Posts by Untilted

    Got any more of those exclamation marks? In exchange let's turn this into a prediction thread since I see this "how many people" question every time. I'd say the gain will be at ~-10%. Will see once event goes live.

    Fortunately KR finally got new ranks.
    Unfortunately, we're playing GF version. Hell maybe this is its final form seeing all these updates coming at us like a tsunami.

    Absolute baloney. Probably started with some troll that some newbies believed. I took mine for my Chii alt and I can tell you you can try to upgrade it to +9 just fine, it's no different from the one you'd get from AoV or crafting. Just know that the odds of +9 are about as high as your loyalty level gives you.

    says the guy with the 8th grader syndrome


    "...significantly and negatively impacting on the gaming experience of other users" man it sure is a good thing that nothing else comes to mind with these words, both from the community's behaviour and theirs, huh. Not a single thing. If anyone read that rant about the kick in the balls and that gameforge guy drinking coffee, the image in my head is now that of the "This is fine" meme.

    No, I don't know, because nobody objectively explained it to me. For me, Keita's example is lacking because it doesn't mention the 3rd party that profited billions from this whole situation. And it seems like the store actually did all that on their own, here it's more like they were ordered to put the prices like that. And your "example for breaking rules in general"? After you said "So your are saying" to me? You contradict yourself. But arguing about this is absurd and just strays off the topic. Real-life examples are best avoided.


    People were discussing about the ToS and they can't confirm it 100%. And this is one of those "experts in the comment section" situations. The hell do we know about it? Don't talk like it's a fact when it's not.



    But after all this, the real kick in the balls? The person at the core of this doesn't read any of this, doesn't hear about any of this, and couldn't care less about it. Instead of offering an official apology as is the superior's responsibility, he just sits at the table, drinks his coffee, looks at the decreasing numbers and just tells someone to do something about it. The Silver Round happens, and it's a happy ending for him.

    Neither of the two of us got banned at all. And the people who did follow that rule of yours? They got banned. So is the moral of the story to follow or not to follow, according to you?
    BuT If THeY goT BanNEd tHat MeAnS tHEy abUseD iT! You need to buy and sell it at least once to confirm whether it's an actual exploit or just a visual bug. And that need gets you banned. Still gonna argue for banning people who exploited the crap out of it, sure. But not once.


    Suzaku hi there Cathy Newman. Scratching your whole dubious logic of comparing it to stealing in real life, you seem to be completely ignoring what I said overall. It's more like somebody went to a shop that literally prints infinite money for anyone, then going to other shops and buying all their stuff. One. Person. Get it through your thick skull. On top of that, what gets that person screwed in the end is not the shops they bought stuff from (they keep all their money), not the government, but the shop that printed the money in the first place even though it said nothing in any contract or whatever about any consequences. And law? I'm not gonna discuss that until it's indisputably confirmed which exact part of the ToS was broken.


    And were it my decision, after rolling back I wouldn't have banned anyone, but if instead people who clearly abused it got banned temporarily, I could've lived with it.

    the "did you think you'd go unpunished" argument looks ridiculous to me.

    1. It's their mistake, and while people did have the choice not to abuse it, that's irrelevant because, again, just one person is enough to trash the market of the whole server.

    2. GAMEFORGE WENT UNPUNISHED. Again, and again, and again, so much time between the last update and this one, especially their statement that it's to ensure quality updates, and this farce happens. In a new item. It probably didn't take 10 minutes for the first person to notice it, they just didn't talk about it.

    3. After the market blew up and it was visible for everyone, how many people went "well the right thing to do here is ban everyone who exploited obviously"? I'd be surprised to see even one sheep who thought that would've solved the problem. So naturally everyone just assumed instant rollback and that there's no point in doing anything productive at the moment, so they just went and had fun with the infinite money.


    Anyone remember MU with that game's jewel buying and selling "exploit"? A lot of servers just kept it as intended behaviour and it was even specified in the server's info whether the "exploit" was there. What I'm getting at is the ToS is too vague to call this behaviour against it. Of course they wrote it not knowing what can happen, but this time is not that different from the past events we had. We just sold what we got to the market not an npc back then. Is that a clear borderline in their ToS? And when they just avoid clarifying it in their own replies, it's even more suspicious. Basically "we now think it's against the ToS, we didn't consider it back then, but what matters is not what we write, but what we think". Top of the line logic.

    And yeah, where is their punishment for this farce? What, is that massive banwave some kind of self-sacrifice? Or is it milking more money from players with that 1-week (coincidentally lowest ban period (and yes that actually does motivate more people to buy the thing)) wheel costume sale? Biggest screw up after the tf2 unusual bug, yeah I'd love to give you my money, motivating you to screw up more often.

    You know, a decent project, not even a game, literally could not have something like this happen. A decent developer puts rules on what can be added to the database, they would've specified that an item's sale price must be lower than (or equal to) its buy price. With a bug so massive that ONE person can get more dzenai than there is currently in the whole server? AND let that money flow freely, not bound to account nor nothing? Who in their right mind would not rollback that? After a month's delay?


    I almost got myself screwed over, too. Figuring rollback is definitely on its way, I thought I'd use the opportunity to get a nice sample for upgrade rates. Was saved by my own laziness. And surprisingly, not a single person in our guild got banned, yet we agree rollback's the solution here.

    Okay so we've all been thinking this is beyond impossible and dismissed it without even mentioning, but with them insisting so hard a rollback is impossible

    What if they actually, on the astronomical chance that it can happen, made the nth-dimensional chess move of not backing up the database? Gameforge instantly voted joke of the year

    hey vsauce, gf here: why didn't we rollback? Cuz players would lose 12 hours of progress lmao we can't have that, rather screw everyone over for however long the server lasts. It's unfair to the players, but did we ask the players? Not even once in the history of ever.