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This thread has sure gotten large but that is to no one surprise.

For those of you arguing against the idea, let me ask you: What are you losing or gaining from this? If you don't like the idea then why are you here or better yet why don't offer a better alternative? These kinds of arguments are pointless since they don't offer any constructive criticism.

Now let me get to the real reason: Money. I think this is self-explanatory. It has also already been mentioned. let the new and old players give them even more money. They might also want to have a "fresh start." How and what exactly? By rebranding the game (which they are already doing). This will allow them to re-introduce the game with "new" ideas and concepts(meaning they don't want attachments to the old one). Rebranding can result in an increase in sales. Kritika, for example, increased its sales for the first few months when it rebranded itself in steam.

if you want to know why this might be the case you can read here:

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I know you guys are bitter about this and consider them selfish pricks for doing this, but let me reveal some relevant background: I don't know how long any of you have been following LiG, but they really have a bad history when it comes to financial stability. They once were running the game under debt and racked up a lot of debt during the meanwhile, but whether that debt is gone or not is something I don't know. I do know that they were able to raise a lot of money due to Closers drama(artist/feminism drama), gameforge's contract(Gameforge bought the game's rights and paid them royalties), and publishing (Gained traction).

but don't be surprised. This isn't the first time they have pulled greedy moves like this. In fact, the drama that happened back in December of last year was exactly because of their greed:

1) Release a hard dungeon, give shit drop rates and sell tickets for real money. Tell them the rate has been risen but still pretty hard to get. Basically:

Buy tickets -> shitty drop rates -> players complain -> they "increase" drop rate -> players buy tickets -> still shitty drop rate -> players complain.

It's greedy and disgusting, but it is a business. They will do what they need to do to remain afloat and achieve their goals.

I read some of you don't care about ruining their image, well you are in luck. They are not in a good situation right now. You just gotta go to the right places and say the right things to accomplish your goal. The fire has already been lit just gotta fuel it. so yea the cards aren't completely stacked against you

I could also mention how broken the economy is and how much of a factor it poses to data transfer, but I highly doubt that LiG knows the state of the game, let alone the economy(so what's the point anyways?).

Regardless, I would highly suggest a change of plan since they barely gain anything from doing this(a few players quitting ain't gonna cut it). I believe there can be a compromise though. Maybe instead of transferring data, they could give old players a code that has selective 5*star AR and selective tera brooches.

Also, whether there's a change of plans or not, you gotta stick with it. As soon as the game releases you gotta go to steam forums and get right on their faces. Afterall, you should be talking to them directly and won't have go through publishers like before (if my understanding is right). there is also the fact that there are barely any people that will get behind this

tl;dr: having gfsw players retain their items equals losses to them and that's a big no-no for them. If they don't seem to change their mind(likely). A change of plan might be needed to reach a compromise where both sides gain something.

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I had discussions with some other people and they also believe putting pressure through social media or something more direct would be more useful. But the question is... how? I don't know of any direct NA/EU community to LG communication. This barrier makes it hard to make our voices heard.

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There are ways.

One of these ways is to send a good amount of emails to ask for a way to communicate with them (a forum, a discord server, a dedicated facebook page).

Use a vpn to write in the steam page for TWSW, it's self published so i think they watch it?

A massive complain via comments in their official post, we will need to comment almost at the same time asking for the same thing.

We can coordinate in a dedicated discord server.

I gave you the idea and i espect just one thing in return. Don't use what i wrote above to make demands about data transfer or something of the sort.

OUR PRIORITY IS TO HAVE A DIRECT WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.

And then after that we can make our demands.

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About your suggestions.

The first is really... well... how i say it... you really didn't put much thinking in it.

Give 5* akasha and tera brooches to all old players? And if it was a players that didn't play for a long time and he didn't have 5* akasha or tera brooches? He get it for free without an effort. Not so much fond of the idea.

You are correct. I did not offer a full, detailed suggestion. It was just simply an idea and I intended it to be like that. The details can later be discussed with players and LiG to reach a compromise. Plus it wouldn't be right for me to do so since a single person does not and should not represent the entire community.

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About your second suggestion.

If you want to try something, NOW is the time to do it.

I think that after the server is closed all the data will be deleted and then it will be too late. So waiting for after the release it's pointless.

But think about what you need to do, if you try to take away players from the new server then it will only go against all of us.

First of all, I never said to not act now. If you can act, then do it. The sooner, the better, but how you do it changes everything. For starters, we don't really know if LiG even checks the forums, so if anything the only people reading this will be Gameforge who no longer hold the rights to make a decision related to the game and if you think Gameforge will help you deliver these complaints, then think twice. Look at all the false promises they've done. Don't rely on them. In short, the complaints should be directed at LiG, not Gameforge.

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About the "greedy" part.

I think you mistook a "we want money to survive" with a "we want money even if we are rich AF because we like money and want to take a bath in gold coins"

It's like comparing a guy with an onest job who just want a salary with a banker.

I always like to discuss things from a business perspective before contributing to any discussion that can potentially affect their profit. Yes, you are correct that they are not as greedy as you mentioned, but regardless it is greed. It is not about whether they need the money to survive, but rather how they attempt to get it. It's all about the methods. They are prioritizing profits over players' trust even though there are a lot more ways to get the same profits. No, your position does not completely justify your methods. They are using methods that disrespect their players and in turn, they are losing their trust. Greed will not get you far. This is exactly why the last director had to step down because of the same greed.

Your example does not completely do justice to what they are doing, but regardless I digress. I'm not here to talk or discuss the ethics or morality of LiG actions and I'm sure nobody is. This thread is also not meant for it. It just simply does not belong here, so I'll leave it at that since there's nothing else to be said.

However, if you insist, you can create your own thread or we can discuss it in private.

Also, I didn't mean to bold the entire thing. It won't go off after I turned it on.

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What are you losing or gaining from this?

Im losing a advantage who ppl get from cheater. They can buy everything in Market much higher because they get more DZ from hack.

You talk about constructive critisims but you neglect the point of view of many player.

Editing this just to reply to you and this is the only thing I'll reply to. If you read my entire comment, I did mention how broken the economy is and how much of a threat it poses to the data transfer. However, I chose to left out the specific details since I don't see a reason to write them out. Within the entire discussion of the economy, I would've included hacks, bots, duping, exploits, and other things that heavily damaged the economy and allowed some players to get away with it. It certainly wouldn't be fair for these players to get away with it, I agree with you. This is why I suggested an alternative method.

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1)I will say something about this at the end of this post.

2)I agree with you, it's better if we talk about it with LG but we need to do something as a community because if only one of us take action then they will not listen. I sent a mail to LG to ask about the bankshare more than 50 hours ago but still no answer and in the official post on fb they didn't write.

3)Fair point, this is most likely the same as what End wrote after your post. But i think i'm not entirely wrong either, we don't know their financial status or if they can really wait to earn a stable income.

At this point to get an answer we can only wait and see what they will do about the moneygrab policy in the near future.

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Advertise everyone that the game can be a cash grab and if they not change the game it will shutdown in Inter.

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totally free and no profit

League of Legends is free and no profit, is ppl who want to spend on it. ( and they have a lot of free indie game is make not for profit )

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The first is really... well... how i say it... you really didn't put much thinking in it.

Give 5* akasha and tera brooches to all old players? And if it was a players that didn't play for a long time and he didn't have 5* akasha or tera brooches? He get it for free without an effort. Not so much fond of the idea.

Is not about effort is about a compensation for everyone about they mess up.

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And making the next Publisher and LG survive 2 more year for greedness is not an viable option for players.

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1)League of legend is a game for profit, it's just that they can make profit with just skins, but they still have an income.

About free indie games, maybe they are marketing bait, they use those games to advertize the main game or maybe they develop indie games just for fun, but it's still about money, if they can develope games without an income it's because they have an income with lol.

Sorry for my bad english, i don't know if it sound right.

2)About the last part, there will be no next publisher, LG will self publish soulworker here. I agree with you on the last point, moneygrab to see the server die after 2-3 years is not an option.

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Editing this just to reply to you and this is the only thing I'll reply to. If you read my entire comment, I did mention how broken the economy is and how much of a threat it poses to the data transfer. However, I chose to left out the specific details since I don't see a reason to write them out. Within the entire discussion of the economy, I would've included hacks, bots, duping, exploits, and other things that heavily damaged the economy and allowed some players to get away with it. It certainly wouldn't be fair for these players to get away with it, I agree with you. This is why I suggested an alternative method.

That why i make another suggestions

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Maybe instead of transferring data, they could give ALL player a way to get card and brooches more easly and less RNG.

That not fair for ppl who want to play the game but are Region Lock, but i agree a lil bit to the idea.

And not just for a event, everytime.

For dedicated player who get what they deserve to actively play the game

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Here i'm not sure what to say.

A lifetime boost is appealing, but maybe it's still too much?

The problem is that we don't even know what they have in their mind, they said there will be boosts... but... what will we get exactly?

Now to talk about suggestions or compensation, someone want to open a thread to discuss it? I think this is not the right thread and we can brainstorm ideas about what to do.

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This thread has sure gotten large but that is to no one surprise.

For those of you arguing against the idea, let me ask you: What are you losing or gaining from this? If you don't like the idea then why are you here or better yet why don't offer a better alternative? These kinds of arguments are pointless since they don't offer any constructive criticism.

Now let me get to the real reason: Money. I think this is self-explanatory. It has also already been mentioned. let the new and old players give them even more money. They might also want to have a "fresh start." How and what exactly? By rebranding the game (which they are already doing). This will allow them to re-introduce the game with "new" ideas and concepts(meaning they don't want attachments to the old one). Rebranding can result in an increase in sales. Kritika, for example, increased its sales for the first few months when it rebranded itself in steam.

if you want to know why this might be the case you can read here:

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I know you guys are bitter about this and consider them selfish pricks for doing this, but let me reveal some relevant background: I don't know how long any of you have been following LiG, but they really have a bad history when it comes to financial stability. They once were running the game under debt and racked up a lot of debt during the meanwhile, but whether that debt is gone or not is something I don't know. I do know that they were able to raise a lot of money due to Closers drama(artist/feminism drama), gameforge's contract(Gameforge bought the game's rights and paid them royalties), and publishing (Gained traction).

but don't be surprised. This isn't the first time they have pulled greedy moves like this. In fact, the drama that happened back in December of last year was exactly because of their greed:

1) Release a hard dungeon, give shit drop rates and sell tickets for real money. Tell them the rate has been risen but still pretty hard to get. Basically:

Buy tickets -> shitty drop rates -> players complain -> they "increase" drop rate -> players buy tickets -> still shitty drop rate -> players complain.

It's greedy and disgusting, but it is a business. They will do what they need to do to remain afloat and achieve their goals.

I read some of you don't care about ruining their image, well you are in luck. They are not in a good situation right now. You just gotta go to the right places and say the right things to accomplish your goal. The fire has already been lit just gotta fuel it. so yea the cards aren't completely stacked against you

I could also mention how broken the economy is and how much of a factor it poses to data transfer, but I highly doubt that LiG knows the state of the game, let alone the economy(so what's the point anyways?).

Regardless, I would highly suggest a change of plan since they barely gain anything from doing this(a few players quitting ain't gonna cut it). I believe there can be a compromise though. Maybe instead of transferring data, they could give old players a code that has selective 5*star AR and selective tera brooches.

Also, whether there's a change of plans or not, you gotta stick with it. As soon as the game releases you gotta go to steam forums and get right on their faces. Afterall, you should be talking to them directly and won't have go through publishers like before (if my understanding is right). there is also the fact that there are barely any people that will get behind this

tl;dr: having gfsw players retain their items equals losses to them and that's a big no-no for them. If they don't seem to change their mind(likely). A change of plan might be needed to reach a compromise where both sides gain something.

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IDK how this would be a post against us who don't want the data transfer.

You just told me "you were correct in your assumption".

I wrote a post were i said that it was because of money, but then what?

I don't know how it work for you, but i wouldn't move a finger without getting a salary.

In this world it's all about money, you will not find a game that is there totally free and no profit.

Now, about soulworker, if LG don't make a profit and go bankrupt then where in the point in a new server? Where is the point in you getting your stuff back if you loose it all one or two years after with the game definitively closed?

About your suggestions.

The first is really... well... how i say it... you really didn't put much thinking in it.

Give 5* akasha and tera brooches to all old players? And if it was a players that didn't play for a long time and he didn't have 5* akasha or tera brooches? He get it for free without an effort. Not so much fond of the idea.

About your second suggestion.

If you want to try something, NOW is the time to do it.

I think that after the server is closed all the data will be deleted and then it will be too late. So waiting for after the release it's pointless.

But think about what you need to do, if you try to take away players from the new server then it will only go against all of us.

About the "greedy" part.

I think you mistook a "we want money to survive" with a "we want money even if we are rich AF because we like money and want to take a bath in gold coins"

It's like comparing a guy with an onest job who just want a salary with a banker.

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So if data is transfered and we have no bank share where will go the bank if we have full it ?

Ya this is likely a factor in why LG doesn't want to do data transfer. There are solutions such as making the bank go to the first char slot or giving players a chance to pull items out of the bank onto each of their chars (pretty much however they want to distribute their items before getting locked out of bank share) but coming up with a solution to help old players clearly is not part of their agenda.

LG rather just advertise to a new wave of players riding the anime action genre hype who have no clue how much of a QoL improvement it is to share the bank (and also didn't just have their gear stolen). They're also rubbing their hands at the idea that instead of whales rolling for gear that can be transferred between chars whales will instead have to roll all these items per character. It sounds like brilliant marketing until the realization that it causes most players to quit sooner than later because the vast majority do not want to start over just to play another class.

Also explains why JP has slowly died too. As Henryk mentioned new players don't care about bank share until they hit end game and wanna try playing a different class. The inability to share any of your dz or gear to help fund another char is frustrating enough that it's easier to just stop playing or only hop on for certain events if ever again. The fact that LG is removing bank share from their reboot servers is just another example of A) LG's incompetence and a total lack of understanding of the player base or B) a marketing decision meant to milk players to a certain point before they quit but most likely C) both A & B.

At this point it kinda just seems like cash grabs from every angle with no intention of trying to keep players around anywhere. The only reason KR does ok even with all the controversy is that they're the first to get new content.

One neat little thing with the TW reboot is that it appears to be fully Steam, meaning we can get an even better idea of player count than the GF servers could ever provide (since GF had launcher as well and that's not counted by Steam). Only 4 months in and TW is already down to ~28% of the peak:

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It's performing quite similar to the GF launch (but the all-time peak is actually lower than GF and that's only the numbers counted by steam). Uh oh.

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If there is not bankshare then this version is closing even before it open.

There is no proof that we will not have bankshare

Ya and sure, there isn't 'proof' but it's not unreasonable to think they're going to follow the same launch plan they did with TW last year, same code base etc, just different localization. But yes to be fair it is indeed speculation.

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The post was very short, so why to cut the only part that is inconvenient for you?

Why don't you talk with your friend and ask him to do a video with bankshare as the main topic?

If there is not bankshare then this version is closing even before it open.

There is no proof that we will not have bankshare and if you are so sure about it then i think you need worry about this , not about data transfer.

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if i remember right, by smilegate (KR) and hangames (JP) and are online from 2016 (JP) and 2017 (KR) and until today they are online and in good shape.

lmao 'online and in good shape'. you sound like the craigslist seller describing his dying car as 'runs and drives'. uhhh if you know their history both servers almost died at one point. kr/lg almost died a couple years ago n got lucky cuz of closers drama but also recently started running scams like the kent card and near impossible vs heroic farm causing lots of known players to trash their gear on stream. it was bad enough that lg fired some dude to try to calm the rage but there's no proof they intend to change. it's also literally common knowledge that jp is dead n may see a bump of players from the vs patch but it will be right back to obv dead in a few weeks. even after ephnel launched it was p dead so 'in good shape' is a joke and obvious you haven't played there recently (i have). in fact it's been a notorious zombie server and without even region lock for years now lmao. who knows why its still up prob just cuz lg doesn't wanna kill the 1st server. don't state things you don't know

Yes, i know about it. KR players got angry (don't remember the reason) at lg and massively leaved the game (this is what we should have done a year ago, but no, you all wanted to play so to leave the game for a week was not an option). This don't change the fact that KR version is now in good shape and have a good amount of players.

About JP version i know about the lack of players but that is all, do you know the reason why there is almost no players?

All i know is that they have a much faster update rate than GFSW so at least client-side they are ok and i don't know about a huge fuss about that version. Maybe Japanese people just don't like this type of games? I don't know for sure, i can't read japanese.

Yes, i know about the fired guy because LG gave a pubblic apology, they said that the guy got removed from his position and that they want to fix it.

So when they make a mistake they want to fix it, i don't see the problem.

Again, about JP version you just said that it is a dead server but there is a reason?

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That's only steam players, and there's games like Kurtzpel with less players and it's steam-only and still up.

The playerbase wasn't the sole problem, it was lack of updates, which is either Gameforge OR Liongames or both.

It's not about the numbers per se, like you said there are games that have way less players and are still on. The fast loss of players of may 2019 and june 2019 gave me a hint but i was not 100% sure.

After that we had a great increase in numbers at march and april caused by quarantine, someone said it was a good thing but for me it was not for a simple reason, if players have more free time to play soulworker then they become more aware of the problems of the game, to support my guess there are the following months where there was a massive loss of players. When the massive loss of players started hh was released, i logged in because i was not 100% sure of the outcome and farmed the gear, after that i leaved the game again and did a login one or two times a months to see how the playersbase was, like you said it was just steam users, so maybe it was just that, but the team search confirmed my guess and in october i lost all hope for this server and i was 99% sure that this server was going to close very soon.

About why this happened, like you said what i wrote above is only the result of the mismanagement of gameforge, and at last from liongames.

I think until november 2019 at liongames were doing their job for gameforge, but the release of chii heavily damaged the game.

It's easy to guess why gameforge wanted to release chii ASAP (outfits for the character with big boobs in the wheel=huge amount of money) and what i will say from now on it's just a wild guess.

After the release of chii we all know that the game was broken and it will just added at the work of liongames a heavy burden.

After that, the not so great relationship of LG and GF caused from the mismanagement and demanding of the latest just got worse and worse, that caused the lack of updates, when at the end of 2020 LG had enough and choose to get rid of gf and involved us in their mess.

So i think it's 80% GF's fault and 20% LG's fault.

I have just one thing to blame at LG.

They could have ended the contract in april 2020 and by now we would be playing in the new server and players would had not wasted a year of farming.

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This game was deleayed before the beta, they not need to what until 2020 or 2019 to get lack of updates

And how you know if is GF fault ?

They maybe try all they can to make the game good, or maybe not but you give not proof than GF fault or LG fault, no doc no file nothing

Everyone speculate here but giving no proof on who make this mess happend

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About this we will have to wait the new server.

If in the new server we will have updates then there is a high chance that it was GF's fault.

If we still lack updates then there is a high chance that it was LG's fault.

ATM we know just one thing. The KR version and JP version are not published by liongames, they are published, if i remember right, by smilegate (KR) and hangames (JP) and are online from 2016 (JP) and 2017 (KR) and until today they are online and in good shape.

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That's only steam players, and there's games like Kurtzpel with less players and it's steam-only and still up.

The playerbase wasn't the sole problem, it was lack of updates, which is either Gameforge OR Liongames or both.

It's not about the numbers per se, like you said there are games that have way less players and are still on. The fast loss of players of may 2019 and june 2019 gave me a hint but i was not 100% sure.

After that we had a great increase in numbers at march and april caused by quarantine, someone said it was a good thing but for me it was not for a simple reason, if players have more free time to play soulworker then they become more aware of the problems of the game, to support my guess there are the following months where there was a massive loss of players. When the massive loss of players started hh was released, i logged in because i was not 100% sure of the outcome and farmed the gear, after that i leaved the game again and did a login one or two times a months to see how the playersbase was, like you said it was just steam users, so maybe it was just that, but the team search confirmed my guess and in october i lost all hope for this server and i was 99% sure that this server was going to close very soon.

About why this happened, like you said what i wrote above is only the result of the mismanagement of gameforge, and at last from liongames.

I think until november 2019 at liongames were doing their job for gameforge, but the release of chii heavily damaged the game.

It's easy to guess why gameforge wanted to release chii ASAP (outfits for the character with big boobs in the wheel=huge amount of money) and what i will say from now on it's just a wild guess.

After the release of chii we all know that the game was broken and it will just added at the work of liongames a heavy burden.

After that, the not so great relationship of LG and GF caused from the mismanagement and demanding of the latest just got worse and worse, that caused the lack of updates, when at the end of 2020 LG had enough and choose to get rid of gf and involved us in their mess.

So i think it's 80% GF's fault and 20% LG's fault.

I have just one thing to blame at LG.

They could have ended the contract in april 2020 and by now we would be playing in the new server and players would had not wasted a year of farming.

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You know it will shut down but you keep playing it and now you cry about the time you spend on it

Again, people can do whatever they want with their free time.

I agree but these people, act shocked when the server shutdown make post on forum and cry about they data lost even when they know since 2019 this ver will fall any time soon

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dude this isnt even the point of this thread '-' did you skip all the posts about LG and their lame excuse to abandon west community and only target newbie whales? also why do you think people play the game convinced its gonna shut down tommorow? lame publisher or not, game was still fun
and if you struggled to understand previous posts, no one here seems to be shocked about these news especially after such long time without updates

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BTW good news! I talked to my content creator friend and he seems to like the idea. Suggested he'll do it in ES with EN subs. No timeline yet and I really don't want to put any pressure on him but he agrees we should have some videos to post on LG social media moving forward. Once we get the ball rolling should be able to get others to hop on board.

Yes, me and my friends are ready.

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And maybe you could have done this to save this version of the game, but you did not

You have no idea of my involvement outside of these forums (and any basic search of my post history within the forums will show how critical I've been of GF) so stop lying about this. Last time I'm going to correct you on this blatant lie.

And what is your involvement outside the forum? Link of a video talking bad about this version? Something else? All you did was complain, and when they gave you 3 updates at one month from each other then you licket their boots fast and clean. Just to see the announcement about the shutdown some months after.

Now that a company will give us updates, a good in game shop and listen to the community you want to destroy this. Good job.

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IF YOU GO TO CONTENT CREATORS AND TELL THEM TO LAUNCH SHIT ON LIONGAMES, THEN THE PLAYERS WILL LISTEN TO THEM, THEY WILL NOT PLAY AND THE GAME CAN'T HAVE A GOOD START WITH A LACK OF PLAYERS.

Maybe LG should have factored this into their decision process before announcing no data transfer?

And maybe you could have done this to save this version of the game, but you did not, now you want the role of the paladin, but you are just in rage mode because you will lose all of your stuff. And again, this is based on the assumption that liongames is at fault about the data transfer. If there is really something to keep them from doing it the game will just close like this just for the rage of few players. Good job.

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If this really go to content creators that listen to these guys then the new version will not have a great start.

You still have totally failed to explain how ONLY brooch and akasha transfer would ruin the launch. Again, there will be whales who acquire almost all of these things within the first few days so it will have little impact overall on the new player experience or launch as a whole.

Also thanks for admitting what you fear the most. Sounds like getting content creators involved may be the most effective way to proceed.

Just tell me HOW.

HOW CAN SOMEONE BE SO STUPID.

Why you can't understand your own language? I know my english is bad, but i think that part is easy to understand.

I will say it again so even a braindead can understand.

IF YOU GO TO CONTENT CREATORS AND TELL THEM TO LAUNCH SHIT ON LIONGAMES, THEN THE PLAYERS WILL LISTEN TO THEM, THEY WILL NOT PLAY AND THE GAME CAN'T HAVE A GOOD START WITH A LACK OF PLAYERS.

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And you told me you not take it personally

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Yeah, sorry, i really hate stupid people, especially when they don't understand what someone write clearly.

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If this really go to content creators that listen to these guys then the new version will not have a great start.

You still have totally failed to explain how ONLY brooch and akasha transfer would ruin the launch. Again, there will be whales who acquire almost all of these things within the first few days so it will have little impact overall on the new player experience or launch as a whole.

Also thanks for admitting what you fear the most. Sounds like getting content creators involved may be the most effective way to proceed.

Just tell me HOW.

HOW CAN SOMEONE BE SO STUPID.

Why you can't understand your own language? I know my english is bad, but i think that part is easy to understand.

I will say it again so even a braindead can understand.

IF YOU GO TO CONTENT CREATORS AND TELL THEM TO LAUNCH SHIT ON LIONGAMES, THEN THE PLAYERS WILL LISTEN TO THEM, THEY WILL NOT PLAY AND THE GAME CAN'T HAVE A GOOD START WITH A LACK OF PLAYERS.

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They are just 3 ppl angry about what they lose, we can argue them why we think they wrong but in any cas i dont think us or them have the power to make change.

If you take it seriously, and personaly ok but dont forget we are just player and is just a game and here is not the center of internet.

Maybe they have right maybe not but in case of they dont want to speak with argument, dont try to understand other point of view and make emotional post because they lose prog. Is over notting will grow from here

It's not about making emotional posts or not, i'm just concerned about this.

Because they do thing based on the assumption that liongames is lying about the eu regulation, but there is no proof from both sides.

If content creators launch shit on liongames and by chance it is true that they cant transfer data no matter what then the new version will lack a good amount of players, because youtubers have a huge influence on the players.

As now what whatkeita and the others want it's not only the data transfer, what they want is all or nothing. If they can't have the data transfer then they will bring the new version down just for their rage.

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Oh damn, you interupted me.

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I save you from taking this as an excuse to ban you and legitimate there lie

And i will make a new account, dude. I'll not let them free to ruin the new version. I really like this game.

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Good luck spamming once we take this campaign outside these forums.

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Yeah, thanks, sorry if i will not be here in these days, probably ban and recruiting people to keep an eye on youtube to do a mass report of every video from content creators that support your cause.

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Oh damn, you interupted me.

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I save you from taking this as an excuse to ban you and legitimate there lie

And i will make a new account, dude. I'll not let them free to ruin the new version. I really like this game.

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This is all they want, if you cant keep calm dont write that will not deserve you.

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Sadly it's useless to make valid arguments, they don't want to listen. If this really go to content creators that listen to these guys then the new version will not have a great start.

These days youtubers have more power than politicians, and the mob will do what they say with the brain turned off.

I'm perfectly calm, i just need to make his post to lose focus at least a bit. This is the only solution for now.

Where is my report?

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Oh damn, you interupted me.

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I save you from taking this as an excuse to ban you and legitimate there lie

And i will make a new account, dude. I'll not let them free to ruin the new version. I really like this game.

Oh damn, you interupted me.

Gimme my brush back

(yes, you told me i'm a clown for doing a valid argument, now you will have a clown because i'm just a little kit throwing a tantrum gnegne)