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Such a gamebreaking bug, literally unplayable now

p.s. are you kidding?

I would have to agree with you on that lol. "hey were already lvl 60 make sure you fix that shit so its harder to run this place 500 times to get from lvl 55 to 60" of course not really 500 times but you get the point lol. This to me is something that seeems to be intentional. They know damn good and well people would complain about it if it were harder to clear. Especially given the lack of energy points for free to play players without the elite status.

So not sure what the point of them fixing this even would be. Its already been exploited by anyone that was lvl 55 at the new content release. How do you plan to make it fair to the people who were not lvl 55 is my question for those speaking of the super armor issue? Seeing how there are several lvl 60's currently walking around who took advantage of the easy clearing of the districts due to this non existent super armor....that of which probably are most who are reporting it right now XD lol

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End enjoys to bait and troll on the forums, try not to take them too seriously

Trolling is a really bad idea in serious topics. Idm it in off-topic stuff but suggestions and feedback are important.

This is a serious topic? It cant be. Either that or people are illogical....."remove the loot boxes". Let me state i how any company not just GF would see it. "take away a chance for you to pay your bills because as a free to play game there is no sub fee". Not serious at all.

In over 15 years of online gaming I have never seen a loot box in a free to play game that was a "omg that was easy i totally saved money buying it!!!". It not ever designed to be that way. Plain and simple its gambling. Nothing more nothing less. If its a 100% win every time i would not be going to work tomorrow if gambling worked that way......

So no i cannot take the topic seriously not even a little. Because the very people that complain about spending 20 bucks in one month to buy some cash shop currency. Are the same people whom pay 60 bucks for 2 console games in one month. That has never made sense to me. People are okay with paying Xbox and PS 100's if not 1,000's a year but complain about free to play games. or games that have subs of 15 bucks a month......It defies all logic.

In the sense of people tolling about this topic I honestly could not fault them. The very topic its self is troll. Because im sure that GF would love it if everyone paid a sub. Hell they probably would nearly delete the whole cash shop in general, or at least make it like BDO. At the end of the day they have to make money some how. We all know there is nothing truly free in life not even life its self.

I would love it if they would make it more realistic with the drop rates in game. But saying that..... There really just is not enough content not even in KR for it to be handled this way. Its just not the type of game to where there is much else to do after you have the gear you need. The problem of this game does not hinge on cash shop and content alone. it has many issues.

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Why so? is a interesting read and we still didnt found a Lilly wich show us the real deal.

i think the OP questions is answered and the discussion is off topic and turning into personal attacks on individual players alrdy

your right. this really has turned into something silly. But thats normal in forums. The OP question was answered however everyone has diff opinions about why which is better. Several people told the OP what was most important. Not our gear or our bias towards the character we enjoy. The Op should play whats most fun for him/her/it lol j/k. This game is not that serious for it really to matter much. Nearly every class has its way of handling all the content in the game.

Again your right. Some of our egos did get carried away. (mine included) But at the same time the OP may actually gain something from it. People that care for a class will always fight hard for it and give it their all in explaining why "they feel" as they do. But ehh its all in fun i guess.

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Im wondering if there isnt a Lilly around wich actually knows what is talking about and can give us some tips on how to dps whit the character.

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1) A Lily with +8 and primary focus on crit% and crit dmg will deal so much less than a Haru with okay stats and a +6 weapon.

2) If you think Lily has no sf issues and Haru has sf issues then you're actually delusional, play as Lily for 10 minutes then come back. Enjoy your "perfect stats" and "season wins (totally not carried by haru btw)"

3) Also don't know why you're bragging, must be nice trying to act hardcore in a casual game. I had 10 puffles on club penguin "git gud".

1) Will ignore this kind of afirmations from now on to help my blood presure.

2) I know some stellas that would pump your ass pretty hard, actually imho stella is the best pvp character rigth now. (Jin BS doesnt count ofc)

3) I like to spend my bragging rigths when managed to success on my goals whit effort and skill. Dont mind it much.

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No your right lol stella can murder about anyone. Jin is awesome though XD. Im not sure wtf people are talking about with sf. There are options for dealing with sf issues with lilly. All of these people that say they have this and have that with lilly, and how pro they are and yet they dont know how to basically keep her always at 50% or more sf?

There is no need to argue about it here Lillys. Go watch youtube and see how the ones that really have all the correct set up are. Mine is crappy geared but one thing i knew for sure is i wanted akashas that return sf. That was common sense XD Lilly does have its weaknesses and no one is saying she don't. However shes not handicapped either. So if people consider you bragging then ehh who cares. I see alot of what your talking about honestly. Im just curious how they don"t and are so pro.

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Sorry sir but you lack experience.

the most aspd you get the more spamm cast you can make hiting 4+ times whit a single skill, is a twich skill advanced lily player use. Also more tornadoes per plastica.

Adamant hard counters everyone sir.

base hp means that any % hp stat or buff gives more, to the point of my haru having 100k+ hp easyly while lily sits on the 50k.

If you need any aclaration or reference feel free to reply.

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I don't feel that there are many people with as much experience on Lilly as I have.

And yeah, show me a single skill that hits more times thanks to attackspeed, other than Carnage, it won't.

How do you even have % hp buff, let alone 5000% base hp buff so that there is a 50k hp difference between the two classes. People don't even run % hp gear/cards. Even if they did, the difference between Haru and Lilly wouldn't be more than 3k hp.

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It depends.......the both of you have good points. However the haru player is more correct. You do need attack speed if your trying to spam BP. The hp diff i think he is speaking of is due to how most the endgame lilly is stating. We really dont get that much hp unless ....well your the god of rolls on gear. and even then its still going to come down to us stacking crit damage (which i think everyone does. Dont know i have not tried much other than lilly).

As far as SF reduct. only character i know that benefit from that is Iris because of her skill. CDR?....ehh the skills on lilly CD's are so long im not sure anything more that BP makes a diff. Not to mention if you did roll CDR which stat would you give up? I could be wrong however. So for me that leaves only attack speed, crit d., and hp if im lucky attack if im not. Its funny but the haru player is perfectly spot on with the hp. My lilly is exactly 50.4k XD lol Can i go higher? Sure but it would cost me XD.

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Look, m8.

You are a potato, never seen a gear in your life. What are you even talking about.

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You are a carrot good for leading a horse but disappointing in the end. At least a potato is filling ^_^. If you read what i said then you would know what im saying

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Sorry sir but you lack experience.

the most aspd you get the more spamm cast you can make hiting 4+ times whit a single skill, is a twich skill advanced lily player use. Also more tornadoes per plastica.

Adamant hard counters everyone sir.

base hp means that any % hp stat or buff gives more, to the point of my haru having 100k+ hp easyly while lily sits on the 50k.

If you need any aclaration or reference feel free to reply.

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I don't feel that there are many people with as much experience on Lilly as I have.

And yeah, show me a single skill that hits more times thanks to attackspeed, other than Carnage, it won't.

How do you even have % hp buff, let alone 5000% base hp buff so that there is a 50k hp difference between the two classes. People don't even run % hp gear/cards. Even if they did, the difference between Haru and Lilly wouldn't be more than 3k hp.

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It depends.......the both of you have good points. However the haru player is more correct. You do need attack speed if your trying to spam BP. The hp diff i think he is speaking of is due to how most the endgame lilly is stating. We really dont get that much hp unless ....well your the god of rolls on gear. and even then its still going to come down to us stacking crit damage (which i think everyone does. Dont know i have not tried much other than lilly).

As far as SF reduct. only character i know that benefit from that is Iris because of her skill. CDR?....ehh the skills on lilly CD's are so long im not sure anything more that BP makes a diff. Not to mention if you did roll CDR which stat would you give up? I could be wrong however. So for me that leaves only attack speed, crit d., and hp if im lucky attack if im not. Its funny but the haru player is perfectly spot on with the hp. My lilly is exactly 50.4k XD lol Can i go higher? Sure but it would cost me XD.

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regarding region restriction for sea players.... i think it's good but this may involve their contract with the respective publishers .... there;s also pro n cons but more player is of cos welcomed

Everyone should get the possibility to choose a own server. Region restriction doesn't exist anymore in general, just a few games keep using this for no reason.

its not about personal though's honestly. Its simply what the game publisher is allowed to have. If they say NA only thats your license than that is all you get. Its not anything more than that. At the end of the day this is business and there are laws. Not saying it to sound rude but its the truth.

By doing this games are able to tap in to other regions that have a higher dollar value and thus make more money. At the end of the day its just business. Not defending GF at all in no way shape or form just keeping it real.

I will say this. most people just burn GC to the ground that actually run it. its really a dps race. Dodging....is comical at best when a person is not very geared (ex not at 13k def and 50k hp and with a +8 or more weapon).All this talk of skill I have read is results in me laughing at best because any honest player will admit this game is not the best when it comes to evasive skills. Not to mention the ability to make nearly make your evades nearly unlimited XD. So no person thats not decently geared will not have an easy time with GC unless they are being carried.

And yes you are being carried with only a +6 weapon and less than 11k def. Your party members are seriously no joke if your running it in 15 min XD. Sure i can agree that a person does not need 50k and 13k def in gc to run it. However If everyone in your party is like that.....yea not recommended.

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You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

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Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

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my god! you used my Ferrari analogy!!! XD :-p. I can agree with alot of what you said though kinda. However if you have not tried out Jin then yeeeea. Ya gotta try it XD. Trust me playing Iris i find myself having Jin or Haru withdrawals lol you have to basically wait for mobs/bosses to walk in to some of the harder hitting skills. and you you cannot move!!! >.<. if the mob or boss moves while your casting you just flat out miss. Where as other classes can make sure they land the big powerful hitting skills.

Yes she is amazing in her own way just like all the classes. However I'm sure that she does not hit harder than Haru or Jin. So im not sure why people would be jelous of her. Hell I will say this as well. A geared Erwin is no joke either. But with Primal coming (the boss that dont move XD). She will do well....maybe. The the cds on her skills are just to damn long XD. (hard hitters that is)

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You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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I would have to disagree with some of what you said as far as the kr nerf goes to her. KR has nerfed not just her only. Not to mention. I can safely say haru would own her in dps. iris deals great damage to things that are either 1. not moving or 2 move slowly. As far as the def and hp being low. She has the lowest in the game. Not sure where youo get the thing that most people dont use hp stuff for gear. Because nearly every solo of any place most are at over 50 if not 60k hp.

To me i think she is about where she needs to be. However some of the skills are not as effective as they should be. Be it for the fact that you have to the stand in one place and use it (meaning you get beat up by mobs) or just some simply lacking in practicality. She seriously is not some class that you roll and will kill off everything without getting a scratch on you. Also to the best of my knowledge Jin, Haru, and Stella in KR are pretty much the fav. Iris is not even considered to be that good. Would rank erwin better IMO for a few reasons, but most people already know those im sure :-).

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

I can understand where you're coming from with the fluent playstyle like Haru, a lot of her skills kind of combo into each other whereas Iris sets down AoE and nukes. Haru is more mob killing combo style whereas Iris is more like "outta my face or I nuke you" char

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That nuke has a hell of a CD and yes Haru can simply one shot mobs and the cast time is no where near as long as iris lol Haru is very very strong. Not to mention is not exactly a scrub by any means when it comes to single target dps either. Iris has a lot more flaws than you are giving her credit for.

I cannot count the time that a mob and bosses has moved out of the way of her "nukes" just because they are taking so long to cast XD. Its like i can hear the mob and bosses going "ummmm ya know its not a good idea to stand here...hmmm I think im going to move now" XD She is like a Goku from DBZ only bad thing is most mobs and bosses dont stand there and wait for my kamihamiha XD Which brings up a lot of questions about that show. but thats another topic XD lol

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First i said % HP stat, most gears ppl will get Flat HP is better than % HP, except for Haru and Jin % HP stat is benefit them a lot more. Second you can go ask any KR streamer, they can tell you reason Haru and Jin was play so much because those two class chain combo is just very fluent and nice. KR don't really care op or not op, they play the class they enjoy. And U think Boss that move quick Iris not going to do better than any other class. You can go test it out with wearing level 30gears or 40 gears and go to any raid solo and see which class has the quickest time and easiest time. Iris is a lot stronger than you you don't give credit to. And korean nerf her, and didnt really nerf other class, instead Haru got buff, Erwin Bulls eyes is the only other class that got changes, because his advancement passive came out that give him more armor break %, so they balance the bull eyes by decrease the armor break % and increase the dmg %, i saw that patch note before. And Lily got revamped and got a buff. A lot of the class is getting buff, except for iris. and she got nerf once, and they probably think she is at balance point now. but she definitely stronger than all other class for sure. Well which it's expected, since she is supposed to be dps, but lack of defensive stat. Her defensive stat already the lowest, if her dps is lower than other class, then she became the weakest class and will probably get buff. So iris is the highest dps class, to me it's normal.

And you can check on KR end game, even iris has 70-80k+hp, while other class has 75-87k except for jin. at end game Base hp doesnt effect much on ur hp that much anymore, unless you are using % HP stat. Or stat bonus that give 25% hp, will give haru and jin few more thousands HP than iris. But at the end, Perfect aurith gears My friend Iris has 50k hp, my haru has 55khp. Most of the time the it's the % HP stat that influence iris stat. And that 5k differences is from the 25% set bonus if i am not wrong aurith give 25% hp.

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Ummmm i once again cannot agree with you on this. DPS in KR is more driven then here. Keep in mind for the last nearly 10 years all i have played is KR mmos. When ever anything that comes out has more dps they reroll in most cases. So that i can say for sure its not true. The goal is fast and efficient farming. They have mastered that IMO. When a whole guild can have full +9 gear. im sorry thats not just playing what you enjoy. They are farming none stop. So I cannot agree with you on that "they play what they enjoy" thing. Considering when you go look at youtube its mainly the same classes over and over again doing solos of endgame content. Iris not in this life time or the next will not out dps haru. I love her but i can be flat out honest.

Also Iris does get buffs at lvl 60 so not sure where you said she gets none. They fix a couple of the skills in which i mentioned in my previous post. Some of the skills just were absolutely awful and lacked utility in any form. Be it mobs or on a boss. Also your failing to mention the cd's on these "nukes" as well as immobility of these skills. Or how often monsters just move out the way and you hit nothing. Granted all classes in some way have that. However i think Iris suffers badly.

A fun watch for you would be Erwin soloing Primal at lvl 55 on youtube. I cannot see iris doing it. the dps diff is real. Dont missunderstand me. I do get where your coming from. "iris hits hard" (which umm Jin hits ...yea. seriously would question who hits hard of the two. and his nuke is a hell of a lot better as far as catching a walking boss because of its wide area). However i dont think she is the top dps. same gear i rane a few districts solo since your previous message. Just compairing my Jin and Iris. Can honestly say Jin killed everything faster and took less damage at that. But that might just be I'm better with Jin than iris. Trust me im no pro thats for sure haha

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Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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Isn't testing it on D6 boss sort of unfair tho?
Y'know consider a lot of Iris' kit requires you to get the full DoT off to get max dmg which is easy to get on static bosses like primal and D6 boss.
Yeah, I'll admit, shes strong, she is purely DPS focussed. But these guys are blatantly exaggerating, surely you can see that

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Well to be honest, this game only boss and elite gives people trouble. Small mobs people dont really care much. But just that doesn't matter primal or not, D6 boss or not. Even clearing small mobs, Iris clear it as quick as Haru. That u can test it too, wear a level 30 weapon and go to Ark ship with all different class, u can see iris goin to be the quickest. That's why for others, they see it as she is op. To me, i don't like her, her skill doesnt feel fluid like haru, yes she is strong and so on, but if she is not fun why play her? just because she is op? It's normal, everyone is jealous when other class is op, haru is one of the strongest or the strongest class bfore iris released. but once advancement out, Erwin will be very strong, then looking at iris advancement she is very strong too. And lily is also become very strong when advancement and revamped.

(this is for people that complain she is op)

At the end, i just feel like people should play the class they enjoy most and not who is op. If u jealous Iris is op, then go play iris. But if u dont like her playstyle and she is op, and u dont wanna play her. Dont be jealous and envy that Iris do so much dmg and wanted her to get nerf. This is like saying, you saw ppl drive Ferrari and it's very fast and have good horse power, and u like ur toyota better because it's cheaper and has good durability, you can't just go and complain that Ferrari is op and so on. and want government to remove Ferrari or to make government put toyota engine into Ferrari. Yes if the government decided that the horse power is too much and not safe for the community they can decrease it. Which is what we call in game nerf it.

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I can understand where you're coming from with the fluent playstyle like Haru, a lot of her skills kind of combo into each other whereas Iris sets down AoE and nukes. Haru is more mob killing combo style whereas Iris is more like "outta my face or I nuke you" char

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That nuke has a hell of a CD and yes Haru can simply one shot mobs and the cast time is no where near as long as iris lol Haru is very very strong. Not to mention is not exactly a scrub by any means when it comes to single target dps either. Iris has a lot more flaws than you are giving her credit for.

I cannot count the time that a mob and bosses has moved out of the way of her "nukes" just because they are taking so long to cast XD. Its like i can hear the mob and bosses going "ummmm ya know its not a good idea to stand here...hmmm I think im going to move now" XD She is like a Goku from DBZ only bad thing is most mobs and bosses dont stand there and wait for my kamihamiha XD Which brings up a lot of questions about that show. but thats another topic XD lol

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I think you only need to see how many fresh LVL 55 iris are on the d6 leaderboard to tell you she's op

Never seen 'Fresh' Lvl 55 Iris' hit top 10, either you're lying or they're already experienced players who whaled gear to use on Iris when they hit 55.
Then again you seem to lack evidence once again so not surprised

You expect people commenting on a forum to have a range of screenshots ready to present as evidence? Give me a break. How about just take people's word for it. They are fresh LVL 55s because they literally rerolled in my guild.

If you want me to give you some actual non evidence logic how about this one: maybe you're just bad at iris which is why you're struggling to believe how she could be op.

Bad Iris? Lmao I've been in top 10 as well. Taking peoples word for it is moronic. Her stats are practically similar to every other character. A more offensive glass cannon type character. It's not like her abilities have 2000% more damage than every other character. If anything you're probably bad at your character if you have to push the blame onto "Iris being OP".
If you can't even give the slightest piece of evidence towards a fresh 55 hitting top 10 then why the hell would I take your word for it. Saying a fresh 55 hit top 10 is nothing more than an exaggeration to prove your point.

Also you seem to be forgetting Iris has a ton of AoE capability, right? So comparing all other characters to Iris in static bosses isn't necessarily unfair, but you're placing Iris in the optimal position to do the most dps she can.

I too have been in top 10 but thats because all the people who reach top 10 are well equipped and most run adamant to prevent D6 boss knockback.
The fact you're trying to tell me a fresh 55 who:

Probably doesn't have the best weapon

Most likely doesn't have decent gear

Possible doesn't even have gear or ring sets

Is completely absurd. The other point which you supposedly completely avoiding is that the dude was an experienced player from another character who whaled to put good gear on his Iris. But I'm not surprised you avoided that point because its most likely true.
I had gear prepared for my Iris for months so the second I hit 55 I could place good stuff on it. So wow, Im a fresh 55 with full aurith by your logic I guess

Honestly I'd rather get my opinions on a characters placement from experienced players from KR and JP than just some random on the forums who just randomly came in, said something and can't give the slightest piece of evidence to his claim.

Hopefully you'll chose to give a slight backing to your claim if you chose to respond and not some weak insult like "you're bad"

Considering I'm pretty sure in KR and JP she hasn't gotten nerfed, I think you might just be crying false tears in an attempt to wind someone up

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Well you can go ask KR people, Iris got nerf first week after it released, because she is too strong. As of right now, she is not as op as she is when she is first released. But still pretty strong, comparison to all other class she has the highest dps because of her skill kits. U can use same gears full aurith set for all other class that is 55. You can obviously see that Iris dmg is a lot higher than other class, u can test it yourself. Iris even right now in KR is consider stronger than all other class, she is good at mobbing while also do the highest dps on boss. Like compare to other class, Erwin is strong at bossing but bad at mobbing. Haru is strong at mobbing, but not that strong at single target. Stella has a lot aoe and can heal, but mediocre dps, Jin is offensive support and do decent dmg have quite high burst if able to counter. So reason people consider iris as op, because her weakness is almost non existence, low base hp and def? when end game if u +9, it doesnt matter if ur base hp or base def is low. Since most class dont use %hp stuff that much, except for jin and haru can use %hp.

Yes you can just say iris is strong, and not op but in other ppl eyes it's consider as op. But if u try use Full aurith set on iris and buy a cheap D6 weapon +6 it for ur iris and other class and tested it. i can guarantee u that Iris will do the highest dmg out of all ur other class in comparison with similar gears. Like i said, everyone definition of OP is different, to you she is strong not op, to others it's not simply strong, she is op.

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I would have to disagree with some of what you said as far as the kr nerf goes to her. KR has nerfed not just her only. Not to mention. I can safely say haru would own her in dps. iris deals great damage to things that are either 1. not moving or 2 move slowly. As far as the def and hp being low. She has the lowest in the game. Not sure where youo get the thing that most people dont use hp stuff for gear. Because nearly every solo of any place most are at over 50 if not 60k hp.

To me i think she is about where she needs to be. However some of the skills are not as effective as they should be. Be it for the fact that you have to the stand in one place and use it (meaning you get beat up by mobs) or just some simply lacking in practicality. She seriously is not some class that you roll and will kill off everything without getting a scratch on you. Also to the best of my knowledge Jin, Haru, and Stella in KR are pretty much the fav. Iris is not even considered to be that good. Would rank erwin better IMO for a few reasons, but most people already know those im sure :-).

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Every character is strong in their own aspects. They all shine in their own ways. Iris has nice CC and good damage but has the lowest Base HP and Defense out of all the characters (and slow base attack speed and slow combo wind up). She's a glass cannon and unlike gameforge, Lion Games actually tells people when they make stat changes to characters so yes, their gear is most likely trash

edit: A lot of KR players say Iris is bad and somewhat inconsistent as well. She isn't considered the best character by a long shot
Also don't misuse the term OP

Bla Bla Bla... She is still OP in MY opinion. Deal with it.

Wasn't even that long to read.
Also she is STRONG in your opinion, Overpowered would be to a level where she is broken and completely outshines every other character, which is obviously incorrect

Have you actually played her to her current end game extent? or is this saying "I cant kill it but that person can, hurr durr OP"?

If you cannot even clarify that then I'm sorry but your opinion is poorly structured and most likely judged by videos of Iris solo running stuff with godly tier Primal gear...

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my my you said it nicely haha. I never can do that!!! >.<. Yea i agree with you on the iris thing. I dont think she is weak by any means. However im not foolish enough to think she is op either haha. Those solo vids do look nice. However playing her i can certainly say. that is some nice gear those people have XD. Slap a +8 weapon on her and some nice stated gear. Hell yea she can solo hard core. Wait......so can ever other class tho and a hell of a lot better i might add

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Trust me shes fun with my +9 Aurith Fury x)
and yeah pretty much every other class can solo just as well if not better than Iris

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nice!!! yea i have a long way to go before i can even think about +7 not to mention +9 haha. Thats super awesome that you got to +9!!!

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And the massive slam she did from the air was also struggling to kill and I doubt it's damage is that trash, my best bet is the gear they're using to showcase the changes are trash. After all the weapon is a weapon skin so we don't know what they're actually using

I don't think she has a trash weapon but maybe... or maybe she got nerfed. Nothing that she doesn't deserve, she is a bit OP at the moment in my opinion.

Every character is strong in their own aspects. They all shine in their own ways. Iris has nice CC and good damage but has the lowest Base HP and Defense out of all the characters (and slow base attack speed and slow combo wind up). She's a glass cannon and unlike gameforge, Lion Games actually tells people when they make stat changes to characters so yes, their gear is most likely trash

edit: A lot of KR players say Iris is bad and somewhat inconsistent as well. She isn't considered the best character by a long shot
Also don't misuse the term OP

Bla Bla Bla... She is still OP in MY opinion. Deal with it.

Wasn't even that long to read.
Also she is STRONG in your opinion, Overpowered would be to a level where she is broken and completely outshines every other character, which is obviously incorrect

Have you actually played her to her current end game extent? or is this saying "I cant kill it but that person can, hurr durr OP"?

If you cannot even clarify that then I'm sorry but your opinion is poorly structured and most likely judged by videos of Iris solo running stuff with godly tier Primal gear...

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my my you said it nicely haha. I never can do that!!! >.<. Yea i agree with you on the iris thing. I dont think she is weak by any means. However im not foolish enough to think she is op either haha. Those solo vids do look nice. However playing her i can certainly say. that is some nice gear those people have XD. Slap a +8 weapon on her and some nice stated gear. Hell yea she can solo hard core. Wait......so can ever other class tho and a hell of a lot better i might add

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Honestly i just want the content they have in KR iris dont seem to exciting to me. (not pissing on the parade of Iris fans XD) Although....Jin has turned out a little op and im enjoying it as an alt XD. So hell who knows maybe Iris will be even more so OP...I dont think so but ehh we shall see.

Dont worry the patch is coming and honestly I have to give GF credit because alot of what they seem to be spending time on is making sure the game is running instead of just dumping content on us. Content is great but if the game cant function correctly I see it as fairly useless. IMO hopefully GF keep working on the base of the game first and worry about content later as they are doing. Granted there are still problems but at least they acknowledge it and try to work on it.

All characters are strong, the weakest dps wise though is definitely Stella. Stella excluded Jin was seen as the weakest for a while so I wouldn't missuse the term OP.
Well the whole thing about gameforge not dumping content on us, they've recently been doing 2 outfits per week... if thats not dumping useless content idk what is.
If they were making actual improvements to performance maybe I'd appreciate their efforts more. but with a 1080ti and 32GB ram and still hitting 30-40 on Gronco?
Kinda rediculous, especially considering we had a damn update to change titles from Adjective and Noun to 2 nouns... extremely pointless

Stella is a healer .....and Jin hits like haru....so not sure what your saying. Infact he's better than Haru. more hp more def. and still has the damage to back it up. So not sure where your coming from on that.

no clue what your saying about the ram issue either i only have 16gb and still can pull 50 fps maxed...the funny thing is im on a laptop. but now about the update with the nouns change....im 100% with you wtf lol XD that was like why? lol hahaha but heeey gotta be grammatically correct i guess lmfao

Honestly i just want the content they have in KR iris dont seem to exciting to me. (not pissing on the parade of Iris fans XD) Although....Jin has turned out a little op and im enjoying it as an alt XD. So hell who knows maybe Iris will be even more so OP...I dont think so but ehh we shall see.

Dont worry the patch is coming and honestly I have to give GF credit because alot of what they seem to be spending time on is making sure the game is running instead of just dumping content on us. Content is great but if the game cant function correctly I see it as fairly useless. IMO hopefully GF keep working on the base of the game first and worry about content later as they are doing. Granted there are still problems but at least they acknowledge it and try to work on it.

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I hope this is the only time they attempt this stunt, but I highly doubt it. Once it start it gets worse, muhahahaaa.

you seem familiar with the GF experience XD

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Hiiii my friend ;3

good to see ya still alive! so what do you think of this topic? lol kinda funny right. considering the price for energy converters lol 500mil XD hell yea get 10 WUC for that lol

Yea, i only can get BP from Steel Grave and wait, its one way to get the energy converters cause i cant pay 500 millions XD. And im fine bro! i want play with you c: <33

your good! sorry i would love to play with you my house is just having some issues. Big changes right now. once all is stable i can sit with you for a while and play to your hearts content. So please forgive my absence for a while.

No problem!!! i can wait you all time u need, ;3 we will play together soon

for sure! after im done with this project i will be able to gladly! Its a collaboration between my father and i companies. first in 15 years lol So its been interesting.

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I would like to buy a costume but it is very expensive

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Hiiii my friend ;3

good to see ya still alive! so what do you think of this topic? lol kinda funny right. considering the price for energy converters lol 500mil XD hell yea get 10 WUC for that lol

Yea, i only can get BP from Steel Grave and wait, its one way to get the energy converters cause i cant pay 500 millions XD. And im fine bro! i want play with you c: <33

your good! sorry i would love to play with you my house is just having some issues. Big changes right now. once all is stable i can sit with you for a while and play to your hearts content. So please forgive my absence for a while.

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its not a drop rate issue honestly. If your on NA people just seriously are consuming them that fast. How do i know? i sell them and people dont want to farm and they dont want to wait. If your doing raids great for ya but its not the best place for WUC. Everyone hoping to get that EC from a cube and make 500 mil. But ya know honestly if you all dont run the regular content your doing more harm than good.

i have so many friends that will not do the normal stuff only raids just to get EC and thats fucked up in many ways. Because thats really where the WUC shortage is coming from. The people i know only will do raids and if there is not any going on they log out.....waste of energy and helps no one. Rock ya one of them to though. You only wanna run raids. Your my friend and all but you all so shooting yourself in the foot by how you play.

Do you by chance know the most optimal place for farming WUC then? I tried running ark ship for 12 hours straight during an EP reduced weekend and the only thing I managed to get were 3 WUC. 2 from Suzie and 1 from dismantling a weapon.

wrong place. hmmm if you make alts you will know this. there are 1. a few quest for the (not much) but if you make an op alt and do some of the lower lvl places solo you will be amazed at what you find. dont focus on ep4 only 1-3. you will see what im talking about. then please comment again. So that these people saying WUC is not reasonable will look like asses XD