is basically the same to new players advertisement wise. They wouldn't care. I don't think anyone that got on to play GFSW on official release cared about beta players keeping their data either. What's the difference here? Just advertise and brand the new server according to the ultimate decision. If it is a fresh start, then so be it. If it includes a transfer, then mention that. New players don't care and they really shouldn't since the game is PVE.

As a side note about what End was saying that new players will struggle due to lack of veteran players accepting newbies. I don't think that's going to be a problem either. It will be easier for new players to progress because there will be carries. Especially in regards with older content, most veteran players won't be picky since it's easy to solo. The brooch and resources will be more accessible since veteran players won't be competing against new players. Lastly, with Violent Sun or Lunar Fall coming out, we'll likely get free gears like other servers.

3) Well I personally didn't pay a dime on this game. I did spend 5000 hours which isn't even comparable to what others have put in to this game. I would concede that most of those 5000 hours was worthwhile. I have various reasons on why I didn't purchase anything during these 3 years but that's is just a personal decision. Others have paid real money and I have already said that it is the player's decision to invest in a dying game.

My point however is that despite that, I firmly believe that a transfer is possible and so we should be able to. Once again the argument about 'poor spending decision' is irrelevant. That is a mere acceptance and a lesson to be learned. The transfer is a discussion regarding minimizing the damage that would be done to player data. Anyone that have made a mistake would try to minimize the damage and problems caused by said mistake. Asking for a transfer is very much part of that process.

Secondly, "should we transfer user data" cannot be answered with "no, because they knew this was temporary."

The response is not even a valid answer to the question since the original question isn't asking rather players should have expected the outcome. But rather should players be able to keep their data.

4) Expand please. Why is that not possible?

5) I doubt that. There are already players moving to other games like Genshin since there was no new content on GFSW. Losing all their progress will give them an excuse to just quit the game entirely. On the other hand, if they kept their data with new content, they will return to play said new content. Many people won't return to grind back everything they lost just to play the new content. At that point they will just quit entirely.

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Stop giving philosophy lessons. All agree that data transfer is possible. But not everyone understands why we are denied this. So 1 - our player base is not so big that they would make concessions to us .... there are no whales here either. 2 - different versions of the client ... when adding new content, the script lines are shifted, new IDs of objects and objects are added

... that some things may become different when migrated, or there may be errors in the migration. (no one will do this manually ... the same thing happens with other games where the old saves no longer work in new versions) 3 - LG did not plan to develop the game through GF ...

they just gave a small advertisement for the audience while they themselves were gradually preparing to open their server (this is beneficial in terms of profit without intermediaries). 4 - players who like the game will still play it even from scratch ... in the new version there will be so much relief in the gameplay ... when the server opens, I'm sure that,

there will also be complaints from disgruntled players on the forum. To summarize: Want to transfer your data, buy a private server to transfer .... suggest LG to launch a paid data transfer service ... they will gladly refuse you.

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If they only allowed brooch and akasha transfer there would be very few if any complaints.

Brooches are available for purchase with hamster coins .... no one would carry them. Cards in new versions drop out in dungeons as a box and an individual card. I would rather ask for the transfer of only progress .... things all this can be obtained over time.

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100 is too much give them the 5 with a rate of 0.01%

The only one winning is the house

Yeah.

What make me laugh is that when GF give them the scamwheel or the scambox without updates or information about the game they are happy to use their card and protect gameforge. When LG do the right thing to do, with probably (if it's like kr) a lot of updates and listen to the community (when the community make reasonable demands) they are angry and complain.

Literally nobody in this thread is defending Gameforge. In fact it's pretty safe to assume the people upset about LG refusing any data transfers are actually ecstatic to see GF lose the contract. People who would otherwise be very happy to continue playing and support LG are being told if they want to do so they have to start all over. THAT is why people are upset. Not because of some kind of imagined love for GF. Very dishonest to try and misrepresent this.

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I'm not talking about now, but when you defend gameforge for years of scam and then a company do the right thing and you complain... well...

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Excuse me? I've never defended GF on here. In fact I'm surprised I was never banned for some of the nasty things I said about them. You need to pay attention instead of staying hung up on some comment I made about it being nice if GF managed to maintain the faster pace of updates they had over the summer. You're literally so fixated on this you can't see we've been on the same team all along.

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It is useless to explain something to them. The audience here is very stupid ... they can't see beyond their noses. It has been said several times that there will be no data migration ... but they are misleading everyone trying to find a solution. There is no need to defend GF .... the contract has expired, what work they have done is up to us .... but we also need to make this decision.

Companies never admit their mistakes, as they act according to a business plan. If we were given a scan of the contract, we could see all the clauses and obligations of the parties. Only then can we speak with confidence about the bad and unfair work of GF. Why does everyone think that the transfer of any items is the responsibility of LG or GF.

You should understand that in 99% of such situations we have to start from scratch. Everyone is given the answer ... do not agree with him .... no one forces you to switch to a new server that will be opened unknown when.

What are you writing here. What account transfer. Have you lost all your brains while creating angry topics here. Once again for those who do not understand why data transfer is impossible. A new server is a new server ... this is not a new company (according to the logic of LG's understanding) ... on a new server, everyone starts from scratch - this is the law of creating a new server.

The player base here does not exceed 1000 players. Veterans who are fully dressed in the best things are only 300 people no more. Now you just show how sorry you were for the money spent on the game .... but no one forced you to do this .... you feel sorry for the time spent on the game, but no one forced you to play.

By all the rules of marketing, transferring player data is not a profitable business, the exception is a player base of 5000 people .... do we have one? Before closing, you were crying and whining on the forum .... not happy with everyone ... now that the project is officially closed, what are you doing. Snot again. Can not be ,

so that you don't have at least a little respect for yourself and others ... start from scratch ... there will be excitement ... there will be competition ... No, give you continuation of progress ... new players will not be profitable in any case position. A year before the announcement of the closure, I already knew that this would happen by communicating with the right people.

It was not profitable and wrong to disclose information. Want to transfer data .... nothing is easier ... pay for a new LG server will transfer you. And if you can’t, then you don’t need to mislead other players by giving false hope of transfer chances.

You think right. However, regardless of your discussions, we will lose everything. The new server will not open tomorrow ... it will be much later than the closing of the game here. At the start, of course, there will be a lot of freebies to attract the audience. But those who liked the game are ready to start from scratch. Alas, a request to transfer something,

these are rare cases when it is possible to lose a large audience of players at once (for example, as it was in Tera Online). You yourself shouted here that the game is dying and the online crashes ... so now you have to understand that a new server can donate a small audience. Next time you will think about what messages you need to create on the forum,

and what topics are better not to start.

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I love how when EnMasse shut down Tera NA the data was transferred to GF

https://board.tera.gameforge.c…d/80509-faq-tera-america/

But when GF shuts it down they don't want to...

Can you transfer at least the Brooches and Akashas and our banks, maybe excluding dz because of the dupe exploits. But Akashas and Brooches are a real pain to get again because requiring so much luck.

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The answer was given. The transfer of characters is not planned, as much as we would like it. Haven't you understood the company's policy all along. The situation with the game Tera Online was different. There was a huge player base and the company was forced to make concessions with data transfer, but still did not move the special currency.

Dear EN/NA Users

We would like to apologize to our beloved and active users concerning the service termination announcement from Gameforge. As Gameforge announced, current game service in EU/NA will end on 30th April, due to our publishing contract will be ended. But, we, Lion Games will make sure that we continue our service after transforming Soulworker services into our own, and further questions have been answered in below Q&A Section.

Q1. What contents will be included on EU/NA Server Build that Lion Games is producing?

A1. We aim to provide you with the latest contents on our version of service. The version we are preparing right now for the opening will include all eight characters, including Ephnel, West War 2nd and Lunarfall. Also, as followed by the launching build, we are planning to include Violent Sun and Lee Navi.

Moreover, Cash Store will be reconstructed from the web store into the in-game store, same as other territories. It will include the preview function to try-on costumes before purchase. Other gacha items (such as Roulettes) will be excluded from the cash store.

Q2. When is Opening Date?

A2. An opening date is not confirmed yet. Not only the translation work for newer contents but also revising the previous translation are going on as well to deliver a more sophisticated version of the Soulworker. Detailed schedules will be shared via our SNS channels once the launching schedule is fixed, so please take it into consideration.

Q3. Can I transfer a current account from GF?

A3. To provide a solution for transferring users’ accounts, we thoroughly considered whether the providable data could be transferred from GF to Lion Games. However, it was technically impossible to get the information required for identity verification based on ‘General Data Protection Regulation within the EU’. Hence we have concluded neither providing accounts transfer nor receiving any data from GF.

Q4. What will be the difference on Service from the Lion Games version of Soulworker?

A4. We are planning to assist your fast growth by providing various items, Boosters, to participate in Raid quickly, through our current Launching Event Plan. Also, we are working on an event using merchandises which was held in Taiwan. Further information will be notified once the detailed schedule is fixed. We know that we will have a lot to improve since it is our first time launching in Global Region, but we will do our best to make Soulworker always beloved.

If there are more questions besides the Q&A session above, we will inform you via Facebook Page (https://www.facebook.com/LIONGAMES.CO.LTD).

We appreciate you all your loves and supports.

Best Regards

Lion Games

https://web.facebook.com/LIONG…8306924669889?_rdc=1&_rdr

I liked reading their speech about how we made good friends and the time was bright.

Well, I think it's time to reel. I'm thinking of going to another game, but probably not with this company. They started to implement the game Tera Online. But I think in a year it will also end. It's a pity that no one will tell us an official answer why the project is being closed.

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I don't understand the 'cannot be deleted' on items. Why is that a thing? The only thing I feel that this is necessary for is quest items.

This is done so that the player does not accidentally delete the demanded items or items that you need to pay attention to. The very logic of such mechanics is very crude and incorrect. Some issues will be addressed in future updates. But the main task here was done in order to motivate players to buy an inventory expansion.

Most problems can be solved with simple solutions.

problem is that these respawners annoy people with maxed inventory the most, we are people that have played this game for so long that we have pages of these respawners and they waste precious space that we can't expand anymore

Yeah, I'm one of those people. Knowing that the company had problems with updates, I started looking for solutions to get rid of them. I spent the entire stock in a week. I kept myself only 50 pieces. I am sure many did the same.

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I don't understand the 'cannot be deleted' on items. Why is that a thing? The only thing I feel that this is necessary for is quest items.

This is done so that the player does not accidentally delete the demanded items or items that you need to pay attention to. The very logic of such mechanics is very crude and incorrect. Some issues will be addressed in future updates. But the main task here was done in order to motivate players to buy an inventory expansion.

Most problems can be solved with simple solutions.