does the +80/+120 energy mean that you restore +80/+120 energy more per day?
so instead of 200, it goes up to 280/320/400 every 9am?
Yes, 400 with both silver & gold
Posts by darkbq
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are these account wide or player?
and no servers up?
Accound wide
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I thought VIP would be added faster, GF you're so slow.
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All of 8 items I upgraded in a row failed at least one time when trying to get it from +3 to +4, About upgrading to +5 and so on I just don't want to talk =\
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I'm using this build: https://swskillsim.leayal.tk/l…07=3&1010=1&1009=5&1011=3
Also I think that it is the best possible build atm.
Update: here is my chains
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Scythes for the life :з
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It looks like they just set prices in a stem region-specific manner. For example, I can buy a 60$ game for 25$ or even below because I live in Ukraine and steam store is cheap here.
However, this is more like buying 3/4ths of a game in another region for 40$ more. Even after exchanges are factored in.
My opinion is 50\50 because I can agree with regional prices - some countries have much lower life quality factor than others, and I can say that here in Ukraine minimum salary is around $160. Pppl will just no buy everything with world prices, so we have meager steam rates.
But at same time rates should be adjusted in countries like Canada.
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It looks like they just set prices in a stem region-specific manner. For example, I can buy a 60$ game for 25$ or even below because I live in Ukraine and steam store is cheap here.
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Display More1. "recommend" isn't "you should".
2. Oh, very interesting. I can paste a screenshot of every previous version of the post to prove that you're wrong.
3. As I said in the post: all of the conclusions are IMHO.
4. We're talking not about the possibility there, but about their existence at all. And there is the book for drop chance which is more 'p2w' that EXP book.
5. But this is not proving that prices are all good. If everything everywhere is overpriced, it doesn't become "all is good". It only shows that other games have problems with prices too.
6. I 'recommending' to do it because of JP publisher is more player oriented, and GF is more money grab oriented.
7. I said about ping, and not everyone has this issue.
8. Honestly, I don't want to speak with someone who tries to disregard me & my opinion by lying that post is changed much from yesterday.
1. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/recommend
Lets not mince words here, recommend is endorsing a particular choice or course of action. You are saying that playing the JP server is a course of action endorsed by you. If this is not what you meant, then your post is wrong.
2. No need, I don't really remember; whether you were recommending yesterday or you did or did not change the wording in the 6 times you edited the post doesn't change the fact you're suggesting we should give up on Gameforge and play hangame's Soulworker instead.
3. You said "Btw, this comparison was created to let players know about different approaches here and there. It's all my intentions." There were similar threads to this existing on the forum long before you posted; your intentions are unnecessary.
4. Exp books and drop chance are not p2w. They are pay to save time. A free player can hit the same level cap and get the same drops as a paying player; there is no unfairness there if someone pays real money out their pocket to make things easier, it just shows how much the game is worth to them.
5. Why should Gameforge sell stuff for less money than other games when they see them succeeding? Your point might be a good topic if addressing the future of f2p in mmos, but its completely irrelevant here. The real problem is how much less Soulcash NA gets for its money compared to EU, not the actual item Soulcash prices.
6. You are recommending players not in the JP region to find means outside the policies, to access a foreign server to play in a region that they technically are not allowed to be. The only reason IP blocks have been removed from JP is because they needed a player influx, or hangame wants to make money off foreigners.
7. You gave a one line comment about ping. You are making it seem like a pretty small point against all the other points you made supporting JP, but I am saying that its a pretty big deal period. For the people who do experience sizeable desync, its enough to make it a bigger issue than all your problems with Gameforge combined.
8. Yes, I disregard you completely. There's a saying that goes "the grass is always greener on the other side" that you represent perfectly. I really couldn't care less what you posted yesterday, the fact remains its my opinion that your opinion is full of shit. To each their own I suppose.
I agree that I should've written something like "Will be good if GF change some things like HG did" instead of just recommendation to play on JP server.
But mate, let's cut our vague before it's out of control.
Somewhere I'm wrong, somewhere you're wrong, somewhere we're both wrong. We have our own opinions, don't you think that we shouldn't try to change them just because we cant agreed?
Btw, maybe I've chosen the wrong way to practice English (my native languages are Ukrainian and Russian), and it's the reason why I wrote not wholly neutral topic & started a vague with you.
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Btw, this comparison was created to let players know about different approaches here and there. It's all my intentions. Players must understand that GF can change a lot of things, that publisher is not only doing a translation and that JP publisher is doing everything in a much better way.
QuotePlese, consider this topic as created for INFO purposes and all of the conclusions are IMHO.
Buddy, your original post and what you're saying now is pretty different.
If you liked the game, I recommend you to move to JP server.
Even that "recommended" is different from what the post was saying yesterday, lol.
You say the comparison is just to inform, but providing a recommendation automatically removes neutrality.
And that stuff like XP books? Way more priced shop? Nothing at all?
Exp books being sold don't matter, they are a shortcut. People hit 55 before cash shop even opened. Its possible without a single exp book if you really want it.
The cash shop is priced pretty on par with other f2p cash shop prices, except for hairstyles. There have been worse publishers like Nexon and Trion that cashgrab way harder.
You are "recommending" me to move to JP server because of more freebies and getting shit easier with less effort, which isn't gamebreaking nor does it ruin my core game experience. But you just casually disregard the actual major issue of ping, which DOES screw my experience more thoroughly than the nonsense you listed, because I can't even survive Bunker Bot's ass slam in JP since I dodged but the server didn't believe me.
While I think only a small number of your listed points even begin to have merit, you are definitely right to list it, if the purpose is to inform and to get Gameforge to do something about it. But telling us that we should abandon the western version and play the JP version makes your list seem less about information and more like you complaining about how Gameforge isn't coddling you the way Hangame does.
QuoteBut telling us that we should abandon the western version and play the JP version
"recommend" isn't "you should".
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Even that "recommended" is different from what the post was saying yesterday, lol.Oh, very interesting. I can paste a screenshot of every previous version of the post to prove that you're wrong.
Quotebut providing a recommendation automatically removes neutrality.
As I said in the post: all of the conclusions are IMHO.
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Exp books being sold don't matter, they are a shortcut. People hit 55 before cash shop even opened. Its possible without a single exp book if you really want it.We're talking not about the possibility there, but about their existence at all. And there is the book for drop chance which is more 'p2w' that EXP book.
QuoteThe cash shop is priced pretty on par with other f2p cash shop prices
But this is not proving that prices are all good. If everything everywhere is overpriced, it doesn't become "all is good". It only shows that other games have problems with prices too.
QuoteYou are "recommending" me to move to JP server because of more freebies and getting shit easier with less effort
I 'recommending' to do it because of JP publisher is more player oriented, and GF is more money grab oriented.
QuoteBut you just casually disregard the actual major issue of ping,
I said about ping, and not everyone has this issue.
Honestly, I don't want to speak with someone who tries to disregard me & my opinion by lying that post is changed much from yesterday.
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Display MoreShould not be drawing any comparisons? Seriously?
It's like
" - Hey, why that apple is more delicious than mine?
- Just shut up and eat this piece of shit, you shouldn't look at other apples at all.
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And that stuff like XP books? Way more priced shop? Nothing at all?
Don't you see the whole point of this comparison?
It's not just complaining "I wanna get more free stuff", it shows that we here threatened in a much worse way than JP players.
No one's telling you to "shut up and eat a piece of shit". But going along with your analogy, what you should be complaining about isn't "The other guy's apple is better than mine", you should be suggesting that "this apple is bad because it's been laying around for a while, can I get a better one?". Note that you're not going to ask for the other guy's apple. You're asking for a different one that's better than the one you currently have.
The key is to complain about our version without drawing comparisons to other servers.
- Can we get lower crafting costs? vs OMG JP HAS LOWER CRAFTING COSTS WTF
- Our cash shop is a bit expensive for certain items, a lot more people would buy hairstyles if they were cheaper. VS LOL P2W CASH SHOP OTHER SERVERS ARE CHEAPER.
Can you complain to GameForge? Absolutely, and you should. I will never defend high prices in a cash shop. Does that mean you should compare to other servers the entire time and sound like a whiny child while doing so? No. That won't get you anywhere.And since I know someone out there is gonna jump on this and say "but you compare to KR all the time!": All I've done is clear up the misconceptions regarding crafting costs, since people believe KR has JP's costs when they actually have the same ones we do. Similarly for the whole debacle around which server is the original one. That is all.
Btw, this comparison was created to let players know about different approaches here and there. It's all my intentions. Players must understand that GF can change a lot of things, that publisher is not only doing a translation and that JP publisher is doing everything in a much better way.
QuotePlese, consider this topic as created for INFO purposes and all of the conclusions are IMHO.
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You people aren't understanding some crucial lines of reasoning here.
First, the Gameforge version of this game should be treated as unique and standalone. We should not be drawing ANY comparisons to the other servers at all in that sense. However, if we insist upon doing so, saying things like "JP server has less crafting material requirements" can be equally countered by "KR version has more crafting requirements".
So then to justify your desire to follow the easier, more freebie distributing version of JP, you decide to refer to the success of the JP version over KR. But there is absolutely no evidence provided by anyone that the reason for KR not doing well is because of worse login rewards and higher crafting reqs. In fact, there is much more reasoning pointing to it being because SEGA is a piece of soggy garbage, and because of the lack of hype during KR release.
I have large stacks of inferior brooch transmitters and 3 superior brooches sitting in my inventory. They are being distributed for free even in our version through login rewards and quests. In the first place brooches are not a gamechanging feature, just a little something extra for the min-maxers.
Login rewards, crafting requirements for cosmetic items? These do not give whales an advantage over free players. If you guys wanna complain that you aren't getting as much free stuff as JP, then realize how entitled you sound. It sounds like kids crying cause their parents won't buy them the cool new game that their friends have.
Should not be drawing any comparisons? Seriously?
It's like
" - Hey, why that apple is more delicious than mine?
- Just shut up and eat this piece of shit, you shouldn't look at other apples at all.
"
And that stuff like XP books? Way more priced shop? Nothing at all?
Don't you see the whole point of this comparison?
It's not just complaining "I wanna get more free stuff", it shows that we here threatened in a much worse way than JP players.
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Do they got Brooch Puncher with real money or in game currency on the jp server? Just want to know, since I think brooches can boost your stats quite well. And having them only for money... well, doesn't that make them pay to win? Since you need 3 sockets on fashion to benefit of the bonus you get from ordering them.
Yes, it costs 100 JPY there (around $0.93).
Just found that login bonus counts separately for every character.
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Forgot to mention that there are no XP\Money books and so on in the premium shop on JP server.
But maybe with this maintenance that is going just now, they will be removed here too.
Added: Heh, nothing changed.
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How about we give a chance to this game? Let's wait for the OPEN BETA to be finished.. and see what happens.
I will be surprised & very happy if something will change in a better way.
The problem is that people just complain without actually giving suggestions, always comparing to other versions.
And thats why i wanna wait for the beta to be over, to see if something actually changes.Isn't a whole JP server is a suggestion?
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How about we give a chance to this game? Let's wait for the OPEN BETA to be finished.. and see what happens.
I will be surprised & very happy if something will change in a better way.
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But, OP, the question is, how many of the non-JP players can actually speak JP? Fortunately, this game doesn't really require strategy to kill bosses or coordination like BnS, WoW, etc. so you can go a long time, or forever, without saying a single word to another human being. But the point of MMORPGs is the social part, the human interaction, without which there's no point.
I can't be sure for 100% atm, but I think there is present some English speaking guilds.
But yeah, this is also '-' of playing on JP server.
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This is my opinion on your post and I think its kind of childish to say everyone move to japan servers.
If you want to play on there go ahead
This post was made just to let ppl know. Also, I don't say that everyone must move. It's just my recommendation that there is a better place to play IMHO.
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Hello!
I first started to play this game here on EN server at the time of OBT start. After premium shop release I got somehow disappointed and gone to try playing on JP server.
And here is my summary of JP server vs here.
Plese, consider this topic as created for INFO purposes and all of the conclusions are IMHO.
1. On JP server it's easier to level up. I just followed the quests and I'm already in the second town without any additional runs & have 15 lvl. When I played here, I made at less 4x Maniac pre-last section & 8x Maniac Best Showtime to leave the first town with 15 lvl.
2. On JP server the drop rates are better. This true for crafting material and the gear too. Also, bonus reward after instance which you unlocks with the key comes in more quantity.
3. On JP server you need 9x less crafting materials for crafting fashion (maybe another stuff too, haven't checked yet).
4. On JP server login bonus table is MUCH-MUCH better.
vs JP:
5. On JP server you have 3 resurrections per day for free.
6. On JP server you can store up to bonus 600 energy (here is 400). (not confirmed yet)
7. On JP server premium shop prices in near 8x less. (Gameforge WTF?). Also, the shop is built-in with preview, not just web-page.
8. There are no XP\Money books and so on in the premium shop on JP server.
9. Login bonus counts separately for every character on JP server.
The game version on JP is more up to date, but this isn't really a thing to mention here at the OBT phase.
The thing that is worse on JP is ping (it depends on your connection, but it can be unplayable for you).
As mentioned by someone, main chat language is JP, so this is also a "-" for some of us.
If you liked the game and don't like GF's approach, I recommend you to try playing to JP server.
UPDATE 2018.3.11:
Today I played on GF servers again.
1. GF increased drop for healing kits (and looks like by a lot).
2. At the moment online is WAY better on GF servers (can't say about endgame). You can sell & buy gear, AH for low-level stuff is pretty active as everyone is leveling.
3. You should be fortunate to find a player using auto team while leveling on JP.
4. Overall, GF EN server feels funnier to play because of many active players currently.
6. Ping, for me it doesn't really matter, caught a lag on JP server only a few times, but it entirely personal and depends on your location & ISP.
TL;DR: GF, please take some inspiration in JP server and make our experience better as your players, thanks.
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I started to play on JP server and you know what? More drop, much better login rewards, more XP for dungeons & quests (or less needed for lvl) AND... Bonus reward for dungeons (for which you need a key) is 3x time more in quantity! Btw, those keys is just a reward for quest too. Also there is no 100% bonus books in the shop.
