Posts by Geis

Quote from HoroHoro

Sorry bro but all i can see on your post is negativity. trezert you said you played 200 + hrs of this game? Im on 416hrs bro but every singel day i learn something new about the game. In different aspects. Don’t get me wrong bro my 1st 2weeks of this game is horrible 1st is the hype thing and suddenly all the changes, bugs, patch notes etc. and i reach to that moment that why should i even play and pay for this game now. But i stayed and give this game a chance. And now i don’t even regret staying on this game even so many people (esp on forums) that are so negative on this game. This game is not perfect it has own flaws. 1 simple rule bro don’t let the other people dictate of what you want and how you enjoy something. Peace!

Ok bro, i am not really sure why you are bringing stuff about other people being negative? I mean bro, no where in the OPs post did he mention his opinions being based on anything other then his own thoughts. Also bro of course the thread is gonna read as negative when he is listing out stuff that either didn't make sense to him design wise, or stuff he just didn't like about the way the UI works. I mean really bro.

trezert Your post was fine, if you decide to post this in the suggestions section my only recommendation would be to add what you would like to changed when it comes to the stuff you listed.

Quote from Silvery

Why would you level up every skill? I'm pretty sure there were tons of guides saying otherwise, and only using them on certain skills.

I really hate this way of thinking, guides were not always around and people should never HAVE to read a guide in order to understand that there is only a few good ways to set skills unless you buy a cash shop item.

Quote from Jayden

I play in borderless windowed mode and alt tab out of the game and am still connected hours later

When you alt tab in borderless does it minimize the window or just pull whatever you tab to up over the game. If it only pulls up what you tab to the front, the game most likely will still consider you as active and will only start the inactive timer when the game is minimized. The reason it is most prevalent in fullscreen is cause when you alt tab it will automatically minimize the game.

Yea gameforge made it confusing by making separate server for the EU languages. If you are on the (NA)Tenebris server you are on the correct one for North American players.

I am confused, are you trying to move fromt he NA server to the EU(EN) server or the other way around? Tenebris is the NA server for north america, and Candus is the EU server for the English speaking Europeans? Tenebris runs into a lot of technical issues which may make it feel slower but region wise it is the NA server.

Nitros How many times does it have to happen before you can no longer call it a mistake? Them not knowing what was in their patches happened twice now, will you keep calling it a mistake if it happens more? At some point you gotta just admit they need to do better when it comes understanding what they are giving us.

Quote from Riku

Yes they probably can spend more time to test and QA, but if we are not in their shoe we have no idea what they are doing. They might be busy preparing for next patch or doing localization on other patch and so on. If they wanted to test and QA, maybe it may delay the patch by another few weeks, who knows. Then you have the forum full of players complaining this game lack of content, no end game, and so on. When the game just released for 2-3months, people already capped out everything and start complaining. I am not protecting Gameforge, they could've done better and test it first before release and so on, but we wouldn't know what they have on their hand until we are in their shoe. They might have other thing on their hand that they have to take care of. At the end, doesn't matter what gameforge do, there are always players complain.

I don't feel like testing the things i stated would take weeks to do. I mean if they have a test server then just running a single raid would have shown obvious signs of changes they were not aware of. Then they could have asked lion games about it which in turn would have gotten them more information about raid changes including changes to the drops. Gameforge knowing about these changes and being able to tell us about them in patch notes would have alleviated a lot of the threads that popped up. Yes players will always complain but just showing they know what is going would make it that so a lot less people complain. Also they would not really have to delay anything, rolling out the patch and letting us know that they are aware of the changes (Drop rates) and are working to fix then would have been much better. But instead it took them like a week to acknowledge the drop rate changes and to say they will look into it.

I think you are missing the core issue here, and it has nothing to do with merging threads. It sounds more like you want to see more moderation in general and we as users have no control over that. The mods will moderate what they feel is necessary and honestly i don't think they need to get any stricter. You don't have to beat around the bush just come out and say it "The moderators need to do a better job." .

I disagree though, i hate overly moderated forums since they can end up stifling good discussions. As for chasing players off, you can not shield new players from the fact that the community is dissatisfied. Plus anyone who wants to actually try the game will try it regardless of what people say.

Quote from Lorient

Let's do some Akasha math!

alt farm nerf

Endgame Removal Update

Is soloing viable anymore?

Downloaded the game - Can I uninstall it again?

Any serious reason to play when you reach lvl 55?

It was not meant to be

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No, not all of those threads are on the same topic you are generalizing way to much. Out of all the threads you listed only one could have been merged with the alt farm thread for being the same. Honestly your post started out ok but now it just looks like you don't want to see people complaining about gameforge or the game.All ill say to that is get over it, general discussion is there for a reason so people can discuss all types of topics not just the good ones.

Let's do some Akasha math! - this thread was showing data on how much it takes to level up cards, the alt nerf just happened to bleed into it.

alt farm nerf - For the most part this acted as the master thread you wanted, it was the most used thread when it came to the discussion.

Endgame Removal Update - ill give you this one.

Is soloing viable anymore? - Someone asking a question, i'm not even sure why this on the list.

Downloaded the game - Can I uninstall it again? - Again didn't start solely about alt farming, but had discussion about it bleed into it that does not mean it should have been merged into the alt farm thread.

Any serious reason to play when you reach lvl 55? - this thread was made awhile back and has nothing to do with alt farming

It was not meant to be - a goodbye thread that was closed?

The only thing these threads have in common is that they had complaints in them.

Quote from Riku

I may be wrong, but didn't KR server got their revamp dungeon on april 2nd or like 2-3 weeks ago? So saying that we are getting parts of soulworker that were finished ages ago statement is not true for all cases. Yes, other content such as GC, Primal, outfit and so on, we are getting the old content. But i am pretty sure revamped dungeon is new in KR that's why Gameforge has no idea the changes of the loot. Well i can be wrong, I am kind of assuming base on KR stream that they got the revamped version few weeks ago.

Even if the revamped raids were new in KR it does not change anything, again lion games knows exactly what they are giving us. Gameforge gets everything well before implementing it, so they have time to QA/Test or get more information about the patch. I have said it in another thread i don't expect them to test everything, just the things that are considered major points of interest to the playerbase end game raids being one of them.

Quote from Riku

And gameforge listening to feedback and trying their best is something we should show some gratitude for. To be honest, if they follow KR patch, Alt farming will be completely removed, or if they follow JP patch, we can't even share bank inventory between alt. Yes, alt farming did got nerf and it's not as efficient as before anymore. But akasha is still farm-able. I spend money in this game, but let me tell u this. When alt farming can be deleted every day, I wouldn't even spend on akasha. I will just spend on Brooch, because it's better to farm akasha than buy it. So I think this nerf is more fair for players that actually spend. Well the nerf can be 3-4 days instead of 7 days, it can be better. But it can be worse as well, by follow KR or JP patch. Yes KR and JP got event and other way to obtain akasha, but probably still slower than our after nerf alt farm method. If alt farmed method didnt get nerf, they might as well removed akasha from cash shop. (that's just my opinion, not everyone goin to agree to this one)

I didn't really care that they changed alt farming, what i didn't like is that they were using the word exploit as an excuse for changing it. If they are unwilling to ban people for doing it, the it can not be considered an exploit. Also the akasha system is general is terrible, since it is locked behind a pay wall. The fact that they even give you cards just makes it worse since it is intended to make you want to buy more just a dirty business practice in general (thats all on lion games).

Quote from Clarice

That's exactly what Nitros wrote. He said, there where multiple informed discussions without flames about these topics and that those are probably what got the ball rolling instead of the "we're beeing ripped off mimimi"-kind of comments. We're not thinking Gameforge can do no wrong, farm from it in fact. However, if there's something to complain about, it needs to be done civilised without going "Gameforge sucks so much" as the first or second sentence in the post. Help them improve, don't trashtalk them into oblivion.

You are correct i misread nitros post, but some people still do what i said so i am not going to edit it.

They already try to do this, sorta. If you look far enough back you will see some threads with "merged" in the title. That is their way of keeping a "master thread", the only thing that would makes this work well or better is if they were willing to pin any "master threads" that were made then unpin them once the issues/topic is resolved.

Quote from Nitros

I am pretty sure that has nothing to do with it. The changes are directed at the too early implementation of the casual raid revamp. There was more then one decent discussion about that topic, providing actual data instead of just flame. If anything that proves "flaming" isn't necessary. Staying calm and providing information on the situation will achieve much more.

Also guys, release some bigger software yourself with a limited timespan before complaining about communicating. You will realize very fast that you can call is successful if no breaking bugs, as in crashing the game or make feature unavailable, occur.

If no one had brought up the issues (complaint or otherwise) with the revamped casual raids gameforge would have never looked into it or asked the devs to rectify the issues. You seem to forget that they had no idea we even got revamped raids until people brought it up, they also had no idea the drops and whatever else was changed till it was brought up.

You are clumping people flaming each other with legit complaints by the community. That is not how it works just because you and the others in this thread think gameforge can do no wrong does not mean that every complaints brought up are just to troll or flame. Also don't post in the general discussion section with the hopes of not getting idk a discussion going?

Also you keep bring up software development issues as if soulworker is still a work in progress, but its not at least not what we are getting. We are getting parts of soulworker that were finished ages ago lion games knows exactly what they are sending us and its gameforges job to understand what is being given to them, by either checking it themselves or asking lion games. You forget they don't get these patches the day they are adding them, they get them well in advanced so they can translate and localize them before releasing them.

Do i think gameforge was doing a horrible job before, yes. Do i think they are doing a little better now, sort of. Do i think they could do much better if they tried, absolutely. Why would you not want them to do better?

The only reason you are seeing better feedback is because of those "flames" that occurred last week. So really you should be thanking the people that spoke up instead of lying down and taking it. I can guarantee you if no one complained most of the things you are praising gameforge for would have most likely not have happened..

Also you can not put everything that has gone wrong on lion games, both companies are terrible at communicating with each other. This is obvious with how gameforge has no idea what is actually in their patches.

Quote from EnVysion

Also, the following was stated by a GM:

"The rewards that are given out to new users to help them get started in the game have been exploited. It is not intended that players farm them using the character deletion function. That’s the reason why we had to implement this measure. "

I'm not an english native, but it's stated pretty obvious: *The rewards... have been exploited* You can replace that with "The rewards have been abused". There is no statement here that recognizes an actual exploit which would sound like "We have found out that players have been getting unintended rewards using an exploit that we will fix in an upcoming patch".

But you guys just love to twist words, don't you ?

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There is no twisting words, that statement implies that creating new characters then deleting them to farm rewards as something unintended by the developer. That is an exploit period, doing something in a way that was not intended.

Can you really call it an exploit if they are not willing to ban you for it and if you can't call it an exploit there is nothing to abuse. Both companies are just using the word exploit as an excuse to change something that didn't need changing in order to force people into the cash shop. If the systems were more forgiving and player friendly they would not have this problem to begin with.

I am sure they already have a QA team, they are just terrible at their job or gameforge has them check very specific things. So it is not they need a QA team they need their QA team to do a better job. Also i brought up testing the patches they get in another thread and the response i got from some people was it is to much work or "do you expect them to test everything!?" etc.

Quote from SiyahaS

I will just add this to demonstrate the effect of this decision.

f2p & p2w

I spent more time then i care to admit playing with the graphs.....

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Quote from Geis

They are not cash shop specific items though, through the leveling process you are rewarded with these card which in turn makes them part of your progressing whether you like it or not.

You are simply wrong about this and that was stated pretty clearly.

Quote from Nyoka

Hello everyone,

The rewards that are given out to new users to help them get started in the game have been exploited. It is not intended that players farm them using the character deletion function. That’s the reason why we had to implement this measure.

Thank you for your understanding.

They are en extra for newer players to make starting game easier. By no means are they intended to be farmable and as such required.

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Are you really trying to tell me the akasha card system is ONLY for new players? You can not possibly be serious.

If you put a system into the game for the soul purpose of helping new players then there would be no reason to put them on the cash shop. Because as you said they are for NEW players ONLY, and are not meant to be used once in endgame. The fact that it takes so many cards, more then you would get from playing a single character to even upgrade cards proves that its a systems the developers want players to spend time with even after they are max level.

Quote from Tomoe

Korea hasn't even the Option of banksharing which we have.

I am pretty sure you are thinking of JP that does not have a shared bank. Our version is pretty much the KR version with some obvious broken stuff the bank not being one of them.

Quote from Nitros

JakunaErwin

Yeah, but then this is the problem. They shouldn't be needed. Feeling a difference is fine as long as it's reasonable doable. Being like "Congratulation for level 55, now farm you CS items via alt farming to progress!" isn't going to do the game any good either.

Relying on any source of CS item just should't exist. Those things are there to make the game easier for the paying people or just simply more enjoyable. They should not be part the normal progression.

They are not cash shop specific items though, through the leveling process you are rewarded with these card which in turn makes them part of your progressing whether you like it or not. The fact that they then make it a cash shop exclusive system once you have used up all avenues of acquiring them in game is just bad game design. It is inexcusable to add in a system only to paywall it, even if it isnt "needed" the system is still there and is meant to be used.

I like how when people make complaints about other stuff like fatigue and shit then you guys instantly tell them that devs put it in the game for a reason and the game is meant to be played with it in mind. Then when people start complaining about how a system is paywalled and they are unable to use it to its fullest extent you say that the system isnt needed and the problem should be ignored? Really?

I hope they ban anyone who does the alt farm after today, not cause i think its an exploit or anything just cause it would be funny. I mean technically now that they came out and said it is an exploit it should be a bannable offence, but lets get real they just wanted to make the game harder to F2P so people would spend more on the cash shop. Also i don't feel sorry for the CMs at all it is their job to pass along our dissatisfaction to the higher ups the more they have to hear about an issue the more likely they will pass it on to the people that matter.